Rip-off artists

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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> That sums up the entire industry. The prices aren't coming down. The
> prices have remained the same for the past six months. They pay cheap
> laborers in Asia a few cents an hour to manufacture this hardware, and
> then turn around and make a 1000% profit. I'd love to see this turned
> on them. (e.g. mass produced hardware flood the market via Asia) One
> look at the prices they're charging for video cards is all you need to
> realize this.
>

What about R&D?
If we follow your logic all semi-conductor products should be free becuase
the raw material is "sand".

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"Ben Pope" <ben_popeREMOVE_ME@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> John Russell wrote:
>> What about R&D?
>> If we follow your logic all semi-conductor products should be free
>> becuase the raw material is "sand".
>
> Exactly. It's like saying that software should be free, 'cos you can get
> it online using electrons that are recyclable.

That's right. The manufacturing cost of software is naff all, the price of a
cd! What your paying for is a "share" of the interlectual effort required to
"design" the software.

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"aether" wrote:
> That sums up the entire industry. The prices aren't coming down. The
> prices have remained the same for the past six months. They pay cheap
> laborers in Asia a few cents an hour to manufacture this hardware, and
> then turn around and make a 1000% profit. I'd love to see this turned
> on them. (e.g. mass produced hardware flood the market via Asia) One
> look at the prices they're charging for video cards is all you need to
> realize this.

Okay, comrade.

Jon

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aether wrote:

> That sums up the entire industry. The prices aren't coming down. The
> prices have remained the same for the past six months. They pay cheap
> laborers in Asia a few cents an hour to manufacture this hardware, and
> then turn around and make a 1000% profit. I'd love to see this turned
> on them. (e.g. mass produced hardware flood the market via Asia) One
> look at the prices they're charging for video cards is all you need to
> realize this.

Fab plants start at $1 billion.
$50 Graphics cards are faster than supercomputers of 20 years ago.

If you dont like capitalism move to North Korea.

gtoomey

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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message...
>A top-flight video card will cost you nearly $1,000. If that's not a form
> of larceny, what is?

If you don't want to pay that amount of money, there are plenty of cheaper
products. If you want to live on the bleeding edge, and have the absolute
fastest, you will have to pay top dollar for it. That's market forces.

> For a video card that will be obsolete in less than three, perhaps
> two, years.

The video card market is only turning over at the rate it is because there
are plenty of gamers and benchmark wankers out there prepared to pay for the
latest and greatest. If you don't want to pay, nobody's forcing you.

> The reason for this, mostly, is shareholders and the stock market.

No, it's primarily because of customers.

> They must increase their profit every quarter to please them. This
> results in overpricing.

....but if they price the products out of the market, nobody buys the
merchandise, no profits, and no stock value.

> (e.g. theft)

Rofl, get a life. It's hardly theft if the buyer willingly hands over the
money. It's a transaction is what it is, and if there are people willing to
pay that sort of money for a graphics card, there's no reason why companies
shouldn't satisfy that demand.
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aether wrote:

> A top-flight video card will cost you nearly $1,000.

You can get an nVidia 6800 Ultra for about $500. Where do you come up with
$1000? Are you talking about a professionaly level GL card? That has
nothing to do with home based PC's.


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aether wrote:

> It's bound to happen, anyway. Massive importation via Asia countries
> will bring down the prices, eventually. PC prices, the price of
> components, memory, etc.. are not falling. They are at a standstill, or
> increasing. A top-flight video card will cost you nearly $1,000. If
> that's not a form of larceny, what is? For a video card that will be
> obsolete in less than three, perhaps two, years.
>
> The reason for this, mostly, is shareholders and the stock market. They
> must increase their profit every quarter to please them. This results
> in overpricing. (e.g. theft)
>

Then why don't you start a company selling 'cheap' computers and, since
everyone will beat a path to your door, get rich?

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"aether" wrote

> >>>No, it's primarily because of customers.<<<
>
> There's collusion within the industry, on all fronts. There's a market
> for the product, and the collusion is to take in as much profit as
> possible in order to increase earnings and please the shareholders.

You mean the computer industry isn't run by the Salvation Army as a charity?

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is some big bad meany forcing you to buy or is it just your tiny little ego
driving you(pun) to have the fastest mostest on the block?
BTW the board wasobsolescent last week.

