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They seem to be going down, and down.  Some large retailers are not supplying
them in stores anymore.  Does anyone know the reason for this drop in sales?
 
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In article <20041126230335.14202.00001087@mb-m13.aol.com>,
crucifyself03@aol.comREMOVE (John) wrote:
 
> They seem to be going down, and down.  Some large retailers are not supplying
> them in stores anymore.  Does anyone know the reason for this drop in sales?
 
You need to be more specific. What drop in sales? How are you measuring it?

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crucifyself03@aol.comREMOVE (John) wrote:
 
> They seem to be going down, and down.  Some large retailers are not supplying
> them in stores anymore.  Does anyone know the reason for this drop in sales?
 
A large part of the reason is the definition of PDA.  PDA/phone
combinations aren't counted.

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<< A large part of the reason is the definition of PDA.  PDA/phone
combinations aren't counted. >>
 
 
Well what was counted as a traditional PDA is being phased out of many Circuit
City and Best Buy stores, if not at the moment, but will very soon.  Cell
phone/pda sales are of coarse strong.  
 
 
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 05:35:02 +0000, Alan Anderson wrote:
 
>> They seem to be going down, and down.  Some large retailers are not
>> supplying them in stores anymore.  Does anyone know the reason for this
>> drop in sales?
>  
> A large part of the reason is the definition of PDA.  PDA/phone
> combinations aren't counted.
 
 And the fact that as every month passes, more and more
people are losing their jobs in the US, contrary to the false numbers the
current administration is offering as "proof" that jobs are coming back.
 
 The real truth is that American companies are hiring lots of people,
except those people are not US citizens, nor are they living in the US.
So, "jobs" are increasing, just not US jobs. And while this is happening,
thousands upon thousands of hard-working people are put out of work every
day.
 
 The other reason you see claims that jobs are increasing, and that
unemployment is slowing down, is because people who have lost their job,
and are on unemployment, have exhausted their benefits, so they drop off
of the list. The list of those people collecting unemployment drops, so
the statement that "unemployment is slowing down" is patently false.
 
 Once you look at the US Labor Statistics, these become very clear.
Unfortunately, our current administration isn't looking at the same
numbers that the rest of us are.
 
 People just don't have $399 to go spending on a PDA every 6 months
like they used to. They're sticking with their old PDAs, which worked
perfectly fine..

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"John Doe" <a.nonymous@abuse.org> wrote in message  
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> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 05:35:02 +0000, Alan Anderson wrote:
>
>>> They seem to be going down, and down.  Some large retailers are not
>>> supplying them in stores anymore.  Does anyone know the reason for this
>>> drop in sales?
>>
>> A large part of the reason is the definition of PDA.  PDA/phone
>> combinations aren't counted.
>
> And the fact that as every month passes, more and more
> people are losing their jobs in the US, contrary to the false numbers the
> current administration is offering as "proof" that jobs are coming back.
>
> The real truth is that American companies are hiring lots of people,
> except those people are not US citizens, nor are they living in the US.
> So, "jobs" are increasing, just not US jobs. And while this is happening,
> thousands upon thousands of hard-working people are put out of work every
> day.
>
> The other reason you see claims that jobs are increasing, and that
> unemployment is slowing down, is because people who have lost their job,
> and are on unemployment, have exhausted their benefits, so they drop off
> of the list. The list of those people collecting unemployment drops, so
> the statement that "unemployment is slowing down" is patently false.
>
> Once you look at the US Labor Statistics, these become very clear.
> Unfortunately, our current administration isn't looking at the same
> numbers that the rest of us are.
 
Will you people get over it, for Chrissake? Not only is this a shabby excuse  
to turn this into a sour-grapes and ill-informed political discussion, but  
face it: you friggin' LOST! Get on with your life and stop driving wedges.
 
>
> People just don't have $399 to go spending on a PDA every 6 months
> like they used to. They're sticking with their old PDAs, which worked
> perfectly fine..
 
Who says you need a new one every six months?

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<< People just don't have $399 to go spending on a PDA every 6 months
like they used to. They're sticking with their old PDAs, which worked
perfectly fine.. >>
 
 
Well they have that money to spend towards a new laptop every 6 months or so.  
 
