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I have both Alltel and VZW numbers for a variety of reasons, but
sometimes would like to be able to have both on the same phone, one to a
NAM. Realize that only the active one will work. I was able to program, the
phone, an Alltel 720 and use the VZW website to switch to its ESN without
trouble, but it still seeks out Alltel for PRL updates. Is there something
I need to change to get it to use VZW for PRL updates when on the VZW
number? Of course, I want to continue to use Alltel for the Alltel NAM.
Thanks in advance.


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"Thomas M. Goethe" <goethe11@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> I have both Alltel and VZW numbers for a variety of reasons, but
> sometimes would like to be able to have both on the same phone, one to a
> NAM. Realize that only the active one will work. I was able to program,
the
> phone, an Alltel 720 and use the VZW website to switch to its ESN without
> trouble, but it still seeks out Alltel for PRL updates. Is there
something
> I need to change to get it to use VZW for PRL updates when on the VZW
> number? Of course, I want to continue to use Alltel for the Alltel NAM.
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> --
> Thomas M. Goethe


I don't know about your phone in perticular, but you could try *22800 or
*22801, or in PCS areas, *22802, 03, etc. That will try to do a PRL update
on a specific radio band.

-Jeff

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On Sun, 2 May 2004 10:11:42 -0400, "Thomas M. Goethe"
<goethe11@lycos.com> wrote:

> I have both Alltel and VZW numbers for a variety of reasons, but
>sometimes would like to be able to have both on the same phone, one to a
>NAM. Realize that only the active one will work. I was able to program, the
>phone, an Alltel 720 and use the VZW website to switch to its ESN without
>trouble, but it still seeks out Alltel for PRL updates. Is there something
>I need to change to get it to use VZW for PRL updates when on the VZW
>number? Of course, I want to continue to use Alltel for the Alltel NAM.
>Thanks in advance.

Some 2 years ago, a friend gave me a Verizon StarTAC. I am an Alltel
subscriber who had an old "dual mode" (single band, analog and
digital) phone, and took it to my Alltel store. They burned new
firmware into it. Whether this just controlled defaults ... who
knows.

The suggestion you got on using a different *228 code is a good one.
Someone here, perhaps Stanley Cline, will pop up and tell you what
each of the rest do. With Alltel and Verizon on A/B portions im many
areas (including here in Greenville SC), that might be the ticket.

George

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"GeorgeB" <nospam@att.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 2 May 2004 10:11:42 -0400, "Thomas M. Goethe"
> <goethe11@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > I have both Alltel and VZW numbers for a variety of reasons, but
> >sometimes would like to be able to have both on the same phone, one to a
> >NAM. Realize that only the active one will work. I was able to program,
the
> >phone, an Alltel 720 and use the VZW website to switch to its ESN without
> >trouble, but it still seeks out Alltel for PRL updates. Is there
something
> >I need to change to get it to use VZW for PRL updates when on the VZW
> >number? Of course, I want to continue to use Alltel for the Alltel NAM.
> >Thanks in advance.
>
> Some 2 years ago, a friend gave me a Verizon StarTAC. I am an Alltel
> subscriber who had an old "dual mode" (single band, analog and
> digital) phone, and took it to my Alltel store. They burned new
> firmware into it. Whether this just controlled defaults ... who
> knows.
>
> The suggestion you got on using a different *228 code is a good one.
> Someone here, perhaps Stanley Cline, will pop up and tell you what
> each of the rest do. With Alltel and Verizon on A/B portions im many
> areas (including here in Greenville SC), that might be the ticket.

Thanks to both you and Jeff for the suggestions. There would be an issue
with reflashing the phone according to both Alltel and VZW. They use
different firmware and both say that they feel that is the issue. I'm just
wondering if there is a setting that can be made in the programming to tell
the phone where to go for PRL (and if that would make it accurately indicate
when it is out of network).

One other issue I had was that the Alltel phone wouldn't connect a
tethered laptop at 1x on the VZW number. That may very well be a firmware
issue and not resolvable without flashing the firmware which will probably
leave me with a phone that won't do Alltel 1x. That would be ok as I almost
never use that one for data.