"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> It's bound to happen, anyway. Massive importation via Asia countries
> will bring down the prices, eventually. PC prices, the price of
> components, memory, etc.. are not falling. They are at a standstill, or
> increasing. A top-flight video card will cost you nearly $1,000. If
> that's not a form of larceny, what is? For a video card that will be
> obsolete in less than three, perhaps two, years.
>
> The reason for this, mostly, is shareholders and the stock market. They
> must increase their profit every quarter to please them. This results
> in overpricing. (e.g. theft)
>

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you mean like Dell?
"David Maynard" <nospam@private.net> wrote in message
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> aether wrote:
>
> > It's bound to happen, anyway. Massive importation via Asia countries
> > will bring down the prices, eventually. PC prices, the price of
> > components, memory, etc.. are not falling. They are at a standstill, or
> > increasing. A top-flight video card will cost you nearly $1,000. If
> > that's not a form of larceny, what is? For a video card that will be
> > obsolete in less than three, perhaps two, years.
> >
> > The reason for this, mostly, is shareholders and the stock market. They
> > must increase their profit every quarter to please them. This results
> > in overpricing. (e.g. theft)
> >
>
> Then why don't you start a company selling 'cheap' computers and, since
> everyone will beat a path to your door, get rich?
>

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DaveL wrote:
> Screw you, commie. You don't like the price then don't buy it.
>
> DaveL
>
Troll Alert
PLONK!!

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aether wrote:

> It's absolutely amazing. There are people defending these prices. Their
> only defense is, lame attempts at insulting, or "don't buy it." There
> are still 128 MB Radeon 9800 cards being sold for over $250 dollars. An
> amazing $100 dollar drop from their average release date price, over
> two years ago. I need not mention the price of memory, which is almost
> comical. Unless you want the cheapest memory available, and little of
> it, be prepared to spend at least $300 on memory. I'd love to see this
> monopoly destroyed somehow. C'mon, Chinese! Start your own companies
> and flood the market! You're already making all the products.
>

No one is defending a particular price. They're simply pointing out your
lack of understanding about markets.

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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 18:16:39 -0800, aether wrote:

> It's absolutely amazing. There are people defending these prices. Their
> only defense is, lame attempts at insulting, or "don't buy it." There
> are still 128 MB Radeon 9800 cards being sold for over $250 dollars. An
> amazing $100 dollar drop from their average release date price, over
> two years ago. I need not mention the price of memory, which is almost
> comical. Unless you want the cheapest memory available, and little of
> it, be prepared to spend at least $300 on memory. I'd love to see this
> monopoly destroyed somehow. C'mon, Chinese! Start your own companies
> and flood the market! You're already making all the products.

it's clear from your postings (prior and this one) that you don't
understand a free market and how prices are set. Since there is nothing
you as an individual consumer can do you have little in the way of options
- your whining here does not impact the situation you whine about.


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aether wrote:
>>>>No one is defending a particular price. They're simply pointing out
>
> your
> lack of understanding about markets.<<<
>
> I've read the responses, all of them. I understand everything that's
> been said.

Apparently not.

> I'm telling you the prices created by this market are
> outrageous,

You seem to think that just because you don't like 'prices' then that's
'proof' of something, but it's not. Other than you don't like prices.

> and it shows no sign of letting up. Prices continue to
> increase.

Maybe they should. Where is it written that things should be priced just to
suit YOU?

> The increases in the price of memory have been steady for the
> past five years.

Your 'solutions' are fly off the handle and shoot self in foot kind of
things. Flood the market, flood the market, cheap, cheap... yeah yeah.
Which also puts companies out of business and people out of work.

Things were real damn cheap during the Depression too but I hardly think of
that as a 'solution' to anything.

Let me pose a hypothetical example to illustrate how simplistic and short
sighted your 'outrage' is. A plant that makes memory chips can also make
other kinds of chips; say chips for cell phones. Cell phone market
increases and plant can make money with cell phone chips, which is a good
thing because people like to buy cell phones. Increase in cell phone chip
production lowers cell phone pricing but increases memory pricing because
that production is lowered from the shift to cell phone chips. You scream
about memory prices, force people to make more memory chips to satisfy your
'outrage', and cell phone prices increase because of the reverse shift in
production you forced. So now you scream about cell phone prices and want
to force more things, which screws up something else which you, of course,
scream about.

Meanwhile, if you were actually able to forces these things, you'd be
destroying the capital for plant expansion and product development, running
companies out of business, and putting people out of work. And out of work
people have a hard time buying things even at 'non outrageous' prices so
volume decreases and cost per unit goes up, which causes more layoffs, or
wage deflation, and a raft full of other equally undesirable consequences.

