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The news is finally out... LG is the latest licensee for PalmOS

http://www.palmsource.com/press/2005/070605_lg.html


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mike wrote:

>
> The news is finally out... LG is the latest licensee for PalmOS
>
> http://www.palmsource.com/press/2005/070605_lg.html

Woohoo. Now I'm _real_ glad that I dragged my feet on getting a Treo. I
really want to see what the Koreans come up with.

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It is alleged that J. Clarke claimed:

; Woohoo. Now I'm _real_ glad that I dragged my feet on getting a Treo. I
; really want to see what the Koreans come up with.

Unless they've been working on one for some time already, it will be a
while before they come out with anything.

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Yay more smartphones. *fart*

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Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

> It is alleged that J. Clarke claimed:
>
> ; Woohoo. Now I'm _real_ glad that I dragged my feet on getting a Treo.
> I ; really want to see what the Koreans come up with.
>
> Unless they've been working on one for some time already, it will be a
> while before they come out with anything.

May be worth the wait. Who knows, they may actually put something on the
market with PalmOS 6. I don't need a PDA phone that badly that I can't
wait a while and see what they're going to do.

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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:37:59 -0400, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote:


>Woohoo. Now I'm _real_ glad that I dragged my feet on getting a Treo. I
>really want to see what the Koreans come up with.

Funny really as the next incarnation of the Treo will likely have
linux on it. from all acounts..

P

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Pete wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:37:59 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>>Woohoo. Now I'm _real_ glad that I dragged my feet on getting a Treo. I
>>really want to see what the Koreans come up with.
>
> Funny really as the next incarnation of the Treo will likely have
> linux on it. from all acounts..

Well sorta--the next generation of PalmOS will apparently have a Linux
kernel--that doesn't mean that it's going to have a command line or be able
to run Open Office or that PalmOS is going to go Open Source.

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It is alleged that J. Clarke claimed:

; May be worth the wait. Who knows, they may actually put something on the
; market with PalmOS 6. I don't need a PDA phone that badly that I can't
; wait a while and see what they're going to do.

I did. I had to change my cellular service provider.

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Hello, Pete !
You wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:37:59 -0400, "J. Clarke"
> <jclarke.usenet@snet.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Woohoo. Now I'm _real_ glad that I dragged my feet on getting a Treo.
> >I
> >really want to see what the Koreans come up with.
>
> Funny really as the next incarnation of the Treo will likely have
> linux on it. from all acounts..
>
It will probably take a year or two for PalmSource to create a new OS
based on the Linux kernel. Figure another year for OEMs to actually build
palmlinux devices. I'd figure at least two, possibly three, new Treos
before something running Linux is available.
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In article <BEF445B8yf@ameritech.net>, NOSPAMrobertocastillo@ameritech.net
(Zombie Elvis) wrote:

> It will probably take a year or two for PalmSource to create a new OS
> based on the Linux kernel.

Didn't a PalmSource press release say they'd like to release something in
a year? And that they've suspended development on everything else (!) to
focus on the Linux whatever.

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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005, at 11:37:59 [GMT -0400] (01:37:59 Friday, 8 July 2005
where I live) "J. Clarke" wrote:

> Now I'm _real_ glad that I dragged my feet on getting a Treo. I
> really want to see what the Koreans come up with.

Prolly at least 12 months away?

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John Phillips wrote:

> On Thu, 07 Jul 2005, at 11:37:59 [GMT -0400] (01:37:59 Friday, 8 July 2005
> where I live) "J. Clarke" wrote:
>
>> Now I'm _real_ glad that I dragged my feet on getting a Treo. I
>> really want to see what the Koreans come up with.
>
> Prolly at least 12 months away?

Probably. Means that I don't spend 500 bucks on a toy that I need like I
need fangs and a tail for at least 12 months. Now, watch the SOBs put
something on the market next week that's irresistable and costs 800 bucks.

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> Probably. Means that I don't spend 500 bucks on a toy that I need like I
> need fangs and a tail for at least 12 months. Now, watch the SOBs put
> something on the market next week that's irresistable and costs 800 bucks.

I'm about to buy a Tungsten T5 so be on the lookout for either better models
for the
same price or steep price drops on the existing models (or both!) just after
I get mine!

Tom Lake

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It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs
and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness:
guy@ether.net (Guy Bannis) wrote in
<guy-0807051405150001@192.168.1.103>:

> In article <BEF445B8yf@ameritech.net>, NOSPAMrobertocastillo@ameritech.net
> (Zombie Elvis) wrote:
>
> > It will probably take a year or two for PalmSource to create a new OS
> > based on the Linux kernel.
>
> Didn't a PalmSource press release say they'd like to release something in
> a year? And that they've suspended development on everything else (!) to
> focus on the Linux whatever.