Thanks for any and all suggestions.


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Thomas M. Goethe <goethe11@lycos.com> wrote:

> Thanks to both you and Jeff for the suggestions. There would be an issue
> with reflashing the phone according to both Alltel and VZW. They use
> different firmware and both say that they feel that is the issue. I'm just
> wondering if there is a setting that can be made in the programming to tell
> the phone where to go for PRL (and if that would make it accurately indicate
> when it is out of network).

Why would flashing the phone be a problem? They do use different firmware
and that's why you should have the phone flashed if you're moving it...

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"Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
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> Thomas M. Goethe <goethe11@lycos.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks to both you and Jeff for the suggestions. There would be an
issue
> > with reflashing the phone according to both Alltel and VZW. They use
> > different firmware and both say that they feel that is the issue. I'm
just
> > wondering if there is a setting that can be made in the programming to
tell
> > the phone where to go for PRL (and if that would make it accurately
indicate
> > when it is out of network).
>
> Why would flashing the phone be a problem? They do use different firmware
> and that's why you should have the phone flashed if you're moving it...
>

I want to use the same phone on both networks at times. One NAM for each
network. That means one NAM will be using the wrong firmware which does
appear to matter with 1x. There are times when carrying three c-phones a
pager and a PDA are too much and it would be nice to cutback.


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"Thomas M. Goethe" <goethe11@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> news:78udnVzPWZGYwAvdRVn-gQ@lmi.net...
> > Thomas M. Goethe <goethe11@lycos.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks to both you and Jeff for the suggestions. There would be an
> issue
> > > with reflashing the phone according to both Alltel and VZW. They use
> > > different firmware and both say that they feel that is the issue. I'm
> just
> > > wondering if there is a setting that can be made in the programming to
> tell
> > > the phone where to go for PRL (and if that would make it accurately
> indicate
> > > when it is out of network).
> >
> > Why would flashing the phone be a problem? They do use different
firmware
> > and that's why you should have the phone flashed if you're moving it...
> >
>
> I want to use the same phone on both networks at times. One NAM for
each
> network. That means one NAM will be using the wrong firmware which does
> appear to matter with 1x. There are times when carrying three c-phones a
> pager and a PDA are too much and it would be nice to cutback.
>
>
> --
> Thomas M. Goethe


Just do like other poster said. Switch to the NAM you want the Verizon # in
and do the over the air programming. It will be *22800 if Verizon is A side
there, *22801 if Verizon is B side. Adding the 00 or 01 onto the end of it
will override the Alltel PRL and force it to pick up Verizon's signal. I
have programmed several phones with Alltel on one NAM and Verizon on
another.


KC

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Thanks KC, I'll give it a whirl.


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"_KC_" <kc@kc.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Thomas M. Goethe" <goethe11@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:c76v73$ep4b$1@ID-192964.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > "Steven J Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> > news:78udnVzPWZGYwAvdRVn-gQ@lmi.net...
> > > Thomas M. Goethe <goethe11@lycos.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks to both you and Jeff for the suggestions. There would be
an
> > issue
> > > > with reflashing the phone according to both Alltel and VZW. They use
> > > > different firmware and both say that they feel that is the issue.
I'm
> > just
> > > > wondering if there is a setting that can be made in the programming
to
> > tell
> > > > the phone where to go for PRL (and if that would make it accurately
> > indicate
> > > > when it is out of network).
> > >
> > > Why would flashing the phone be a problem? They do use different
> firmware
> > > and that's why you should have the phone flashed if you're moving
it...
> > >
> >
> > I want to use the same phone on both networks at times. One NAM for
> each
> > network. That means one NAM will be using the wrong firmware which does
> > appear to matter with 1x. There are times when carrying three c-phones a
> > pager and a PDA are too much and it would be nice to cutback.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Thomas M. Goethe
>
>
> Just do like other poster said. Switch to the NAM you want the Verizon #
in
> and do the over the air programming. It will be *22800 if Verizon is A
side
> there, *22801 if Verizon is B side. Adding the 00 or 01 onto the end of
it
> will override the Alltel PRL and force it to pick up Verizon's signal. I
> have programmed several phones with Alltel on one NAM and Verizon on
> another.
>
>
> KC
>
>

