<A HREF="http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1647&p=6" target="_new">http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.html?i=1647&p=6</A>
 
 
To sum it up, the 8500 gets its ass handed to it(128/64) by the 4200 64, AND in MOST cases, the ti500(even some ti200 wins over the top of the line 8500).
 
 
Very interesting benchmarks if ut is your cup of tea.
 
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<P ID="edit"><FONT SIZE=-1><EM>Edited by Matisaro on 07/04/02 11:42 AM.</EM></FONT></P>

8500 is on par with the 4200 my ass.
 
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Let's revisit this when the RV300 comes out.
 
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drawing conclusion based upon a benchmark from a game thats hasnt been fully refined?? i think your point of view towards the subject is pretty narrow dont' u think?
when UT2 is ready for retail, we will then see who wins over who.

 
Sure, then when the next nvidia comes out, and the next matrox adinfitium, whats your point?
 
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Benchmarks speak for themselves, and that is the final engine for ut2 iirc, any optimisations will not be major in the slightest according to anandtech.
 
 
As for my oppinion on the 4200 versus the 8500 , this just further illustrates my point to several of the boards members about the 4200s power. There are tons of other benchmarks which agree with this one.
 
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Let's revisit this when the RV300 comes out.
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Sure, then when the next nvidia comes out, and the next matrox adinfitium, whats your point?
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I think you've summed up the point nicely above. You can bleat on all year about benchmarks (yawn), as if they really matter so much. And to do so about a game that has yet to be released......  
 
 
 
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Well, the R8500 was only meant to compete with the GF3 family and I'm sure you'll agree with me that it beats the GF3s in just about every benchmark, except for this one in some cases, so that shouldn't be used to judge the R8500. Anyways, the R8500 wasn't meant to compete against the GF4s and I'd say it's doing a pretty good job. R300 will be out ~3 months before NV30, so ATi will have quite some time to do some performance bashing on the GF4 series before NV30 can come out to level the field again. (I personnally prefer the NV30, just by looking at the specs.)
 
Plus, the R8500LE 128MB in Canada is $249 and a GF4 Ti4200 is $329.
 
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No, it beats or loses to the ti500, it is roughly equavalent to the ti500, not the 4200 as many ati fans have been fuding on this board.(which is why im here posting benchmarks btw).
 
The radeon le loses even more than the radeon retail of this test, and the gf4 ti4200 64 can be had for as little as 135$ on pricewatch last I checked.
 
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Yeah, but if I buy it at a store somewhere near where I live, that's the pricing (CDN$ mind you).
 
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Yeah, but if I buy it at a store somewhere near where I live, that's the pricing (CDN$ mind you).
 
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Fortunately I only paid $99 for my 8500 (not LE) OEM 64MB. It will tide me over until I need something else.  I bought the 8500 because the Ti4200 was 50% more money.  I didn't think it was up to 50% faster, not even close (so I thought). D*mn!
 
By the time the new games/game engines are out in force I'll be looking for a new graphics card, anyway.
 
Not interested in UT2, but when DOOM3 is out I'll be looking for the best card available at that time.
 
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I think it's funny that your only opinions are usually only those echoed from posts of other people.  If you read the article, you would notice that what Anand has is basically the public demo that is going to be available to everyone.  No major changes are going to be made in the interim, the performance now is as we will probably see it when it is released.  Perhaps some optimizations can be made for ATi, but even at 1024x768 Max quality, the 8500 is ~20% behind the 128 version of the 4200.  Optimizations may allow it to catch up to that...but that's a lot of ground to gain.
 
Hopefully the R300 will put things to shame =)  Otherwise we'd have another Matrox debacle on our hands, heh heh heh

 
Cost/performance is never linear, but taken at max overclocked levels the 8500 can be up to 35% slower than a 4200 on an average overclock.
 
 
All of the cards are adequate, but I myself fail to see why someone would not pay 35 extra bucks for much more performance.
 
 
 
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Hope you guys aren't confusing UT2 as a separate game from UT2003. They said they're going to do away with sequel numbers and instead it's going to be like "Madden 2003" in that they will keep releasing updates perhaps every year maybe every two years. They want to make UT a real competitor's sport for the CPL, which is why they're doing the name change to UT2003.
 
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I have a question for you guys. Especially Matisaro. Well, after looking around for the pricing on video cards, I managaed to find a VisionTek GF4 Ti4200 128MB for only - get this now - $179USD. That's about $$275CDN. Now I was wondering, would it be worth it to take my Radeon 8500LE 128MB back and get my refund of $249CDN + taxes and get this card. I can have someone order it from th States(friends) and get it shipped here. Now the reason I say this is I must admit that the GF4 Ti4200 really kicks the R8500 in most ways. Now especially if I can get this card for only $25 more than a Radeon 8500LE. I'm thinking this is a good idea. (I'll have a good reason to return my Radeon 8500LE anyways, the fan is really high pitched and whiny. Doesn't really sound right. I can hear it over everything else in my box.) Now this is what I have so tell me if it's worth it to get this card for my system:
 
P4 1.4GHz 256KB L2 cache, 423 Socket
256MB PC800 RDRAM
Radeon 8500LE 128MB.
 
So for an extra $25, should I get a Ti4200 128MB card?
 
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When I bought the 8500 OEM 1-1/2 months ago for $99 the cheapest Ti4200 (also 64 MB) was $159.  Benchmarks were still sketchy at that time.  The difference wasn't looking anything near 35%-50%.  I might have made the jump had I known, but probably not.  No question, I would go for a Ti4200 for another $35. I think now I would be deciding between two 128MB cards instead of 64MB ones.  
 
Still, the $99 I paid was just downright cheap and it should be good enough until the arrival of Doom3 at which time I will replace it.  In the meantime I can put the money I didn't spend toward a new rig. The 8500 seems hamstrung by a Tbird with SDRAM, only <A HREF="http://service.madonion.com/compare?2k1=3841740" target="_new">8200 3DMarks</A>.
 
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er, yeah, UT2003 was what was used for benchmarks.
 
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Hey so anyone, would you get a GF4 Ti4200 128MB over a Radeon 8500LE 128MB if the price difference were $35CDN (after taxes). $35CDN is about $20USD.
 
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Besides that, I would like to discuss how the Ti200 still holds up the game!
I am surprised and happy as well, to see that my card can play this game at MAX settings in UT2003 at 1024*768 so well. Also they used 256MB DDR, not 512MB, and in WinXP environments, 512MB is a gamer's number.
 
It does show however that the Ti4600 to my eyes, is a powerful contender and it will last for a good while, thanks to its intense speeds and LMA II. As for Radeon 8500 vs Ti4200, it might sometimes compete the Ti4200, but it is NOT to be taken as a reason to buy it just for one area where it wins. The Ti420