I did say a year or two. So if PalmSource says they'll release
something within a year, that's about what I suggested. Also keep in
mind that Cobalt was released to OEMs a year ago and has yet to appear
in an actual retail product. Maybe LG will even be the first to
release a Cobalt unit.

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In article <rro0d1t85q6mn3pm74i020uc2plk6jim5k@4ax.com>,
robertocastillo@ameritech.net wrote:

> It was a time of great turmoil. The strong preyed on the weak, dogs
> and cats lived together. One voice cried out in the wilderness:
> guy@ether.net (Guy Bannis) wrote in
> <guy-0807051405150001@192.168.1.103>:
>
> > In article <BEF445B8yf@ameritech.net>, NOSPAMrobertocastillo@ameritech.net
> > (Zombie Elvis) wrote:
> >
> > > It will probably take a year or two for PalmSource to create a new OS
> > > based on the Linux kernel.
> >
> > Didn't a PalmSource press release say they'd like to release something in
> > a year? And that they've suspended development on everything else (!) to
> > focus on the Linux whatever.
>
> I did say a year or two. So if PalmSource says they'll release
> something within a year, that's about what I suggested. Also keep in
> mind that Cobalt was released to OEMs a year ago and has yet to appear
> in an actual retail product. Maybe LG will even be the first to
> release a Cobalt unit.

Not contradicting you. Just pointing out what PalmSource had to say.

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Zombie Elvis wrote:
> I did say a year or two. So if PalmSource says they'll release
> something within a year, that's about what I suggested. Also keep in
> mind that Cobalt was released to OEMs a year ago and has yet to appear
> in an actual retail product.

*Supposedly* one of the virtues of the new Linux-kernel-based Palm OS
is that it should be easier to port to new hardware. That's because
Linux is said to be so popular in the embedded world, that most new
hardware[1] that a Palm OS licensee (PalmOne, etc.) would use in a new
device will already have Linux support.

I've heard from a reliable source that one of the lessons learned
with the first version of Cobalt (Palm OS 6.0) is that there was
just a WHOLE lot of work for a licensee to do to make an actual
working device, and that one of the big improvements with the next
version (6.1) is that PalmSource has tried to integrate lots of
that stuff into the OS (especially support for phone things) so
that there is less work for a licensee to do when they want to take
the generic Palm OS 6.x and put it on a device they're designing.

The point? Yes, I do have one, actually... The point is that IF
all this stuff works as they intend, and IF Linux really does make
it that much easier to make a real device, maybe they will succeed
in one thing with Linux-kernel-based Cobalt: making it easier, and
thus quicker, for a licensee to make the appropriate customizations
for their device. And if they can do that, then perhaps it will be
possible for the first Linux-kernel-based-Cobalt devices to be
released as a retail product *less* than a year after that software
is released by PalmSource to a licensee.


Another whole dimension to the speculation is the concept of buy-in
from licensees. PalmSource can make Cobalt and make it as great as
they want, but if the licensees aren't motivated to make the switch
at the time that PalmSource makes a release, then the delay after
release to the licensees will be huge. So that brings up the question
of licensee buy-in for original Cobalt[2] versus licensee buy-in for
Linux Cobalt. It could well be that PalmOne looked with excitement
at original Cobalt and the project somehow failed, and now they
just yawn when they think of new Linux Cobalt. Or, it could be the
other way around: it's possible they yawned at original Cobalt but
finally decided they would really like Cobalt if it were Linux-based
and maybe even instigated the Linux conversion thing (i.e. told
PalmSource "we'll adopt it if you do the Linux thing, because the
Linux thing will really help us" ).

Personally, I think it's reasonable hypothesis that the timing of
this $30 million (or whatever) that PalmOne gave PalmSource a few
weeks ago (to buy their half of the rights to the "Palm" name) and
the announcement that PalmSource will be totally focusing on Linux
are not coincidental. IMHO, it could be an understanding between
PalmOne and PalmSource that PalmOne wants the Linux thing and is
willing to pay PalmSource to go in that direction. But, like any
hypothesis, that could be totally off the mark.

- Logan

[1] display drivers, touch screen A/D converters, processors,
flash controllers, etc., etc.

[2] Part of me really wants to call it "Cobalt classic", but
then it's hard for a product to be a classic when it hasn't
ever actually sold any units...