On the other hand, if prices really are 'outrageous' then someone will get
the bright idea to make money by selling into that market, by either a
production shift or the building of new plants, at a lower price and reap
profits from the volume. And if they try to make 'too much' profit someone
else will undercut them to take market share. That is, until the price
drops so low that the next guy decides he can make more money in the cell
phone market rather than make memory chips. Which is a good thing because
we don't want super expensive cell phones, now do we? Or maybe they'll make
GPS chips because, after all, we don't want 'outrageous' GPS prices either.
Or maybe they'll make GPU chips. Or maybe the investor will say to hell
with the volatile, low profit, chip industry and invest in geothermal home
heating units, or party balloons, or who the hell knows what? But, whatever
it is, I'm sure you don't want 'outrageous' prices there either so it's a
good thing someone is investing in it.

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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> It's absolutely amazing. There are people defending these prices. Their
> only defense is, lame attempts at insulting, or "don't buy it." There
> are still 128 MB Radeon 9800 cards being sold for over $250 dollars. An
> amazing $100 dollar drop from their average release date price, over
> two years ago.

Right now you can get the Radeon 9800 card for around $170 at Comp USA,
after the sale/rebate. I would sell you my old 9800, but I gave it to my Ma
when I bought one of those $400 video cards to replace it...

>I need not mention the price of memory, which is almost
> comical. Unless you want the cheapest memory available, and little of
> it, be prepared to spend at least $300 on memory. I'd love to see this
> monopoly destroyed somehow. C'mon, Chinese! Start your own companies
> and flood the market! You're already making all the products.
>
:-/

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aether wrote:
> I'll cite examples of what I speak of:
>
> DRAM Pricing: The Fix Is In - May 12, 2003 -
> http://www.newsforge.com/hardware/ [...] html?tid=7
>
> PC memory prices soar - September 9, 1999 -
> http://news.com.com/2100-1001-2780 [...] lr8yourmac
>
> Retailers to hike PC price tags (note - March 25, 2002 -
> http://money.cnn.com/2002/03/25/technology/pc_prices/
>
> Rising Costs Put PC Price Wars Into Reverse - March 28, 2002 -
> http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?id=354138
>
> Memory Prices Double - January 15, 2002 -
> http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/art [...] ,ov,00.asp
>
> Micron Warns About Soaring DRAM Prices - July 13, 2004 -
> http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memor [...] 14024.html
>

There's never a shortage of conspiracy theories but notice how you ignore
the reverse side from the very same articles, such as:

"If you forgot to buy memory for your PC when prices were DIRT CHEAP, you
may want to ..."

So how did the conspirators let memory get "dirt cheap?"

And how about this one? "Increases in the cost of memory ... are set to
reverse YEARS OF DECLINING PC PRICES."

These price fixers really STINK at it.

And then this one "A confusing mix of facts and rumors is causing a steep
hike in memory chip prices, bringing some NEEDED RELIEF to BELEAGUERED
MANUFACTURERS ..."

Well, hell, put them out of business and see how great things are. But did
you bother to look at the 'past headlines', at the bottom, from just two
months back?

May 7, "Memory chip prices plunge"
August 10, "Are memory prices stabilizing?"

So in three months there was a plunge followed by a recovery. But you only
look at select pieces of the picture.

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john, is open-look ng on air?

