By reading the THG article, I fall in love with GeForce3.
I'm geek and I want this very badly.
Unfortunately, nVidia only support toy OS.
I use BeOS, and it seems I can only wait for ATi Radeon2.

Long Live ATi for supporting BeOS.

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ATI supports BeoS? Really? Don't know much about BeoS. Can you fill us in?

>ATI supports BeoS? Really?

According to this, ATi & 3DFx support BeOS.
http://www.benews.com/story/3760
http://www.benews.com/story/3587

>Don't know much about BeoS. Can you fill us in?

BeOS is a new OS created from scracth.
It's more advance than Linux (Linux is based on Unix)
and it's more advance than WinNT (NT is based on Windows)
You could find some BeOS news on
* http://www.benews.com
* http://www.beoscentral.com

Or download BeOS from:
* http://free.be.com
* http://www.gobe.com
* http://www.bebits.com

some BeOS tips:
http://ww.betips.net

NVidia say no to BeOS.
http://www.benews.com/story/3813



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By "toy OS" I assume you mean those with an installed base greater than 10k. I'm sure if BEOS ever took off, then nVidia would support it. Seems kind of nonsensical right now. In fact, if I were ATI, I would worry about getting Win2k right before worrying about BEOS.

Exactly. What's the point in supporting an OS that has hardly any users? Companies will support the one that will win them the most customers first and work down the list from there.

What's the point of using an OS that has NONE of the software support that I need? I think if any OS could be called a 'toy OS', it's BeOS. Think about it. It's written by a bunch of people with nothing better to do. It has crap for hardware support. It has crap for software titles. It's only used by people too cheap to pay the people that have worked hard to write good code. Even Linux is more accepted than BeOS, and it's only major selling point is the price. Yes, Linux is better than Windows in some ways. But it's user interface still needs a LOT of work to be as stong and user-friendly as Windows.

BeOS? It's the toyest of all the OS's out there.

Pah.

I'll use my Windows system and have my GeForce3 right when it comes out, thank you very much. And then I'll play every game that comes out then and supports it, all right then. I'll have driver revisions when they're needed. I'll have software patches when they're needed. Why? Because I use Windows.

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Well slvr_phoneix,
I wonder why you hate BeOS so much.
Every time I post some message in THG about BeOS.
You quickly make BeOS look ugly.

>Exactly. What's the point in supporting an OS that has hardly any users?

BeOS has more than 50,000 active user (use it as primary OS).
But that's not important.

>Companies will support the one that will win them the most customers
>first and work down the list from there.

That's absolutely right.
And Be doesn't asked nVidia to write driver for BeOS either.
Be just asked nVidia to give them document for writing a good driver for nVidia.
And will give the source back to nVidia after it's finnished.
Basically, Be give nVidia their enginner to wrote the driver.

>What's the point of using an OS that has NONE of the software support that I need?

There you go.
THG is not about *YOU*.
If you don't want to use BeOS that's fine.
But there might be other user that feel BeOS is for them.
Please don't discredit BeOS like this.
I was an OS/2 & Win95 user.
And then became full Win9x user.
Dual boot with BeOS for several months.
Then because full BeOS user.
And I do feel that BeOS has all the software I need.

>I think if any OS could be called a 'toy OS', it's BeOS.

Windows is the toy OS.
Some BeOS user that dual boot with Windows called Window a toy OS, because
they use BeOS for every day use & Window for play games.

>Think about it. It's written by a bunch of people with nothing better to do.

BeOS is not Linux.
BeOS is commercial OS that were written by the best OS team I ever known.
I used Linux, Windows, OS/2 & BeOS, and I feel BeOS is the best.
(I haven't tried QNX yet).

I dare you to post this crap on http://www.benews.com.

>It has crap for hardware support. It has crap for software titles.

It's not

>It's only used by people too cheap to pay the people that
>have worked hard to write good code.

What do you mean by that.
Could you give me some proved.
I've used BeOS for more than a year.
And this is the biggest BeOS FUD.