 
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 07:38:04 -0500, Necron 99 wrote:
 
> Will you people get over it, for Chrissake? Not only is this a shabby
> excuse to turn this into a sour-grapes and ill-informed political
> discussion, but face it: you friggin' LOST! Get on with your life and
> stop driving wedges.
 
 What did we lose? Please inform us of the "facts".

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My understanding is that PDAs just aren't catching on overall.  I saw an
interview a while back with an industry analyst who stated that the vast
majority of PDA sales any more are replacement units for people who already
own models.  There are very few customers coming on board for their first
PDA.  It's not that the industry is shrinking as much as it's just not
growing.
 
I saw the same analogy used to describe why the baseball fanbase is not
growing as well.  Essentially, the vast majority of baseball fans today are
those who were brought up in families who are baseball fans from way back.
As a result, few new fans are coming on board and the base has stagnated.
 
Now hockey...
 
That's a whole different problem.

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aranders@insightbb.com (Alan Anderson) wrote in message news:<aranders-2711040035000001@192.168.1.101>...
> crucifyself03@aol.comREMOVE (John) wrote:
>  
> > They seem to be going down, and down.  Some large retailers are not supplying
> > them in stores anymore.  Does anyone know the reason for this drop in sales?
>  
> A large part of the reason is the definition of PDA.  PDA/phone
> combinations aren't counted.
 
PDA/phone combinations are both mediocre as a phone, and as a PDA.
It's good that they are not counted..

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<< My understanding is that PDAs just aren't catching on overall.  I saw an
interview a while back with an industry analyst who stated that the vast
majority of PDA sales any more are replacement units for people who already
own models.  There are very few customers coming on board for their first
PDA.  It's not that the industry is shrinking as much as it's just not
growing. >>
 
 
This is very much true.  I've owned a Palm VIIx for sometime know and do not
plan to replace it, unless it breaks.  But even if I wanted to replace it, it
may be a problem since both Circuit City and Best Buy are starting to phase out
PDA's.  OfficeMax, Office Depot and others will soon follow, just like what
happened with the HPC units some years ago.
 
 
<< I saw the same analogy used to describe why the baseball fanbase is not
growing as well.  Essentially, the vast majority of baseball fans today are
those who were brought up in families who are baseball fans from way back.
As a result, few new fans are coming on board and the base has stagnated. >>
 
 
When I was a kid in the 1990's baseball cards were huge.  But these days they
have phased away.  Back then I saw MLB commercials, basdeball card commercials,
and there was more incentive for the game.  These days that is but lost.  Back
then we had the big players in the game, that attracted people.  Players like
Nolan Ryan, Cal Ripken Jr., Mark McGuire, Jose Canseco, among others that are
missing in the game today.  This has to be a reason why few are interested in
MLB today like the way they were back in 1994.  
 
 
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crucifyself03@aol.comREMOVE (John) wrote:
 
> ...I've owned a Palm VIIx for sometime know and do not
> plan to replace it, unless it breaks.  But even if I wanted to replace it, it
> may be a problem since both Circuit City and Best Buy are starting to
phase out
> PDA's.
 
The availability (or non-availability) of PDAs from local stores is not an
issue for me.  Of the eight Palms I have bought over the years, only one
was from a retail store.  Unless literal "off the shelf" prices come down
significantly, I will almost certainly continue to buy from online
suppliers.

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<< The availability (or non-availability) of PDAs from local stores is not an
issue for me.  Of the eight Palms I have bought over the years, only one
was from a retail store.  Unless literal "off the shelf" prices come down
significantly, I will almost certainly continue to buy from online
suppliers. >>
 
 
Yes but the majority of people buy from local stores.  If you cannot supply
them PDA's at a local level, then they may not buy them online.  I like to test
them at a store and then go to ebay, amazon.com or whomever for a cheaper deal.
 
 
 
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crucifyself03@aol.comREMOVE (John) wrote:
 
> << A large part of the reason is the definition of PDA.  PDA/phone
> combinations aren't counted. >>
>  
>  
> Well what was counted as a traditional PDA is being phased out of many Circuit
> City and Best Buy stores, if not at the moment, but will very soon.  Cell
> phone/pda sales are of coarse strong.  
 
