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well im going to get a P4 2.4B with ddr ram and some other stuff and i was looking for a mobo that supports AGP 8x in case i upgrade my vid card and also a one that supports the new HT technology in case i upgrade my cpu in the future.

After checking a lot at least on asus i have found either AGP 8x or HT tech but not a mobo that supports both, the only one that i have seen with both is the

MSI E7205 Master-L Intel E7205 P4 (533FSB) Skt478 DDR ATX Motherboard w/Audio, Gigabit LAN Retail (Support Hyper Threading)
533FSB, ATA/100, AGP 8X, 4DIMM, 5PCI, USB 2.0, Audio, Gigabit LAN

but it went from my expected 150$ to $199, just wondering what do you recommend or if you know any other mobo that supports it at a little cheaper price but also in a good name board.

BTW im buying either on newegg or googlegear.
Thx

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All the Granit Bay (7205) chipset boards do.

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Reply to Crashman

Yo man,

I'm in the same boat pretty much- looking for a good board w/8x AGP to support the newer vid cards. Like crash said- pretty much all the e7205 northbridge chipset will support DDR ram and 8x's vid cards.

If you are going to go with that particular chipset- THG has a good post on it and from what I have heard- gigabyte is a good board and heard good and bad about the asus board. Soltek also has a limited edition 'Golden Flame' [a yellow board-looks cool] E7205. Pretty much it's all about what you want. If you want to overclock- I think I would go with Soltek cause of the control you have just in the bios alone and all of there boards are pretty solid when it comes to OC. If not or maybe some mild overclocking- I would say that of gigabyte. [Right now- those are the two I am considering.]

If money is an issue- Soltek is cheaper. If you are flexible with the ram- there is also a chipset that supports agp 8x's that is the SiS 648 and I think if I am correct there is a SiS 655 hitting the streets. THG has reviews on both. Just as I think there is a E7505 chipset hitting also. (I don't know anything about the 655 or the 7505 only heard refrences to them).

I guess what the bottom line is- what you want to do with your comp, what you are expecting and go from there.

Hope this helps- oh btw- newegg carries more than the MSI board for e7205- here is the link for the gigabyte board
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewprod [...] 13-128-166

Reply to TheCommGuy

Sorry- one more thing- as far I know also- the 8x graphics port runs at 1.5v. The vid card you are using now- you might want to verify that it's not using AGP ver 2 the 3.3v which is more than likely the case (if it's not agp 8x now). If you are going to upgrade to 8x's cap board, might as well pan on upgrading you vid card also.

Again hope it helps you

Reply to TheCommGuy

You might want to check out the Soyo SY-P4X400 DRAGON Ultra Platinum Edition mobo. It supports AGP 8X, FSB of 533MHz, DDR400, 6 USB 2.0 ports, RAID, LAN, 6-channel Audio and comes with hardware to add USB ports to a drive bay- and it won Cnet's Computer shopper mobo of the year award - And, it cost about half as much as a mobo featuring the 7205 chipset.

I picked one up for $149 at: <A HREF="http://www.directron.com/syp4x400.html" target="_new">http://www.directron.com/syp4x400.html</A>

Here's a link to Soyo's page on it:
<A HREF="http://www.soyousa.com/products/proddesc.php?id=159" target="_new">http://www.soyousa.com/products/proddesc.php?id=159</A>

Here's a review specific to the mobo:

<A HREF="http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/p4x400-dragon-ultra.htm" target="_new">http://active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/p4x400-dragon-ultra.htm</A>


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Reply to tuesday630

You should be banned for that. Try running my soundcard on that board. If you tell me it's because my soundcard is outdated, and most newer cards don't have such problems, no, it's because most newer cards are made to run slower to get around VIA's PCI latency bug.

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Reply to Crashman
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hehe thx a lot for the tips guys, but after checking a lot i did decide to go with the MSI one its a little expensive but worth it at the end. And ive heard people having problems with the soyo one so im going to stay away from it for now.

Reply to yo_man

I tried using a Soyo P4X400 board and I kept on getting bluescreens, no matter how many times I flashed the bios , and reformated.SOYO is crap!!!!! there tech support is as worthless as there board. You should always stay away from Soyo based on VIA.

Reply to raging_redneck

I think it's a bug in the chipset. Places like Cnet probably like the board because 1.) VIA had the "guts" to go up against Intel (a Pro-VIA way of saying they stole patented technology). 2.) they only tested the board with parts they already knew were VIA friendly.

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Reply to Crashman

I should be banned? Are you serious? I could understand you wanting to ban me if I recklessly stated something that was untrue. However, all I did was recommend a motherboard and chipset that has repeatedly received good reviews from people and groups who have actually tested it and put it through its paces.

You want to ban me for recommending a chipset that is in the top twenty motherboards at <A HREF="http://www.motherboards.org/rank/Intel/total/motherboard-rank.html" target="_new">http://www.motherboards.org/rank/Intel/total/motherboard-rank.html</A>?

