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I am looking at building a media PC to get TIVO and DVD recording capabilities. I have a few questions before I seriously get started:

1) Any issues with recording/viewing using digital cable signal? My cable company is Comcast and they provide digital cable. I am thinking of a ATI 9800 Pro as a Video card and don't want to sink $2000+ into a system that has flaws.

2) I want to go mATX and find a stylish case. I have considered SHUTTLE's barbones system. I have also considered buying case and mobo separate. However, I cannot find many articles pointing me to the best solution.

3) Best PVR software? I hear the ATI 9800 comes bundled with some pretty good software, but I also hear good things about Snapstream PVS.

I'm looking for opinions and any personal experiences with this. Anything you learned of the task would help (i.e. I should have picked a different Video card...).

I have read a few how-to guides Iincluding the one on TH) on building media PCs, but there aren't many out there.

Thanks for any advice.

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1)If you are using a cable box...you will need to use it on your computer too...you may already know that but i just wanted to makes sure...

2) make sure you get a quality 350 watt psu...if you get a lesser psu look to another card!

3)If the 9800 uses ati's multimedia center then yes...it is a good software...if not then i dunno...

Speaking from experience...use very high quality audio/video and coaxial cables near a computer....it emmits a LOT of radio interference...if you are picky about your audio and video quality then i would definitly sudgest high grade cabling (especially for coaxile cables)

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Reply to pIII_Man
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if it is digital cable, then you'll need the decoder box. So you dont need an AIW, because the tuner will be unused. So just get a good VIVO card. But, some digital cable company allow a secondary TV that use analog cable. If that is the case, you can have an AIW plugged at the analog cable tuner end, the digital cable box plugged at your TV and in the composite input of the AIW, and the composite out of the AIW to your TV. you could also use a VCR too with the analog cable tuner ...lot of possibility!

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Reply to pat

i doubt many cable boxes have audio video out...i beleive most require a coaxile cable...

In that case i would either get an all in wonder or some other TV tuner...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:

Reply to pIII_Man

I think you'd like a Micro ATX system in a "desktop" (horizontal) slim case. That's basically a real computer, using standard, replacable parts.

1.) You have to use your cable box, it can feed that signal out to the video input card of your choice, even the AIW cards.

2.) A case like <A HREF="http://This Coolermaster Unit" target="_new">http://This Coolermaster Unit</A> would probably be perfect for what you're doing. You can search Newegg's selection of cases, for example, and find many more of similar proportions. Just be sure to get one with full height slots, as the shorter ones only support half heigh cards.

<A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=11-190-004-07.jpg/11-190-004-05.jpg/11-190-004-03.jpg/11-190-004-04.jpg/11-190-004-06.jpg/11-190-004-02.jpg/11-190-004-01.jpg" target="_new">Here's a cheaper case of similar proportions</A>, shown standing up, but this case also lies flat for use in your entertainment center, and is available in <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=11-190-005-07.jpg/11-190-005-05.jpg/11-190-005-03.jpg/11-190-005-04.jpg/11-190-005-06.jpg/11-190-005-01.jpg/11-190-005-02.jpg" target="_new">silver/black</A> as well. But the Coolermaster has the advantage of using a full sized power supply.

Oh, and if you wouldnt' mind having something a bit bigger still, and dropping a wadd on it, <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=11-126-115-08.JPG/11-126-115-07.JPG/11-126-115-04.JPG/11-126-115-05.JPG/11-126-115-06.JPG" target="_new">This Black</A> and <A HREF="http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage.asp?image=11-126-114-08.JPG/11-126-114-07.JPG/11-126-114-11.JPG/11-126-114-09.JPG/11-126-114-10.JPG" target="_new">This Silver</A> case both use FULL SIZE ATX boards and still look good in an entertainment center.

These Micro ATX and ATX solutions offer you a wide array of motherboards from which to choose, both P4 and Athlong varieties.

3.) ATI includes a nice software package with all the TiVO features you'll need and a good remote that's easy to use.

OK, getting back to #2, you would be better off with a case and board, so what processor would you like to use? The Asus P4P800-VM is the latest Micro ATX P4 board, and MSI makes a GREAT Micro ATX board for AMD based on the nForce2 chipset.

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I think digital cable does have A/V output + coax. Image and sound quality are trademark for digital cable, so they need better connexion than coax, especially for home theater system.

-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!

Reply to pat

if you say so...

Although i doubt it...since it has traveled so far in a coaxile cable what will 3 feet to your tv change....the only thing that the cable box is doing is providing video stabilization...the first few lines of pixals that go to a TV are actually interperited as bits and asign where each line of pixles should go...this is slightly encrypted (for lack of a better word) on systems that require a cable box...other than that digi cable is electrically identical to a standard cable connection...

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Reply to pIII_Man
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digital cable box are decoders. The signal that travel through the coax cable to the decoder is digital, so it need a digital to analog converter. and since the video and audio data are digitally encoded, they dont loose quality like analog signal that need to be amplified. Digital cable is just like satellite tv, it has to be decoded once it get to your house. I have satellite tv here and I use composite to connect the decoded to my computer. I cannot switch channel with my computer, only with the decoder. I have an UHF remote with my decoder, so I dont need to have the decoder in sight. That why digital cable or satellite TV have better image and sound quality than standard analog cable. Just like music on cd that can be copied and copied without loosing quality.Sure, the signal is compressed, but it is mpeg2 and the quality is like DVD. But it is always as good as the source, so if the movie is old, you just dont see improvement.



-Always put the blame on you first, then on the hardware !!!

Reply to pat

whatever you say man...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:

Reply to pIII_Man

Well I have to say that yes the digital signal doesn't degrade as much as analog. But digital is not better quality than analog. Unless it is high definition. You can relly see on a big screen TV how crappy the digital signal is. It looks like it has been dithered down to 65000 colors. It really looks bad. But you get 500 channels. Like I can watch that many. It is certainly not DVD quality by any stretch. On a 32 inch or smaller TV it probobly looks ok. The best quality low definition TV you will ever see is with your good old anteana.

Reply to siranthony

that was exactly what i was too lazy to say...i did not want to start a digital cable war...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:

Reply to pIII_Man

BTW...so called digital cable can be transfered via antena too...

All a cable line is...is an antena that does not travel through the air...I am not kidding...if you take the sheilding away from a coaxile cable and turn on another tv that receives UHF and VHF signals...you will be able to tune into the channels...So this digital BS is carp IMO...around my town they are advertising DIGITAL phone service...sounds like a scam to me...

The reason that the coaxile cable is sheilded is to reduce interferance...because the center copper wire is very suseptible to interference...

If i put my k6 in a Ferrari it would be faster than your your pentium 4 or Athlon XP :tongue:

Reply to pIII_Man

Thanks for the help (and the run-on introduction to cable TV). If I ever have a questions about Digital or CATV in general, I'll be sure to post it in these forums.

I like a couple of the cases I was given and will take consider the advice on digital TV.

Thanks alot everyone.

Reply to jasondjohansen

never!

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