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Is Windows 2K Pro really better than Xp?

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Ok guys let me say this upfront! The title of the post was not meant to challenge anyones opinion. I am very new to most of this stuff so I need your advise. In another post in this forum it seems that alot of you would choose Win 2K Pro over Win XP (any edition of XP). Am I correct so far? I am running Win 2K Pro on my current system and happen to like it. This weekend, I have been putting together my first system(At least one that I assembled from scratch)and all I lack is making up my mind on which OS I should use. Before visiting this forum I was about to purchase XP. If Win 2K Pro is the OS I should stick with, then that would be wonderful. One issue that I wish some of you would address is Hyperthreading. My processor is an Intel P4 Socket 478 3.0E 800 FSB 1MB level 2 Cashe. It is capable of course of Hyperthreading. Does Win 2K support Hyperthreading? I thought that only XP was. I really dont even know what Hyperthreading is or its advantages. Please help clear this up for me.

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Try it and decide for yourself, it is only an opinion based on personal needs and likes that makes the "right" decision.

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Reply to blah
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I love Win 2000, and still run it on one computer in the office.
But, I like XP better, and would not go back to 2000 ever.
Performance with apps is about same, stability is probally a little better with XP, but just about the same.
Compatability is now in favor of XP, that alone is enough to side with XP

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Reply to RichPLS

Take a look at my post in the CPU forum. IF you could give me some insight on what is going wrong I would appreciate it.

Reply to mozzartusm
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No, Win 2k does not support hyperthreading, but dual cpu's, YES.

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Preface
More than one year ago Intel with the new Xeon processors on basis of the Prestonia core manufactured in 0,13µm presented a technology, which puts the processor into the position to process two Threads parallel. Here it should not naturally concern the last processor, which is equipped with the so-called hyper+ Threading technology. Thus hyper+ Threading was activated nevertheless for the first time and for many surprisingly with 3,06 GHz the Pentium 4 well a half year ago also for Desktop computers. Meanwhile there are 4 processors together with new 800 MHz Frontside bus Pentium altogether five CPUs with active hyper+ Threading (HT). This alone is not sufficient however, in order to be able to use HT; also the operating system must control this technology.

Since HT reveals itself in relation to the operating system like a dual processor system, it requires also after an operating system with dual processor support. Windows 2000 Professional and server, Windows XP Professional as well as Windows server offer this support here as well known 2003 (formerly Windows NET) and naturally older Windows NT based operating systems.

According to Intel the hyper+ Threading support for the Desktop processors is integrated however only in Windows XP Home edition and Professional. The use of Windows 2000 Professional is not recommended. This is to that extent amazing, since the first Xeon processors of Intel had to get along with hyper+ Threading quite a while with Windows of 2000 servers as operating system. Finally the new, server version based on Windows XP, Windows server was only released 2003, in the April of this yearly to the sales. If Windows of 2000 servers were allowed to thus co-operate long time with HT processors, why Windows 2000 Professional with them should not be able to co-operate? Does Windows offer 2000 the same performance with HT as Windows XP? We let begin Windows 2000 Professional SP3 against Windows XP Professional SP1 on a system with and without activated hyper+ Threading.


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The idea of hyper+ Threading actually comes from the server range, where frequently computer systems with more than only one processor are used. With two processors it is e.g. possible to process two Threads (smallest executable part tasks) per clock cycle since each CCU can be employed independently with tasks. If a use of the programmer were divided into several Threads, so the speed can be increased clearly, if not even almost double.