Tim at

DownUnderErgoSys.co.nz

remove downunder

"John Doe" <jdoe@usenet.is.the.real.thing.com> wrote in message
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> Memory prices fluctuate. Within the last year, I bought two 512MB
> sticks of Crucial 3200 for $78 USD each. I think ZipZoomFly had it
> for $75 but charged me three dollars more, no big deal. That is an
> incredible amount of memory for the price.
>
> The only story I can relate to your complaint is one I heard of
> recently. Something about memory makers driving another memory maker
> out of business by lowering their prices. I think it had something to
> do with that double data rate memory for Intel mainboards several
> years ago. Sorry, the name escapes me. There is supposed to be a suit
> still going on about that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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> Windows XP. Please see (comp.windows.open-look). Coding help is
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"Peter" <ivingtonAll_stRESS@fast24.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In article <1108864807.558582.248780@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> vercingetorix@hotmail.com says...
>> That sums up the entire industry. The prices aren't coming down. The
>> prices have remained the same for the past six months. They pay cheap
>> laborers in Asia a few cents an hour to manufacture this hardware, and
>> then turn around and make a 1000% profit. I'd love to see this turned
>> on them. (e.g. mass produced hardware flood the market via Asia) One
>> look at the prices they're charging for video cards is all you need to
>> realize this.
>>
>>
> Well, I went back over some old invoices from 2 years ago. Back in Feb
> 2003 I paid 25.70 UKP for 256Mb of no name brand PC2100 memory here in
> the UK. In May of 2004 I paid 37.42 UKP for 256Mb of Crucial 2100. If
> I were to buy 256 Mb of Kingston PC2100 memory from the same company now
> it would only cost me 23.90 UKP, whilst Crucial is at 25.84 UKP.
>
> So, over the past 2 years in the UK at least things have improved and
> over the past 6 to 8 months the price of same Crucial Memory has dropped
> by over 30%.

According to the EU low prices are largely due to what the guy wish's would
a happen to graphics GPU, namely dumping due to excess production in the far
east.

But where as memory is well, just memory, you can't say that about graphics
chips. You don't just buy any old graphics card becuase it's works and is
cheap. (perhaps the OP would!)

The market wants performance products using GPU's people recognise.

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The PC market now comprises something like 51% of the memory market and it
is shrinking as a percentage of the total which is growing . the growth is
in things like cell phones, smart appliances etc etc.
"David Maynard" <nospam@private.net> wrote in message
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> aether wrote:
> >>>>No one is defending a particular price. They're simply pointing out
> >
> > your
> > lack of understanding about markets.<<<
> >
> > I've read the responses, all of them. I understand everything that's
> > been said.
>
> Apparently not.
>
> > I'm telling you the prices created by this market are
> > outrageous,
>
> You seem to think that just because you don't like 'prices' then that's
> 'proof' of something, but it's not. Other than you don't like prices.
>
> > and it shows no sign of letting up. Prices continue to
> > increase.
>
> Maybe they should. Where is it written that things should be priced just
to
> suit YOU?
>
> > The increases in the price of memory have been steady for the
> > past five years.
>
> Your 'solutions' are fly off the handle and shoot self in foot kind of
> things. Flood the market, flood the market, cheap, cheap... yeah yeah.
> Which also puts companies out of business and people out of work.
>
> Things were real damn cheap during the Depression too but I hardly think
of
> that as a 'solution' to anything.
>
> Let me pose a hypothetical example to illustrate how simplistic and short
> sighted your 'outrage' is. A plant that makes memory chips can also make
> other kinds of chips; say chips for cell phones. Cell phone market
> increases and plant can make money with cell phone chips, which is a good
> thing because people like to buy cell phones. Increase in cell phone chip
> production lowers cell phone pricing but increases memory pricing because
> that production is lowered from the shift to cell phone chips. You scream
> about memory prices, force people to make more memory chips to satisfy
your
> 'outrage', and cell phone prices increase because of the reverse shift in
> production you forced. So now you scream about cell phone prices and want
> to force more things, which screws up something else which you, of course,
> scream about.
>
> Meanwhile, if you were actually able to forces these things, you'd be
> destroying the capital for plant expansion and product development,
running
> companies out of business, and putting people out of work. And out of work
> people have a hard time buying things even at 'non outrageous' prices so
> volume decreases and cost per unit goes up, which causes more layoffs, or
> wage deflation, and a raft full of other equally undesirable consequences.
>
> On the other hand, if prices really are 'outrageous' then someone will get
> the bright idea to make money by selling into that market, by either a
> production shift or the building of new plants, at a lower price and reap
> profits from the volume. And if they try to make 'too much' profit someone
> else will undercut them to take market share. That is, until the price
> drops so low that the next guy decides he can make more money in the cell
> phone market rather than make memory chips. Which is a good thing because
> we don't want super expensive cell phones, now do we? Or maybe they'll
make
> GPS chips because, after all, we don't want 'outrageous' GPS prices
either.
> Or maybe they'll make GPU chips. Or maybe the investor will say to hell
> with the volatile, low profit, chip industry and invest in geothermal home
> heating units, or party balloons, or who the hell knows what? But,
whatever
> it is, I'm sure you don't want 'outrageous' prices there either so it's a
> good thing someone is investing in it.
>
>
>

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notritenoteri wrote:

> The PC market now comprises something like 51% of the memory market and it
> is shrinking as a percentage of the total which is growing . the growth is
> in things like cell phones, smart appliances etc etc.

