Go get 'em, dudes.

I told you it would be monday.

<font color=red>GeneticWeapon</font color=red> = "Optimized"

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Just wanted to add clickables.

Thank you.

<font color=red>GeneticWeapon</font color=red> = "Optimized"

Brave people!

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Hmmm.

Does that mean only the ones that were "found" have been removed...?
Strange wording.

I hope Nvidia keeps cheating. I like inflated scores, and I plan on bragging about them when I benchmark tomarrow.
I hope my Ti4200 kicks 3DMark2001SE's ass.
I cant install my card untill tomarrow because my girlfriend bought it for me, and tomarrows my 34th birthday

<font color=red>GeneticWeapon</font color=red> = "Optimized"

Oh dear i think i need to send u that 9700 asap lol!

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<font color=red>GeneticWeapon</font color=red> = "Optimized"

Yes get your buggy ATi driver fix at once.

PS do the math: 300 fixes in a year!

<b>Fixed in this driver:</b>
The system is not responding when playing Quake II with the OpenGL option set to default, and the video mode set to 1024x768 is now resolved
Setting the display resolution to 1027x768 and running the Unreal Tournament 2003 benchmark with Anti-Aliasing enabled, no longer results in the system rebooting
The system rebooting when attempting to start a new game of Ballistic Forces is now resolved
Enabling Direct3D as the rendering device and setting the display resolution to 1600x1200 in the game Descent 3 no longer results in the game failing to play
The shadow flickering beneath the car when choosing Quick Race in Nascar Racing 2003 is now resolved
Setting the display resolution to 1024x768 32bpp and enabling OpenGL no longer results in the ground being discolored in the game IL2 Forgotten Battles
Connecting a secondary display and enabling extended desktop, followed by running Soldier of Fortune 2 no longer results in a flickering display
The game Unreal Tournament 2003 no longer hangs when loading the CTF-December level
The game Unreal Tournament 2003 no longer displays corruption when Anti-Alasing is enabled
Setting the display options to 1600x1200 32bpp in the Hot Wheels Velocity X game no longer results in the menu screen not being displayed
Display corruption is no longer noticed when playing the game Earth 2150 and the game resolution is set to 1024x768
Playing the game Nascar Racing 2003 in OpenGL mode no longer results in the display going black
Exiting the game Age of Empire II no longer results in display not being restored properly
Playing the game Serious Sam 2 with the display resolution set to 1024x768 32bpp no longer results in the wrong OpenGL renderer being listed when setting the graphics to OpenGL
The game A Tale in the Desert no longer pauses during game play and no longer causes the system to randomly stop responding
Enabling Pixel Shaders in the game Asheron's Call 2 no longer results in display corruption appearing as the game is played
Playing the game Project IGI2: Covert Strike with a RADEON™ 9700 series card installed in t

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Man you switch sides too easily!

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I'd rather have fixes than cheats any day. An don't pretend Nvidia doesn't have bugs galore. You can't be that ignorant of a card your about o buy. Unless you really do work for thei PR deparment, and get payed o look the other way.


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Eden happy Stjean! Go drink some Maudite and eat some Sugar Pie!

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Hmmm, let me just pick a few fixes:
*The game Unreal Tournament 2003 no longer hangs when loading the CTF-December level
*The game Unreal Tournament 2003 no longer displays corruption when Anti-Alasing is enabled

....a little late with the fixes. Problems like this I would think someone would start sending parts back and begin the format process.

……..display corruption, texture disappearing, Objects flickering, hangs, system is not responding, system rebooting, display going black, pauses, shadow flickering ect, ect……
If the driver issue is a thing of the past, I sure hate to see what they were like in the past.

Well for me this kind of trouble would be unacceptable. Since Nv is working with game programmers and making sure they use Nv card and test on them first, also Nv logo are on some games and some places require a Nv cards, I would say that puts Nv right up there for compatible. Leaving ATi to fix any problems that will follow, hack a lot of test can’t be run, because the drivers for ATi card doesn’t work or doesn’t do them justice, but later they come back with a driver, hmm, wonder who is really doing the optimizing. Let alone there is no telling how long the fixes will take for a game to come out, or if they will catch them all, guess mean while you may have to reboot your system just like back in the good old 9X days, until they do get the fix you need. Nv bug galore, ok if you say so, though I don’t recall such issue and I doubt very much it would hold a candle to ATi bug galore. I heard of a few problems with the FX driver, but let’s cut them some slack, since ATi gets all the slack in the world, fare? I don’t think so, giving ATi cards have been out longer, and Nv has been under change.

Is Nv cheating? I guess that all depends who you ask. I’m sure each card does the best they can to make there card look good, and ATi has had longer to do so. I like to consider it optimizing there drivers, since they both do that, why wouldn’t they? Be it by programming or what not, sometimes the fat has to be cut somewhere, which I can understand. Show me two still pic’s of cut IQ and let me decide. Either way I don’t get that deep into it like some of you do, besides no matter what there is no convincing the ATi fanb’s. All the test I see show Nv as the faster card, some are back and fourth, either way one doesn’t really blow the other away, but regardless it’s still the same old story that Nv is cheating. No matter if these test where just done with recognition of the optimizing, and in fact no matter what as long as the Nv comes out on top it must have been done with cheating drivers. If ATi comes out on top then that must be accurate test, where Nv couldn’t cheat. Maybe we should count the test that ATi can’t run and give them a big 0 for that test, instead of giving them the chance to come back with an optimized driver, but only Nv does that, ATi is as clean as a whistle.