>Even Linux is more accepted than BeOS,
>and it's only major selling point is the price.
>Yes, Linux is better than Windows in some ways.
>But it's user interface still needs a LOT of work
>to be as stong and user-friendly as Windows.

Linux is better than Window in server, but not in home/office user.
Linux is better than BeOS in Server, but not in home/office user.
BeOS is better than Linux/Window in home/office user.

>BeOS? It's the toyest of all the OS's out there.
>Pah.

I wonder why you hate BeOS so much without ever trying it.

>I'll use my Windows system and have my GeForce3 right when it comes out,
>thank you very much. And then I'll play every game that comes out then
>and supports it, all right then. I'll have driver revisions when they're
>needed. I'll have software patches when they're needed. Why? Because I use Windows.

pitty you.
used by MS
tricked by MS

money gone to MS for nothing
brain wash by MS
pitty you.

Anyway,
Have you ever heard about 'user base'?
That's mean a company sometimes lose some to expand the user base.
And ATi doing a great job in BeOS.
nVidia will have a hard time in BeOS by the time they support BeOS.
Because BeOS user that buy ATi will remember nVidia reluctant in BeOS,
and will choose ATi over nVidia if the price/performance not far apart.

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>By "toy OS" I assume you mean those with an installed base greater than 10k.
>I'm sure if BEOS ever took off, then nVidia would support it.

I really hope so.
It seems a bit imposible right now because nVidia has been laid by MS.

>Seems kind of nonsensical right now.

See...
This is a chicken and egg problem (catch-22).

If BeOS wanted to success it should have supported A, B & C.
But in order A, B & C to support BeOS, it should be success first.

>In fact, if I were ATI, I would worry about getting Win2k right before worrying about BEOS.

You were right.
ATi doesn't build driver for BeOS.
But when Be talked to ATi that they want to support Radeon & Rage, ATi give Be the documentation.
Whereas, nVidia refuse to give Be the needed documentation to support TNT/GeForce.
And nVidia doesn't want to build for the driver either.

And nVidia already stated that they *WOULD* never support BeOS.
It's a pitty.
Such a great product, but I can't use (and won't recomended it to a friend either).

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See the ATi Radeon Benchmark (BeOS vs. Windows)
http://www.benews.com/story/3587

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First off, I gotta tell ya, the BeOS chicken and egg paradox is not nvidia's to solve. If they really want to be a "company," then it rests on BE and BE alone. That nvidia doesn't want the hassle of working with BE to ensure that their drivers work for a puny 50k market seems to be a pretty wise decision, in my business opinion. It's not as simple as "giving the documentation" since, at the end of the day, someone has to support the driver.

Second, as for them saying "never," what any business means is "never until I think I can make a real profit in that market." If BeOS took off, by some miracle of God, then nVidia would have a driver out in 3 months time.

Third, what exactly is at this link if not a BEOS driver for all nvidia products? http://www.bebits.com/app/1622

Lastly, why wouldn't you recommend it to a friend who uses Win9x? Are you that petty that you'd rather have your *friend* get a lesser card because you chose a mickey mouse OS? (No offense to ATI, as the point is more whether this guy would actually be unbiased if the OS were different)

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This BeOS actually looks interesting, one problem....I play online games, surf the net, run a website and temp servers at time, and program (windows visual c++) as well as use basic word processing etc etc.....what can I use BeOS for, what is it compadible with?

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Linux is better than Window in server, but not in home/office user.
Linux is better than BeOS in Server, but not in home/office user.
BeOS is better than Linux/Window in home/office user

The newer versions of Linux (I use Caldera) is pretty damn good for home use. Runs all the games I play, GIMP is fantastic and I've never managed to crash it. Still have win 98 for some of the other software (Bryce, Truespace and a few games that don't support Linux).

But Linux is growing for home use. (BTW I use Caldera on my server too)

I have to admit the Beos disc that I have has never been in one of my machines - never had the time to try it out.

Hmmmm... Donuts

>First off, I gotta tell ya, the BeOS chicken and egg paradox is not nvidia's to solve.
>If they really want to be a "company," then it rests on BE and BE alone.
>That nvidia doesn't want the hassle of working with BE to ensure that their drivers work for
>a puny 50k market seems to be a pretty wise decision,

You were right here.