I was wondering what you were basing your question on. Could it be that
the CCs and BBs near you are understocked at the moment? Have you asked
them? My Best Buy, Circuit City, Office Max, and Office Depot stores are
filled with Palm devices and have surprisingly few PPCs.  
 
In addition, there is the growing online sales channel.  
 
Overall, the market studies indicate that PDA sales have stagnated. The
theory is that people who want basic PDA functionality, namely the
personal information management stuff, can get it from most cell phones.
The big growth is in the smartphone market. Keep in mind that phones
already sell in far bigger numbers than PDAs. Nokia alone sells around 300
million phones a year, although most are not "smartphones." (Definition of
smartphone: runs Symbian, Palm OS, PPC, or some other OS that lets them
add programs.)
 
The conclusion is that there will always be a market for PDAs but the
growth is in smartphones.

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<< I was wondering what you were basing your question on. Could it be that
the CCs and BBs near you are understocked at the moment? Have you asked
them? My Best Buy, Circuit City, Office Max, and Office Depot stores are
filled with Palm devices and have surprisingly few PPCs.  >>
 
I visited some Best Buys out of my area and saw similiar results.  They tell me
that PDA's will soon vanish from the stores.  They said that most people are
not buying PDA's anymore.  
 
<< Keep in mind that phones
already sell in far bigger numbers than PDAs. Nokia alone sells around 300
million phones a yea >>
 
And how many PDA's sell a year?  Last I looked, It was about 2 Million total
PDA's being sold a year.  
 
 
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On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 15:58:43 GMT, Ned Buntline wrote:
 
> My understanding is that PDAs just aren't catching on overall.  I saw an
> interview a while back with an industry analyst who stated that the vast
> majority of PDA sales any more are replacement units for people who already
> own models.  There are very few customers coming on board for their first
> PDA.  It's not that the industry is shrinking as much as it's just not
> growing.
 
And they're probably replacements for broken models. Gone are the days
when each new release prompted a flurry of existing user upgrades.
 
I had a PilotPro and got a III because I ran out of RAM. I got a Vx
because I liked the style and I ran out of RAM. I got an m500 because
I ran out of RAM and the M505 screen was horrible. I got an m515
because, finally, Palm got the screen right.
 
But after that, they really didn't offer anything that made my life
better. Yes, I know about the processor upgrades, RAM upgrades, screen
upgrades, headphone jacks, etc. But none of that is something I need.
Yes, I could use it, but I don't need it.
 
Granted, I finally got to play with a T5 today and it's tempting. But,
again, it's really nothing I need. I have BackupBuddy to keep from
losing my data and CardExport to use the SD card as a USB mass storage
device.
 
It's not just that the market has stagnated, it's that Palm's not
giving some of us any reason to keep it active.
--  
Derek
 
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But when they're big enough, the pain only lasts a second.

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"John Doe" <a.nonymous@abuse.org> wrote in message  
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> On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 07:38:04 -0500, Necron 99 wrote:
>
>> Will you people get over it, for Chrissake? Not only is this a shabby
>> excuse to turn this into a sour-grapes and ill-informed political
>> discussion, but face it: you friggin' LOST! Get on with your life and
>> stop driving wedges.
>
> What did we lose? Please inform us of the "facts".
 
The main fact is that this is a newsgroup for Palms, not sore-loser politics  
and lame excuses for promoting that viewpoint. Next!

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In article <30suinF34an8tU1@uni-berlin.de>, "Necron 99"
<fake@fakeryet.org> wrote:
 
> "John Doe" <a.nonymous@abuse.org> wrote in message  
> newsan.2004.11.27.15.48.37.960795@abuse.org...
> > On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 07:38:04 -0500, Necron 99 wrote:
> >
> >> Will you people get over it, for Chrissake? Not only is this a shabby
> >> excuse to turn this into a sour-grapes and ill-informed political
> >> discussion, but face it: you friggin' LOST! Get on with your life and
> >> stop driving wedges.
> >
> > What did we lose? Please inform us of the "facts".
>  
> The main fact is that this is a newsgroup for Palms, not sore-loser politics  
> and lame excuses for promoting that viewpoint. Next!
 
And that would be *your* viewpoint.