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you VZW fanboys are hopeless.
completely myopic and blissfully ignorant. defending VZW at any cost, never
to opine against them ever. as long as what VZW does is 'profitable' in the
name of 'capitailism', it's agreeable to you.
you scold any dissent with your pseudo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo - which
clearly has no application in the real world.
if you cant see the greed and lunacy in such a ridiculous fee, its your
loss.
"SS" <nospam1336479852@wopdj.net> wrote in message
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> "cfj03" <cfj03.1oklpy@nospam.cellphoneforums.net> wrote in message
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>> "Again- go back to school. The customer is given two options at the
>> store-
>> use the payment kiosk and pay no fee or go to the counter and pay a
>> fee. If
>> it were intended as a revenue boost, they would have applied it to the
>> kiosk
>> or removed the kiosks to force payment at the counter."
>>
>> Because they haven't done it yet means nothing. It didn't used to cost
>> anything to use an ATM (whether your bank or not) but now BOTH banks
>> charge(yours and the ATM owner). Is that a deterrent too? I thought
>> teller fees were to force people to use ATM machines, and if the
>> problem is non-customers, why do BOTH banks charge(again, your bank and
>> the ATM owner)? To force you to use your own bank's ATM I guess
>> (rrriiigghhtt).
>
> My bank doesn't charge me to use their ATM, and they don't charge me if I
> use another bank's ATM. The other bank might charge (depending on the
> bank), but there are associated costs with going through the Federal
> Reserve
> system to recover the funds. But you already knew that, being the smart,
> educated guy you are.
>
>>It is the EXTRA CASH. Just like the bounced check fee
>> which is some 5-10 higher than the actual cost
>
> but greatly outweighted by the amount of bad debt they write off to
> bounced
> chacks that are not recovered on.
>
>> and in the case of
>> multiple checks say, many small ones and one large one, the bank will
>> pay the large one first to collect as many OD charges as possible.
>
> See my statement above.
>
>> Different industry, same concept. Charge what you can because you
>> can.
>
> But your analogies don't apply to the suituation at hand. Banks work as a
> network of seperate entites to allow financial transactions to occur from
> one to another. You can't walk into a Cingular store to pay your Verizon
> bill. And the bounced check fee is in direct response to the customer
> violating the TOS for their bank account- their are no TOS issues in this
> thread.
>
>>
>> "There is no evidence this will occur, and there is no precendent of
>> any kind
>> to show that any company would walk down that path. A baseless and
>> very
>> inaccurate claim."
>>
>> Well, until someone actually does it there will NEVER BE ANY EVIDENCE!
>
> Do you buy your aluminum foil by the case?
>
>> What do you even mean by that statement? Do you believe VZW, or anyone
>> else for that matter, is going to send out memo's before they start
>> charging?
>
> I'd be pretty confident in saying that the likelihood is high of there
> being
> a notice somewhere on customer's previous bills or a sign in the stores
> indicating when the fee would take effect.
>
>>I know companies now that charge you FOR RECEIVING A BILL.
>
> Can you name a few? Maybe a half dozen?
>
>> Isn't that part of the NATURAL cost of selling a product or service?
>
> It used to be- times have changed (I knowit is a hard concept to grasp)>
>
>> And is it not a fact that a business will incur expenses because THAT
>> is part of the deal?
>
> Only if you assume that it is a normal cost for that business to incur.
> Many companies exist today that have never provided a paper bill as a
> standard option to customers. Why can't other companies transition to
> that
> business model?
>
>> If a company charges for a paper bill, as IF
>> everyone has a computer with internet access, they will eventually
>> charge for any payment method.
>
> Can you please point me to any independent study that says this? I ask,
> because you are the only person to say with absolute certainty that this
> is
> going to occur.
>
>>
>>
>> "And your point is......?"
>>
>> My point was you can save all that nonsense about revenue recognition
>> and when it is earned and blah blah blah. WHEN THE CUSTOMER PAYS
>> THEIR BILL, THE COMPANY RECEIVES THE CASH. If the customer does not
>> pay, that accounting revenue is irrelevant. So for you to dismiss bill
>> payment, just because it is in person, as a burden is silly.
>
> No its not. I've provided facts about associated costs that you choose to
> ignore. And knowing that I have worked in the past in the financial area
> of
> a company that processes millions of dollars in monthly payments (and
> having
> to look at the cost efficiency of each payment option), I think I'm
> comfortable with my level of knowledge here.
>
>> But if you
>> actually owned a business you would find that you would be more than
>> happy to have customers actually PAY their bill.
>
> I did own my own business for about 5 years. I received all my payments
> as
> I requested.
>
>
>> And finally, how long
>> does it take to pay a bill
>
> Long enough to lose a sales and the associated future revenue.
>
>>
>>
>> Anyway, you are hopelessly in love with "business theory" and, as I
>> said, will believe any nonsense you are fed by corporations.
>
> Funny- in this entire thread, I have yet to see Verizon feed us any
> nonsense. I guess that would mean that I formed my opinion based on
> experience andfacts that you are obviously not in possession of. You are
> dealing in hypotheticals and I am telling how it is in the real world. If
> you choose to ignore it, then must believe any nonsense you are fed by the
> anti-business coalition.
>
> Do you clean the toilets where you work? You should if you don't- after
> all, it needs to be done and you're already getting paid.
>
>
>
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"Alan" <test@test.com> wrote in message
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> you VZW fanboys are hopeless.
But I'm not a fan of Verizon- never have been. Don't have their service and
never would.
>
> completely myopic and blissfully ignorant. defending VZW at any cost,
never
> to opine against them ever.
But I have posted many negatives about Verizon over the last few years. I
guess that would make me much moreobjective than those of you who feel the
need to bash any big company when the situation arises.
>as long as what VZW does is 'profitable' in the
> name of 'capitailism', it's agreeable to you.
Again, you're wrong. Try having a semblence of a clue before responding,
unless you really are thirteen years old as your posts would indicate.
>
> you scold any dissent with your pseudo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo - which
> clearly has no application in the real world.
And your last statememnt translates into, "Please don't use such big words.
It hurts my uneducated brain to try and figure them out."
>
> if you cant see the greed and lunacy in such a ridiculous fee, its your
> loss.
If greed and profit was the motivator, why choose the least used payment
method to charge for? Doesn't seem like a way to make a big profit, and if
they were greedy, they would choose a method used more often. Want to bet
that less than 1% of revenue is collected at a retail store counter?
If you can't see the idiocy of your ranting, its your loss.
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Steevo@my-deja.com wrote:
> I refused to pay it and they backed down each time. I gave them a
> check for the amount of the bill and they said "yes sir".
Why even bother with a rep when you can generally pay at the machine much more
quickly? IMHO, it's easier to pay that way. The Rancho Cucamonga Sprint store
(the one closest to my house) has three machines, so your wait for a machine
(if any) is minimal.
Not that I have any problems with talking to a human, but it's not the most
efficient way to pay.
> Just say no. "I won't pay"
I don't pay. 
In the unlikely event that I pay at the store, I put the money
into the payment machine, but more often we'll pay by calling *3 or making a
payment at sprintpcs.com.
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