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Was on the verge of getting a Treo 650 palm based smart
phone.

But there are things it lacks....wifi being one of
them.

Should a person keep his cell phone and PDA separate?

Or is it better to "combine" them ala "smarthphone"?

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me@privacy.net wrote:
> Was on the verge of getting a Treo 650 palm based smart
> phone.
>
> But there are things it lacks....wifi being one of
> them.
>
> Should a person keep his cell phone and PDA separate?
>
> Or is it better to "combine" them ala "smarthphone"?

I think that the future all will become integrated.

If you are going to buy now think seriously in get only 1 device integrated,

you have also other options like sonyericsson P900 series (Symbian OS)
but I prefer Palm.

There are disadvantages in terms of with these smartphones: they are not
so portable like the small phones today so take your time to think if
you really want to pay this price to have all in one device.

no wifi? There is no perfect device: it will always lack a detail when
you see the details pane carefully.

good luck.

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In article <2b2q91tdal0ivuc6egcvtqri43bev2t8q6@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
wrote:

> Was on the verge of getting a Treo 650 palm based smart
> phone.
>
> But there are things it lacks....wifi being one of
> them.
>
> Should a person keep his cell phone and PDA separate?
>
> Or is it better to "combine" them ala "smarthphone"?

A person should keep them separate if one wants to carry two devices.

I love my Kyocera 7135. Had to replace one that went overboard.

One device to sync. One charger to carry, One device to remember where
it is. All my phone contacts and schedule with my phone. The ability to
bring along a folding keyboard and work for hours on a plane.

As the other poster states, there will always be features you want that
are not included with those you need -- unless you invent your own
smartphone.

harlan

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Harlan Lachman wrote:

> In article <2b2q91tdal0ivuc6egcvtqri43bev2t8q6@4ax.com>, me@privacy.net
> wrote:
>
>> Was on the verge of getting a Treo 650 palm based smart
>> phone.
>>
>> But there are things it lacks....wifi being one of
>> them.
>>
>> Should a person keep his cell phone and PDA separate?
>>
>> Or is it better to "combine" them ala "smarthphone"?
>
> A person should keep them separate if one wants to carry two devices.
>
> I love my Kyocera 7135. Had to replace one that went overboard.
>
> One device to sync. One charger to carry, One device to remember where
> it is. All my phone contacts and schedule with my phone. The ability to
> bring along a folding keyboard and work for hours on a plane.
>
> As the other poster states, there will always be features you want that
> are not included with those you need -- unless you invent your own
> smartphone.
>
> harlan

I used to keep the two separate (to be honest, no integration was available
at the time) and I now have no cellular phone. In my case, it just became
quite unnecessary.

My experience has taught me that it is valuable, as was said already, to
have one charger, one bulgy object in your pocket plus the ability to
combine the power of both. Imagine yourself what a nuisance it is to enter
address book entries without a keyboard or a stylus... or write an E-mail
and later synchronise to send it...

Roy

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It is alleged that Harlan Lachman claimed:

; One device to sync. One charger to carry, One device to remember where
; it is. All my phone contacts and schedule with my phone. The ability to

Indeed. That's why I went the smartphone route almost two years ago. I
was tired of wanting to call someone, and having to open up my PDA
because I never copied over the phone number to my cell phone, and
realizing that even the most basic cell phones were including
"smartphone" functions anyway. And needing two pockets or pouches, one
for the phone and one for the PDA.

; As the other poster states, there will always be features you want that

Though often, there are also features that I don't want. Forex, I
really don't want a camera on my phone, and I have no use for either
Bluetooth or WiFi.

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>Indeed. That's why I went the smartphone route almost two years ago

what brand/model do you have?

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Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

> It is alleged that Harlan Lachman claimed:
>
> ; One device to sync. One charger to carry, One device to remember where
> ; it is. All my phone contacts and schedule with my phone. The ability to
>
> Indeed. That's why I went the smartphone route almost two years ago. I
> was tired of wanting to call someone, and having to open up my PDA
> because I never copied over the phone number to my cell phone, and
> realizing that even the most basic cell phones were including
> "smartphone" functions anyway. And needing two pockets or pouches, one
> for the phone and one for the PDA.
>
> ; As the other poster states, there will always be features you want that
>
> Though often, there are also features that I don't want. Forex, I
> really don't want a camera on my phone, and I have no use for either
> Bluetooth or WiFi.

You may find Bluetooth handy with a PDA phone--it's kind of hard to use the
PDA pard while you're holding it up to your ear. Of course a wired headset
does that too but I find the Bluetooth sets more convenient.
>

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It is alleged that me@privacy.net claimed:

; >Indeed. That's why I went the smartphone route almost two years ago
; what brand/model do you have?

Kyocera 7135 via Verizon. They did not have the Treo 600 at that time,
and I did not think it worth paying the early termination fee on top of
the new equipment price to change carriers just to get the Treo.

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Mr. Morden> "Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr.
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It is alleged that J. Clarke claimed:

; > Though often, there are also features that I don't want. Forex, I
; > really don't want a camera on my phone, and I have no use for either
; > Bluetooth or WiFi.
;
; You may find Bluetooth handy with a PDA phone--it's kind of hard to use the
; PDA pard while you're holding it up to your ear. Of course a wired headset
; does that too but I find the Bluetooth sets more convenient.

I've gone almost two years now without needing that.