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Thomas M. Goethe Wrote:
> Thanks KC, I'll give it a whirl.
>
>
> --
> Thomas M. Goethe
>
> "_KC_" kc@kc.com wrote in message
> news:3APlc.4514$a47.4394@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...-
>
> "Thomas M. Goethe" goethe11@lycos.com wrote in message
> news:c76v73$ep4b$1@ID-192964.news.uni-berlin.de...-
> "Steven J Sobol" sjsobol@JustThe.net wrote in message
> news:78udnVzPWZGYwAvdRVn-gQ@lmi.net...-
> Thomas M. Goethe goethe11@lycos.com wrote:
>
> Thanks to both you and Jeff for the suggestions. There would
> be---
> an--
> issue-
> with reflashing the phone according to both Alltel and VZW. They
> use
> different firmware and both say that they feel that is the
> issue.---
> I'm--
> just-
> wondering if there is a setting that can be made in the
> programming---
> to--
> tell-
> the phone where to go for PRL (and if that would make it
> accurately-
> indicate-
> when it is out of network).
>
> Why would flashing the phone be a problem? They do use different--
> firmware--
> and that's why you should have the phone flashed if you're
> moving---
> it...---
> -
>
> I want to use the same phone on both networks at times. One NAM
> for-
> each-
> network. That means one NAM will be using the wrong firmware which
> does
> appear to matter with 1x. There are times when carrying three
> c-phones a
> pager and a PDA are too much and it would be nice to cutback.
>
>
> --
> Thomas M. Goethe-
>
>
> Just do like other poster said. Switch to the NAM you want the
> Verizon #-
> in-
> and do the over the air programming. It will be *22800 if Verizon is
> A-
> side-
> there, *22801 if Verizon is B side. Adding the 00 or 01 onto the end
> of-
> it-
> will override the Alltel PRL and force it to pick up Verizon's signal.
> I
> have programmed several phones with Alltel on one NAM and Verizon on
> another.
>
>
> KC
>
> -

I have worked as a technical support representatives for both
companies for years. Basically what your trying to do is about the same
as trying to run Mac software on a PC or vice versa. They could build
identical looking models but the software is still different. You could
wipe out the software from Alltel (what's known as flashing the phone)
but then it would always seek for Verizon first, or you could wipe out
the software from Verizon but it will always search for ALLTEL first.
It will never have both roaming list at once. About the best thing that
will actually work most of the time is changing the system select.
In most major markets in the country the FCC allows 2 major
cellular providers (some metropolitan areas have more provided that
they use different technology or share with their competitor) known as
the A-side carrier and the B-side carrier. In most cities Verizon or
Sprint is the B-side and Alltel or Cingular is the A-side. If your
phone was built for Alltel it has a built in list of A-side signals
(preferred roam list or PRL for short) that consist of a code for each
and every tower that is out there in the country with Alltel. Your
system select is set preset when it is programmed to Automatic A with
Alltel so your phone knows to search that list first. Your phone is
constantly searching every 2 seconds or so for the strongest possible
signal from that A-side list. If you are out of range or service goes
out with the A-side provider the phone automatically jumps to the
B-side back up list without you knowing it. It's in the memory but it
is not the main list. If your with Alltel and not in an Alltel area and
the phone jumps to the B-side and you dial *611 it will call Verizon
customer service because it is picking up their signal as the backup.
When you go to an area in which you have your Verizon number you can
switch the NAM and the system select to Automatic B and it will cause
your phone to pick up Verizon's PRL by default and then switch to
Alltel automatically if Verizon is not available.
Hope this helps out some. If you have any questions feel free to
let me know.


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