For once i want to see what is out there for a knowledge base of the amd and intel users. I want to hear facts no opinions on which one is better.

SPUD

I saw the future it gave me a big intel hug

AMD is better cuz since most of us are gamers then AMD Athlon runs better than P-III & 4.
Also Athlon is MUCH more cheaper and mainly performs better than Intel's CPU.

So AMD is MUCH more better!

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Micro$oft is <font color=red>EVIL!</font color=red>

I said facts only not opinions. Im a gamer too i dont run AMD because of the motherboards have had issues and my experience with the k6-2 bla.

P3600E 440bx 256mb pc100 viper2 it works fer me

SPUD

I saw the future it gave me a big intel hug

From the very beginning all (I mean all) MS and the most software out there was and is written on Intel chips. Rest of it I let you figure out for yerself… hehehe

"akuna mutata" braza...

That to me means nothin oh its optimized by a few intruction sets wow come guys your so smart tell me specs stats i dont care what you think you know i want to know what you know facts and only facts the only way we can solve the mistery of whos better

SPUD

I saw the future it gave me a big intel hug

The Athlon is a fast, inexpensive alternative to the Pentium. The Athlon performs better in many of the popular benchmarks(i.e. Sysmark,etc). Intel is historically more "stable". If your a hobbiest and enjoy tweaking and primping your machine(like me!), go with Athlon. If you don't mind spending more money, want more stability, and brag that you got an Intel inside, go with Pentium. Also, Athlons are known to have heat issues but if you're even attempting to build a system, you should know how to properly cool your CPU.

<font color=green> I LOVE INTEL. It tastes like chicken </font color=green>

I repeat for Spudit people (not very smart ones), all the software is written on Intel chips. Repeat - INTEL CHIPS. Now, if you can use any of part of yer brain, you can guess, what is better, and more compatible with the software, and has better optimization, and hardware bug fixes withing the software, and ... yada, yada...
If you do not know what is reverse engineering (AMD), I could explain... heh

Post, we'll do the search...

<b>I said facts only not opinions. Im a gamer too i dont run AMD because of the motherboards have had issues and my experience with the k6-2 bla.</b>
Yours, too, is only an opinion! IMO, You would never get facts about which one (Intel or AMD) is better but only opinions because it depends on which one suits your need!
<b>P3600E 440bx 256mb pc100 viper2 it works fer me</b>
Well, even my old K6-3@400 is good for me.

spud you really suck. if one company was clearly better the other one wouldnt be around. amd and intel both have different strengths and weaknesses. it depends what situation youre in as to what solution is right for you.



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The truth is niether

AMD has lack of thermal protection
P4 has a weak FPU and the P3 is much better still isn't as strong as teh Athlon
AMD are a smaller company then intel and cannot supply the same quantity of CPU's to the Market.
BOTH are big corps out for profit and nothing more
Intel has more wide spread support for it's Instructions sets and has faster uptake of any new standard
AMD Makes very good CPU's
Intel Makes very good CPU's
Athlons have less chipsets around than PIII's , P4 have less than Athlons
P4 cannot yet be used to it's full potential
AMD has not yet got SMP for any of it's CPU's
P4 does not yet have SMP
AMD CPU's run hotter than intel CPU's
Athlons use more power than PIII's but P4 uses more than PIII as well.
PIII and the Athlon have hardware compatability isues , bbut the Athlon has more(Don't know about the P4)
Athlons(T'Bird) are cheaper than P4 but are a little dated now but they still are cheaper than PIII but not by much
Intel has a better Brand Name
Intel has server CPU's AMD doesn't

The truth of the matter is pick the cpu that is best for you not because it is Intel or AMD look at each CPU on it's own merits and what you are going to use it for , for god sake don't buy a CPU cos it can encode Mpeg much faster if you mainly play Quake on it.....


M

Opinions are like arseholes .... everybody’s got one....

Fact: Intel has issued another investor warning, they will not reach their projected profit margin...again. Hmmm, is this a trend?

The fact is that it depends on what you use the system for and what your priorities are. If you are talking P-4 vs Athlon, the general concensus is that for right now the Athlon is a better performer with the majority of todays applications. This is backed up by a load of benchmarks and reviews on MANY different sites. (Aces Hardware, Anandtech, tom's etc.) They all have reached the same conclusion, and while conclusions are OPINIONS they are opionions based upon facts. This excerpt from Aces sums it up. Each chip has strengths and weaknesses:

"How do we feel about the Pentium 4? Clock for clock performance is worse than most other processors, but it’s wrong to evaluate a processor solely on that basis. What matters is all around performance, of course.