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Jeffrey Kaplan <cspp@gordol.org> writes:
> It is alleged that J. Clarke claimed:

> > You may find Bluetooth handy with a PDA phone--it's kind of hard
> > to use the PDA pard while you're holding it up to your ear. Of
> > course a wired headset does that too but I find the Bluetooth sets
> > more convenient.
>
> I've gone almost two years now without needing that.

I sometimes use bluetooth to sync my Treo650 with my computer,
but that's about the extent of it. 99% of the time, I leave
bluetooth turned off completely - just wastes battery (on my
previous phone, a non-PDA Sony, leaving BT turned on cut battery
life roughly in half).

And I almost *never* actually hold the phone up to my face.
I use a wired earbud. I've *got* a bluetooth headset, but
I've found that (a) it's another damned battery to keep
charged and (b) coordinating turning it on with using the
phone is just too clunky compared to just using a wired
earbud.

(Jabra Earboom, by the way.)


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>I sometimes use bluetooth to sync my Treo650 with my computer,
>but that's about the extent of it. 99% of the time, I leave
>bluetooth turned off completely - just wastes battery (on my
>previous phone, a non-PDA Sony, leaving BT turned on cut battery
>life roughly in half).
>
>And I almost *never* actually hold the phone up to my face.
>I use a wired earbud. I've *got* a bluetooth headset, but
>I've found that (a) it's another damned battery to keep
>charged and (b) coordinating turning it on with using the
>phone is just too clunky compared to just using a wired
>earbud.
>
>(Jabra Earboom, by the way.)

Thanks good info!

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On Tue, 31 May 2005 20:03:40 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:

>Was on the verge of getting a Treo 650 palm based smart
>phone.
>
>But there are things it lacks....wifi being one of
>them.
>
>Should a person keep his cell phone and PDA separate?
>
>Or is it better to "combine" them ala "smarthphone"?

I'm going to keep carrying two devices for a number of reasons:

1. I'm an old foggy and these new fangled devices confuse me. I'll
stay with paper and pencil (2 devices).

2. If I loose one (short memory span) I've only lost part of what I
need to live.

3. What if I decide to change phone providers? Do I really want to
have to buy another PDA just to switch from Sprint PCS to Verizon?

4. What do I do if the PDA quites working? Send it in for repair and
go without a phone while it's gone.

5. I can get a free phone just by siging a 2 year servce agreement
and a Tungsten E is around $200.00 vs $600 or $700 for an all-in-one
(I'm cheap too).

That's just off the top of my head. If I work at it I could come up
with another 5 or 6 reasons. Ever here of the saying:

"He's a jack-of-all trades and a master of none."

Jack
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>That's just off the top of my head. If I work at it I could come up
>with another 5 or 6 reasons. Ever here of the saying:

Thanks Jack

I appr4eciate your input

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On Thu 02 Jun 2005 07:54:33p, Jack, wrote:

> I'm going to keep carrying two devices for a number of reasons:
>
> 1. I'm an old foggy and these new fangled devices confuse me. I'll
> stay with paper and pencil (2 devices).

Newfangled contraptions! I'll stick with my chisel and stone slab, thank
you. :~]

> 2. If I loose one (short memory span) I've only lost part of what I
> need to live.

You could rely on pure, dumb luck, like me.

> 3. What if I decide to change phone providers? Do I really want to
> have to buy another PDA just to switch from Sprint PCS to Verizon?

But you're going to have to get another phone anyhow.

> 4. What do I do if the PDA quites working? Send it in for repair and
> go without a phone while it's gone.

I think Sprint (for one) gets you a replacement pretty quickly.

> 5. I can get a free phone just by siging a 2 year servce agreement
> and a Tungsten E is around $200.00 vs $600 or $700 for an all-in-one
> (I'm cheap too).

Well... if you are changing service providers (or just want to change
plans) and you're going to sign up for a 2 year contract anyhow, you can
get the Treo 650 for as low as $229 from Cingular, $289 from Sprint, or
$329 from Verizon. I don't know what you have to sign away to get that
price but, if you've been happy with your provider there's probably a
pretty decent chance you'll be with them in a couple years anyhow.

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>get the Treo 650 for as low as $229 from Cingular, $289 from Sprint

is it really that low thru sprint?

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me@privacy.net writes:

> >get the Treo 650 for as low as $229 from Cingular, $289 from Sprint
>
> is it really that low thru sprint?

I thought it was about a hundred more through cingular (I'd
gotten a cingular one via Amazon, but ultimately returned it
and got an unlocked one to use on T-mobile).

Anyway, figure on spending another $70 or so for an SD card
(that's about the rate for a 1GB card, which I certainly
would not do without). And probably another hundred or so
for various bits of software. Of the things I use most on mine
few were free. (ie. SnapperEmail, Verichat, MemoSafe, though
other folks use other things, of course)


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On Fri 03 Jun 2005 08:35:08a, , wrote:

>>get the Treo 650 for as low as $229 from Cingular, $289 from Sprint
>
> is it really that low thru sprint?

"After the rebate." <-- don't you hate those words?

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RonB wrote:

> "After the rebate." <-- don't you hate those words?
>
oh yes. I really rate it.

Franco
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"Jack" <jackj1//hates spam//@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 31 May 2005 20:03:40 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:
>
>
> 3. What if I decide to change phone providers? Do I really want to
> have to buy another PDA just to switch from Sprint PCS to Verizon?
>

Buy the unblocked version and then you are not restricted to a carrier. For
GSM version, this has the added advantage of using local prepaid SIM card
when you travel abroad. You do not want to find out your carrier's
international roaming charges!