Yes. My example was not without some 'real life' inspiration

> "David Maynard" <nospam@private.net> wrote in message
> news:111lbk2kdhuti03@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>aether wrote:
>>
>>>>>>No one is defending a particular price. They're simply pointing out
>>>
>>>your
>>>lack of understanding about markets.<<<
>>>
>>>I've read the responses, all of them. I understand everything that's
>>>been said.
>>
>>Apparently not.
>>
>>
>>>I'm telling you the prices created by this market are
>>>outrageous,
>>
>>You seem to think that just because you don't like 'prices' then that's
>>'proof' of something, but it's not. Other than you don't like prices.
>>
>>
>>>and it shows no sign of letting up. Prices continue to
>>>increase.
>>
>>Maybe they should. Where is it written that things should be priced just
>
> to
>
>>suit YOU?
>>
>>
>>>The increases in the price of memory have been steady for the
>>>past five years.
>>
>>Your 'solutions' are fly off the handle and shoot self in foot kind of
>>things. Flood the market, flood the market, cheap, cheap... yeah yeah.
>>Which also puts companies out of business and people out of work.
>>
>>Things were real damn cheap during the Depression too but I hardly think
>
> of
>
>>that as a 'solution' to anything.
>>
>>Let me pose a hypothetical example to illustrate how simplistic and short
>>sighted your 'outrage' is. A plant that makes memory chips can also make
>>other kinds of chips; say chips for cell phones. Cell phone market
>>increases and plant can make money with cell phone chips, which is a good
>>thing because people like to buy cell phones. Increase in cell phone chip
>>production lowers cell phone pricing but increases memory pricing because
>>that production is lowered from the shift to cell phone chips. You scream
>>about memory prices, force people to make more memory chips to satisfy
>
> your
>
>>'outrage', and cell phone prices increase because of the reverse shift in
>>production you forced. So now you scream about cell phone prices and want
>>to force more things, which screws up something else which you, of course,
>>scream about.
>>
>>Meanwhile, if you were actually able to forces these things, you'd be
>>destroying the capital for plant expansion and product development,
>
> running
>
>>companies out of business, and putting people out of work. And out of work
>>people have a hard time buying things even at 'non outrageous' prices so
>>volume decreases and cost per unit goes up, which causes more layoffs, or
>>wage deflation, and a raft full of other equally undesirable consequences.
>>
>>On the other hand, if prices really are 'outrageous' then someone will get
>>the bright idea to make money by selling into that market, by either a
>>production shift or the building of new plants, at a lower price and reap
>>profits from the volume. And if they try to make 'too much' profit someone
>>else will undercut them to take market share. That is, until the price
>>drops so low that the next guy decides he can make more money in the cell
>>phone market rather than make memory chips. Which is a good thing because
>>we don't want super expensive cell phones, now do we? Or maybe they'll
>
> make
>
>>GPS chips because, after all, we don't want 'outrageous' GPS prices
>
> either.
>
>>Or maybe they'll make GPU chips. Or maybe the investor will say to hell
>>with the volatile, low profit, chip industry and invest in geothermal home
>>heating units, or party balloons, or who the hell knows what? But,
>
> whatever
>
>>it is, I'm sure you don't want 'outrageous' prices there either so it's a
>>good thing someone is investing in it.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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aether wrote:
> The price of memory is increasing.
>
> Rising DRAM prices could prompt vendors to cut bundled memory, analysts
> warn.
> April 21, 2004
> http://www.pcworld.com/news/articl [...] 6%2C00.asp
>
> "This week, spot pricing in Asian markets for a 256MB module containing
> 266MHz of DDR DRAM was around $39.50, according to market analyst
> ICIS-LOR, which tracks memory pricing. By comparison, the same modules
> were selling on the spot market or around $28.25 on January 1 and for
> around $25.00 on April 1, 2003, the analysts say.
>
> Spot prices for other memory types, such as SDRAM and 333MHz DDR, have
> also shown significant gains during this period."
>
> The price of high-end video cards has also increased. Three years ago,
> the consensus best graphics card was the Radeon 9700. The average price
> for this card was roughly $350. Today, the high-end card from ATI, the
> X850. The best versions of this graphics card are routinely priced
> above $700. The low-end version of this card is $545.
> (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?DEPA=0&description=14-131-301&CMP=OTC-pr1c3watch&ATT=Video+Cards)
>
> A quality 512MB DRAM module, three years ago, cost around $120. Keep in
> mind, that was essentially all that was necessary for a PC. Today,
> since 1GB is essential, you must be prepared to pay at least double
> that to have the same qualitative memory. Even more, if you prefer a
> single DIMM.
>
> DRAM Pricing: The Fix Is In - May 12, 2003 -
> http://www.newsforge.com/hardware/ [...] html?tid=7
>
> To deny the intent of these companies, which is to increase profits and
> please shareholders, is sheer folly.
>