It is important to evaluate your processor needs because you won’t be able to say whether the Pentium 4 is faster (at this moment) than the competition or not. For example, it is very fast in OpenGL shoot-em-ups and race simulators, but it isn’t convincing in RTS and RPG and shoot-em-up DirectX games. It is faster than the competition in high-end 3D-software, but it takes a serious lashing in most 3D-animation desktop or low-end workstation software. The Pentium 4 shines in encoding and decoding, but falls short in a lot of popular tools for compiling, CAD and editing tools.

Over time, as more applications are optimized, either specifically for the micro-architecture via assembler-level
optimizations or are recompiled using optimized SSE2 compilers and libraries, the Pentium 4 will show better performance.
Corel Draw 10, Dragon Naturally Speaking, Rage Incoming Forces, MGI Video Wave III and The Print Shop are some of the upcoming software packages that will include SSE-2 optimizations.

Our bandwidth benchmarks clearly show what Ace’s Hardware has been pointing out in our previous articles: RAMBUS is good technology (from a controversial company), but the i820 chipset and the 133 MHz bus totally crippled it. The Pentium 4 will probably also ramp very fast in clock speed, so AMD should not rest on their laurels.

Nevertheless, the survival series is not over. The Athlon 1200 with DDR is a more balanced and less pricey solution than the Pentium 4 with Rambus. The Athlon 1200 DDR came in first or second place in every benchmark while the Pentium 4 was very capricious with some ups but more downs. Most people hate upgrading their favorite software all the time and the Athlon runs legacy applications faster. IOHO, the FPU of the Pentium 4 should have been made more powerful."

Hi,
I want to congratulate you on your question since so many questions on forums are dedicated to opinion and personal Bias..

I happen to agree with you and like to deal with facts,
so here is some info for you purely factual

If you want the best system, than AMD and some other listed components would only be considered in the middle to low end category.
you as well as others should get the following shich is the best platform bar none-------

ASUS PENTIUM 4 1.5 GHZ MB w 1.5 GHZ CPU

2x 128 Meg 800 mhz RAMBUS (this is dual channel for 3.2 GBPS bandwidth)

2x 15,000 rpm Cheatah 18 GIG Ultra 160 scsi Drives (3.8 MS
one for OS and one for software, can operate concurrently for close to 180 MBPS sustained ! )

Geforce 3 64 meg video

Kenwoood 72X Multilaser CD or Toshiba 16\48 DVD

CASE -COOLER MASTER 201 www.coolermaster.com ALL RAW ALUMINUM GIANT HEATSINK !
SB LIVE platinum 5.1
WINDOWS M.E with DD3d 8a both P4 compiled !!

this will outperform any AMD system with similiar components

RAMBUS has superior maximum bandwidth expecially dual channel where both ram modules are effectively operating at 1600 mhz concurrently

also with P4 compiled software like dd3d 8a, there is a trememdous speed gain.
P4 has dual FP units operating a 3 GHZ or 2x, and can handle more operations

also P4 has a cache prediction rate of 95% thanks to a table that is 8x times larger than P3 or AMD
it has a 20 stage pipeline and 8 way cache as
well as a 400 mhz memory bus compared with 200-266 for AMD

the INTEL 850 chipset for P4 supports AGP PRO,
and ATA 100,
supports USB 2 which is 2 times faster than USB
support for AC 97 dilivers 6 channels of audio on board
direct connection between IO hub and PCI with no overhead

any 3D app using P4 optimization will outshine anything
the industry standard Spec Mark for the P4 is 550 and its FP is 540 !
currently the fastest CPU around and over 100 points faster than AMD
the P4, will be upgradable past 2 GHZ this year !
we build thousands of high end systems for clients and test alot of hardware like TOM does, so I am speaking from hands on knowledge
hope this helps you

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Hmm! the first post in the thread with some facts instead of some moronic remarks.

I would however like to differ on one of you points and perhaps add a couple myself.

"AMD are a smaller company then intel and cannot supply the same quantity of CPU's to the Market."

<b>AMD did release the first Gigahertz CPU and Intel has had many difficulties in mass producing the pentium 3's & 4's.</b>


<b>new points:</b>

Intel is still tied to contracts with Rambus.
AMD still widely uses SDR SDRAM
Rambus RDRAM uses more power than SDR & DDR SDRAM.
RDRAM is expensive + not widely available
DDR SDRAM not widely available + has a few issues.
SDR SDRAM slower than the other two.


On related issues...

Everyones talking about SMP in desktop cpu's, but i really don't think its SMP (Symmetric multi processing), but instead SMT (Symmetric multi threading).

If you think i'm wrong, could you send me some links with detailed info.

<i><b><font color=red>"2 is not equal to 3, not even for large values of 2"</font color=red></b></i>

the comment about AMD being smaller is meant to cover all CPU's ie total production not the most advanced CPU but I agree AMD did release the first 1ghz CPU ....
and thanks it is noce that someone actually reads what is put in my posts... :-)

M

Opinions are like arseholes .... everybody’s got one....