The hyper+ Threading technology is here nothing different one, than the technology, which makes this simultaneous Multi Threading possible in a only one physical processor (with restrictions). This processor splits up thus into two logical processors, whereby the two logical/virtual processors a part of physical remark resources divide. A goal is it to use those available resources more effectively. But, as previously mentioned, naturally also the operating system plays a crucial role there. According to Intel HT of the Desktop processors becomes only under Windows XP (Home or Professional) or Linux supported starting from Kernel version 2.4.18. However Microsoft thought also own concerning hyper+ Threading, and published these in a Word document.
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Although Windows 2000 is compatible with hyper+ Threading Technology, incoming goods expect customers wants GET the best performance from hyper+ Threading Technology using Windows NET server. This is because the Windows NET server Family is engine-talk ton take full advantage OF the logical processors created by hyper+ Threading Technology.
Who would like to thus use the full potential from hyper+ Threading, according to Microsoft based Windows NET server, which in the meantime with the designation Windows is available server 2003 in the trade, needs the Windows XP. Thus thus also Microsoft recommends the employment of Windows XP to based products, if it concerns the employment Intels of new technology. However one could imply an sales figure-oriented intention here naturally also. But there are indeed differences with the recognition of dual processor system between Windows 2000 and Windows XP.
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Because Windows of 2000 servers of does emergency distinguish between physical and logical processors, Windows 2000 simply fills out the license limits using the roofridge processors counted by the BIOS. [ … ] In, Windows NET server of distinguishes between logical and contrast physical processors, regardless OF the way they’RH counted by the BIOS.
Windows XP is to be differentiated thus for the first time in a the position between virtual and physical processors. Therefore it is possible e.g. also with Windows XP Home edition to use a processor successfully with HT support although the Home edition on supports a material CCU for itself only. But this meant is not naturally still enough that there are achievement differences between Windows to 2000 and Windows XP with the employment of HT.


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Reply to RichPLS

i got no hyperthreading processor and no extra's as all those latest tech things (p4 2.4 ghz)

i built that compy in 2003 (january) and what i encountered with winXP was and still is a mystery but i installed it 4 times and it always crashed (error in explorer.exe)

so i did stick on win2K and have never had the same trouble again

now purely techy spoken this happened to me and could have had a certain cause, as now much proggies are designed for winXP...

sometimes win2000 doesn't support the new proggies and that gives as effectg that i need to click twice on "shutdown"

i'm certainly not against winXP but in my opinion the look and feel of win2000 makes me feel better (in winXP you can have that same old style of windows by selecting the "classic option" )

all i know is that SP2 of winXP contain some bugs and need to be revised so stick on SP1 and dl the most needed and important patches

so that's what i experienced and i know that win2000 with sp4 runs a tad faster then winXP, though not worth to discuss about as this difference is minimal and not really noticeable

basicly an OS goes hand in hand with the computer that it is installed on and in first place how you as user work with it...

based on these two things the choice is made easier... i do sound processing tasks and win2k is fairly enough for that...

these are my two cents i hope it makes it a bit more clear :lol:

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Reply to Aidanoridania
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Just use Windows XP already.

Reply to bgates

Win2K is still more reliable than XP big time so stick with win 2K until Microsoft release Longhorn. I also really love win 2K as it never crashes at critical times like XP does. Bottom line is if you use XP you're asking for trouble.

Reply to MegaManExtreme05
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eh, I've never had any problems w/ xp that I didn't have in 2k. With all the flashy crap turned off it is pretty much just 2k with more drivers, lol.

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I've never had an XP user saying nothing but things that they imaging under XP's "influential power". w2k has XP's problems? Can I get the name for at least one of them?

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I think all windows OSs suffer the problems I've had and I'm sure everyone has had them. Just the normal application crashing to desktop and BSOD. Those are about the only windows problems I've faced on my personal computers, I'm one lucky bastard lol. I've seen all kinds of crazy stuff on client computers but on my own machines I don't really suffer. I usually end up formatting my machine once or twice a year (or more) so I don't really experience any old windows install woes.

On client computers I think the most popular things are network problems, driver problems, usb problems, and spyware/viruses. Those happen on xp and 2k machines.

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Reply to folken
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I don't think you've mentioned any of OS problems, those are just "suplemental" issues and user errors. To get bluez on w2k you have to have a hardware driver issue (and that is not random issue, you'll know it right away and will know why), to get bluez (or to get boot files missing!!!) on XP you have to just click the "wrong" thing more than once, and that will happen who knows when and why :(

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Reply to blah
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I have stuck with W2k and will continue to until my core applicaitons no longer work on it. I hate all the stupid bloatware being pumped into software like XP. Even though you can revert to Classic mode you still know all the code is sitting in the OS. XP is a dumbed down OS for the masses. W2K just feels faster meaner and leaner. And so far I have not come across any software that that is XP only. Although I'm sure some exists. W2k gets my vote. I'm a seasoned web developer and am on my computer probably 10 hours a day so this is very important to me. So that's my 2 cents.

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Heh, tomorrow haf ta go to get XP Media super poooper off the PC and put 2k on it. The Person had tired of restarts and crashes and is asking for HELP!!! he he he, that is what really happening in the real life. Have fun anda da sun!

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