It doesn’t seem like there is any end to the Nv is a cheat or there cards suck, so lets all just recommend ATi cards based on that, even if the fact is the FX card kicks ass. But hay lets not forget the driver issue with the ATi cards, or the h3ll some people will go threw getting these cards to work, especially the ones that had a Nv card previously. So sure Nv is a big cheat, there cards suck, and ATi is the only way to go there cards are perfect, not a single problem, and these two drivers fixes don’t mean or say squat.

ATI Catalyst 3.4 Drivers..

Fixed in this driver:

* The display corruption noticed around the wheels in the game FI Racing Championship is now resolved
* The health meter not being drawn in the game Bounty Hunter is now resolved
* Texture corruption in the game Combat Flight Simulator 3 is now resolved
* The binocular view not displaying properly in the game Project IGI2 is now resolved
* Objects flickering in and out of view when playing Deadly Demo is now resolved
* The display corruption noticed in Battlecruiser Millennium when placing the mouse cursor over the menu buttons is now resolved
* The ground color not displaying correctly when playing the Jurassic Park demo is now resolved
* The display corruption noticed when playing Heli Heroes is now resolved
* The texture disappearing in the game AirStrike3D is now resolved
* The General Protection Fault error appearing when playing Unreal 2; The Awakening is now resolved
* The system not responding with playing the game SimCity 4 is now resolved
* The system not responding when task switching between an OpenGL game and the desktop is now resolved
* Full Screen Anti-Aliasing not being available when playing Anarchy Online is now resolved
* The system failing to respond after pressing the ESC key when playing Half-life Counter Strike is now resolved
* The display corruption noticed when running the CodeCreatures benchmark in a system contining a RADEON™ 9200 is now resolved
* The display corruption issue when using the send to DV camera feature found in MovieMaker2 is now resolved
* Playing *.rm files using the RealPlayer with Overlay Theater Mode enabled no longer results in screen corruption being displayed on a secondary CRT
* TV performance being slow and choppy when running an application in the background is now resolved
* The display corruption noticed when playing a DVD in TV Theater mode on a secondary display is now resolved
* The ATI D3D/OpenGL tab not retaining the correct format when a secondary CRT is connected is now resolved
* The display panel's icons disappearing when using an FPD and TV is now resolved
* The system not responding after previewing the 3D Liquid Desktop screensaver is now resolved
* The overlay pixel duplication noticed when the display resolution is set above 1600x1200 is now resolved
* The resolution changing to 640x480 32bpp when checking the optimized format for 480i in the YpbPR settings page is now resolved
* The display corruption noticed when a system returns from hibernate mode is now resolved
* The blue box border noticed around cached URL addresses is now resolved
* The system not responding when hot plugging a DFP monitor is now resolved
* A TV connection being falsely detected when booting the system is now resolved
* Only half of the image being displayed on an HDTV when outputting from the VGA connector is now resolved
* An error message being displayed when attempting to install the display driver from the ATI web site is now resolved


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Strange that I play most of those games and never had any problems. 9700pro user here btw. Dont take things so seriously lol... Honestly, Ati is just listening to its customers and fixing problems that occur in very rare situations most of the time. So when they say this driver fixes this game they mean that on a few systems this driver fixes this problem on this specific card. In reality most people dont have a problem.

I play UT2003 loads and it never crashes/hangs or displays corruption for example. But 1% of people out there will have a specific card on a specific motherboard using a version of an agp driver that might cause a problem, and this fixes it.

On the whole cheating issue, ATI admitted to "optimising" in the last release and removed them from this one, while Nvidea still say their innocent...lol

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Well an NV fanboi can't be convinced either. Why should we cut NV any slack, aren't they the Rock of Gibraltar? Oh it's a new process. Yeah that's it, whatever. They BOTH have issues, but your love of NV makes you blind to the issues alot of people have. Fine you haven't had an issue, probably because you're very limited in your experience. I haven't had many ATI issues, but that IS because I only play a few games that there have been FEW issues for (Morrowind Truform issue is an issue with a 'hacked patch' not Ati's fault).

BTW, link to a list (like Rage3D) you KNOB, instead of wasting so much space.

And I guess Nvidia fans are fine with poor quality images a that's why they bought their cards instead of ones with better quality picture. If you want stills just read the threads in here instead of sharing NV PR. Go to HardOCP, Beyond3D, Anadntech. All of them have extensive examples of the poor IQ of Nvidia's cards. Just look for the FutureMurk articles too to see examples of ever changing IQ to improve scores.
Nv hides their failures in hopes that people don't notice, ATI's been pretty candid about their issues and have done a pretty good job fixing them. Fat is that the fixes mean they are better not current issues. That makes hem better. And 'the way it's meant to be played' hasn't kept issus from kreeping up in the NV camp either. So it simply a PR ploy. Kinda like your post.

Now respond again and try and double you post length again, because volume will = quality; well at least that would be typical NV PR. Bigger Specs, Faster Speed, More Noise! Yipee!


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Urgh! Where's my fanboi spray?

ATI vs Nvidia is so last year...

(yay for new drivers)

Yes I am a Fanboi, but the funny thing is it's for Matrox. Just can't buy one of their cards right now! Oh well wasted enthusiasm!

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