No one disputes that prices go up and down. It's your presumptive
'conspiracy' analysis that's folly.

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qrk wrote:

> On 21 Feb 2005 18:49:39 -0800, "aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>>>No one is defending a particular price. They're simply pointing out
>>
>>your
>>lack of understanding about markets.<<<
>>
>>I've read the responses, all of them. I understand everything that's
>>been said. I'm telling you the prices created by this market are
>>outrageous, and it shows no sign of letting up. Prices continue to
>>increase. The increases in the price of memory have been steady for the
>>past five years.
>
>
> You sound like a young kid. Do a historical check on PC type computers
> over the past 20+ years. You will find that memory, video cards,
> motherboards, and CPU's have dropped drastically every year. If I
> remember correctly, we paid around $70/MB (512K of memory would have
> cost you $35840) for memory in the late 80's. When prices came down to
> $35/MB, that was heaven! A simple IBM PCXT with a 10MB hard drive and
> CGA graphics cost around $5000 in the early 80's. Considering
> inflation, that is really expensive compared to current prices.
>

The price was over $400 per megabyte for memory for awhile.


> I suppose you think that food is too expensive too.
>
>

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>>>I just purchased 1 GB of quality Corsair DDR400 memory for about
$150.<<<

Even still, that's more than a 10% increase over the $120 module I
spoke of. What type of Corsair DDR400 memory was it, specifically?
Also, was it a single module or twin? Remember, I said 'quality'
module. In addition, the module I was referring to was top of the line.
It's equivalent today would probably be the 'XMS Extreme'.
(http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-511&depa=0)
It's currently priced at $279.50. (and is sold out..)

I recall the difficulty of installing old memory, and the price per MB.
I'm speaking of the recent; the last few years specifically. The prices
are increasing. That simply can't be denied.

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aether wrote:

>>>>I just purchased 1 GB of quality Corsair DDR400 memory for about
>
> $150.<<<
>
> Even still, that's more than a 10% increase over the $120 module I
> spoke of. What type of Corsair DDR400 memory was it, specifically?
> Also, was it a single module or twin? Remember, I said 'quality'
> module. In addition, the module I was referring to was top of the line.
> It's equivalent today would probably be the 'XMS Extreme'.
> (http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-145-511&depa=0)
> It's currently priced at $279.50. (and is sold out..)
>
> I recall the difficulty of installing old memory, and the price per MB.
> I'm speaking of the recent; the last few years specifically. The prices
> are increasing. That simply can't be denied.
>

As I said before, you only look at the bits and pieces that fit your
conspiracy theory.

See here

Memory Market Overview: February 2005

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/m [...] 005_3.html


In particular, "iSupply thinks the volume of the DRAM market in money terms
... only 2.6 percent above the year 2004 (compare this to the 51-percent
difference between 2004 and 2003!)."

Now, that's a red flag to anyone familiar with supply and demand and it
wouldn't be terribly surprising if prices had spiked in 2004 vs 2003
because of the dramatic increase in demand.

Of course, that's only part of the picture because it doesn't take into
account, among other things, production capacity changes but it *does* show
that the market is what drives prices and not your conspiracy theories.

Nevertheless, "reduced prices at the end of January: from $4.02 for a 512Mb
DDR400 chip at the very beginning of the year to $3.8."

So much for perpetually increasing memory prices.

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Brian Brunner wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2005, Ruel Smith wrote:
>
>
>>>aether wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>A top-flight video card will cost you nearly $1,000.
>>>
>>>You can get an nVidia 6800 Ultra for about $500. Where do you come up with
>>>$1000? Are you talking about a professionaly level GL card? That has
>>>nothing to do with home based PC's.
>
>
> Canadian Dollars, or maybe AUS.
>

Hey hey now.... Come on, I'm canadian, give our currency some credit!
It's more like $975