I offered links in my post to reviews of the motherboard. So people could read for themselves. Here are some more:
<A HREF="http://www.active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/p4x400-dragon-ultra.htm" target="_new">http://www.active-hardware.com/english/reviews/mainboard/p4x400-dragon-ultra.htm</A>

Mbreview rates it a 10 of 10 for stability.
<A HREF="http:// http://www.mbreview.com/p4pb400.php " target="_new">http:// http://www.mbreview.com/p4pb400.php </A>
<A HREF="http://www3.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/10703_1548301__7" target="_new">http://www3.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/motherboards/article.php/10703_1548301__7</A>
<A HREF="http:// http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/VIA/P4PB400" target="_new">http:// http://www.vr-zone.com/reviews/VIA/P4PB400</A>

On the other hand, let’s examine your criticism of the P4X400 chipset. You stated that it suffers from PCI Latency issues that cause problems with sound cards. Are you sure?

I know that this is an easy thing to throw out in a discussion regarding VIA chipsets, but it is a little reckless in this case.

A few years back, VIA released the 686B Southbridge in the KT133 chipset that had the notorious PCI Latency issue that caused havoc with sounds cards, especially the ubiquitous Sound Blaster. This issue was addressed. There is no proof that it has resurfaced in the modern P4X400 chipset. Saying that it has is simply irresponsible and unprofessional.

I’m not saying that the P4X400 chipset is perfect. In fact I slightly prefer the SiS 648 or certainly the 7205. If you wanted to discuss the drawbacks of the P4X400 chipset, you might mention the fact that it requires hand-picked RAM to be stable at DDR400. You might mention that, even though it has tons of overclocking features, it is only mediocre at overclocking. There are pros and cons. However, saying that I should be banned for recommending it is just school-yard bullying.




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Reply to tuesday630

I just used the B word to get your attention. Fact is that I own an Aureal Vortex2 card. VIA chipsets have never supported them. Not the oldest, not the KT333, and I haven't tried their P4 chipsets, but I don't have to as long as they use the same southbridge at the KT333. Bugs present in the southbridge will always be present in that same chip regardless of the northbridge. Did you know SiS pays Intel $6 a chipset in licensing to produce the 645, 648, 655, and 658 chipsets? And their integrated verions too. Yep, when a VIA board cost the same as an SiS board that means you just paid VIA the $6 that should have gone to intel, to cheat and steal patents. Did you also know that VIA threatened to short supply any board makers who uses the SiS 735 chipset, back when all VIA had was the KT266 and the 735 was faster? Asus, Abit, and MSI all scrapped FINISHED designs of their 735 chipset board because of that, fearing the wrath of AMD enthusiast who backed VIA.

VIA is the company who gave me 2 years of grief over the MVP3 and KT133 when I was first swiching over to new systems, customers kept asking for cards that wouldn't work, I'd try them, and spend hours trying to figure out why the new hardware would cause system crashes. VIA DENIED any issues and blamed the hardware venders. 2 years. 2 years they quietly released patches for bugs they said didn't exist. 2 years of watching hardware become obsolete while I waited for those patches. 2 years of customers saying "I thought you said this would work". In business hours, 2 years can be a lifetime. Give me a break, Intel even publishes errata rather than telling people it doesn't exist. Intel recalled the PIII 1.13 and the i820 with SDRAM. VIA has never recalled a thing!

So what we have here is a company who steals from other companies, uses extortion to block competition, screws the end user at all cost...I'm sure if I looked hard enough I could even find financial links to terrorist activities. You're dealing with a company that hates its customers. For all these reasons I praise the god of motherboards whenever I hear someone else complain about a VIA chipset problem. If someone told me their P4X400 overheated and set their house on fire, I'd laugh at them. Serves them right for supporting such an evil company.

The most evil companies in the PC industry are: VIA, Creative, and Microsoft. In that order. Not order of power, but order of evil. Now, I'm forced to deal with Microsoft, but I have options when it comes to VIA.

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Reply to Crashman

Hehehe... okay, peace dude. I agree VIA's customer service could stand a lot of improvement. Luckily they have a fairly good tech forum, but I can see where their lack of tech services could make them into the anti-christ of technology. Not to defend them, but - keep in mind how difficult it is to provide tech support on a low-cost, high-volume, high-tech item. The cost of supplying support to one customer basically can erase the profit made on that sale. It can be done, but the science of doing it leaves very little margin. But then again, if it were easy, everybody would be doing it, eh?

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Reply to tuesday630

I remember when SiS was having problems (prior to the 735), you would try to figure out why some glitch would happen, they would tell you what it was, workarounds to try, and if none existed they would appologize for the inconvenience. Now they were making some shoddy chipsets back then, but at least they were honest. I didn't have to spend hours wondering if maybe I was doing something wrong. And if anyone said the problem was with my skills, I could show them the technical notes. I didn't buy SiS's problems after that, but because of their honesty I was willing to give them a chance to improve.

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Reply to Crashman

Remember the via cpu's and thier new c3 lmao. Amd benifited from via when the athlon first came out but Via is no longer an amd chipset anyone should buy. the kt400a will soon be released and for what to fix bugs the kt400 has, but will not admit. nforce2 from now on till something bigger and better comes out but not from via

Reply to Flipphone

Conspiracy theorist proposed that VIA's AMD chipsets were purposely neglected to make their own C3 on their Intel compatable chipsets look better.

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