>in my business opinion. It's not as simple as "giving the documentation" since, at the end of the day,
>someone has to support the driver.

Be support all the driver that were in BeOS.
All the printer, video card, sound card, NIC driver were
supported under Be Inc.

>Second, as for them saying "never," what any business means is "never until I think I can make a real profit
>in that market." If BeOS took off, by some miracle of God, then nVidia would have a driver out in 3 months time.

You were right. But right now, nVidia has a very bad 'brand' in our community. People that defect from nVidia to ATi vows not to buy nVidia product anymore because they angry with nVidia attitude. And if ATi card can live up to what BeOS user expect. Brand loyalty on ATi will raise, and nVidia will have a hard time entering this market.

>Third, what exactly is at this link if not a BEOS driver for all nvidia products? http://www.bebits.com/app/1622

It's only 2D driver. And it were made by Be. Supported by Be Inc.
nVidia gave Be the 2D specs but not the 3D specs.

>Lastly, why wouldn't you recommend it to a friend who uses Win9x? Are you that petty that you'd rather have your
>*friend* get a lesser card because you chose a mickey mouse OS? (No offense to ATI, as the point is more whether
>this guy would actually be unbiased if the OS were different)

I'm sorry if I'm not clear. I don't really mean that.
If you read my other statement:
"Because BeOS user that buy ATi will remember
nVidia reluctant in BeOS, and will choose ATi
over nVidia if the price/performance not far apart."
I mean:
If ATi card and nVidia card price/performance not far apart.
Then I will defenetely suggest ATi card. For example.
I recomend ATi Radeon 32MB DDR over GeForceMX. And I
recomend ATi Radeon 64MB DDR over GeForce2GTS. But if
my friend wanted more power such as GF2Ultra or the
new GF3, then nVidia is the only choice.

PS:For your information I use TNT2Ultra right now.
And I want to upgrade a video card.
I *WOULD* like to buy GeForce 2/3 if I can, because
I like nVidia product. And I know the quality is perfect.
(that's why I wrote in this forum.... hey nVidia please hear me).
I never use ATi before and I don't have any experience with it.
I'm scared of using ATi product.
But if I bought Radeon, and statisfied with Radeon,
Then the next card (after the Radeon) will be ATi card.
(Because I tend to buy from the same manufacture if I statisfied).

PPS: I complaint here because I love & care nVidia. And time is running out for my upgrade cycle

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>This BeOS actually looks interesting, one problem....I play online games, surf the net,
>run a website and temp servers at time, and program (windows visual c++) as well as use
>basic word processing etc etc.....what can I use BeOS for, what is it compadible with?

Well, BeOS is new.
And it doesn't have all kind of software.
If you want to use BeOS right now, you can only use it for
surf the net (Mozilla 0.8, Opera 3.62, N+), run a web site (Robin Hood, Apache). Basic Word Processing (Gobe, Abi Word).
To program you will need BeIDE (free from http://free.be.com), but it's not compatible with Windows.
About online game, you can't use it with BeOS yet. That's why some of us still have Windows & BeOS at the same time. And that's why I called Windows the toy OS.


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>>Linux is better than Window in server, but not in home/office user.
>>Linux is better than BeOS in Server, but not in home/office user.
>>BeOS is better than Linux/Window in home/office user

>The newer versions of Linux (I use Caldera) is pretty damn good for home use. Runs all the games I play,
>GIMP is fantastic and I've never managed to crash it. Still have win 98 for some of the other software
>(Bryce, Truespace and a few games that don't support Linux).
>But Linux is growing for home use. (BTW I use Caldera on my server too)

You right.
Linux is going better and better for home use.
And the number of user growing too.
But from easy of use, easy of maintain BeOS still wayyy ahead of Linux in home use. BeOS even more user friendly than MacOS.
(I knwe it, several of my friend use Linux as home desktop)

>I have to admit the Beos disc that I have has never been in one of my machines - never had the time to try it out.



Linux for Server
BeOS for home use.
BeOS/Linux beat Win9x/WinNT

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