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I apologize for the rant.

http://snipurl.com/hbl7

I have made my decision

Vista I will not be buying.

No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.

I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.

If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.

Greg Ro

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In article <3njnkhF1rd08U1@individual.net>, webworm11@lycosy.com says...
> I apologize for the rant.
>
> http://snipurl.com/hbl7
>
> I have made my decision
>
> Vista I will not be buying.
>
> No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
> computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
> got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.
>
> I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.
>
> If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.

So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal
media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you
in any way?

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GregRo wrote:
> I apologize for the rant.
>
> http://snipurl.com/hbl7
>
> I have made my decision
>
> Vista I will not be buying.
>
> No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
> computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
> got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.
>
> I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.
>
> If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.
>
> Greg Ro

I hope you can sleep at night if Microsoft goes bankrupt.

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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:47:33 GMT, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article <3njnkhF1rd08U1@individual.net>, webworm11@lycosy.com says...
>> I apologize for the rant.
>>
>> http://snipurl.com/hbl7
>>
>> I have made my decision
>>
>> Vista I will not be buying.
>>
>> No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
>> computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
>> got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.
>>
>> I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.
>>
>> If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.
>
>So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal
>media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you
>in any way?

Quit putting words into my mouth. I did not say I had the right to
steal.

The OS should not be able to control what I do or don't do period.
That not the operating system responsibility. That is mine. I want
to see everything and have access to everything on the computer
period.

Let use this analogy.
Some one builds you a home.
They put a private room in
Only Microsoft and Certain people can use it. You are not allowed
access to it. Even through it is in your own house.



Greg Ro

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In article <eX08k9ZrFHA.3604@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, webworm12
@yes.lycs.com says...
> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:47:33 GMT, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>
> >In article <3njnkhF1rd08U1@individual.net>, webworm11@lycosy.com says...
> >> I apologize for the rant.
> >>
> >> http://snipurl.com/hbl7
> >>
> >> I have made my decision
> >>
> >> Vista I will not be buying.
> >>
> >> No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
> >> computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
> >> got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.
> >>
> >> I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.
> >>
> >> If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.
> >
> >So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal
> >media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you
> >in any way?
>
> Quit putting words into my mouth. I did not say I had the right to
> steal.
>
> The OS should not be able to control what I do or don't do period.
> That not the operating system responsibility. That is mine. I want
> to see everything and have access to everything on the computer
> period.
>
> Let use this analogy.
> Some one builds you a home.
> They put a private room in
> Only Microsoft and Certain people can use it. You are not allowed
> access to it. Even through it is in your own house.

Lets see, you buy an OS, it permits you to do anything legal that you
want, you can copy music, you can copy video, all as long as you have a
legal right to it - what part are you left without?

Your analogy should be more like:

You buy a house.
You want to make crack in it.
The government has rules against it - you have a choice.
You start making crack.
You get your home taken away by the government.

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"Leythos" <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in message
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> In article <3njnkhF1rd08U1@individual.net>, webworm11@lycosy.com says...
>> I apologize for the rant.
>>
>> http://snipurl.com/hbl7
>>
>> I have made my decision
>>
>> Vista I will not be buying.
>>
>> No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
>> computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
>> got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.
>>
>> I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.
>>
>> If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.
>
> So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal
> media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you
> in any way?

I'm not sure exactly what restrictions Vista will have, as well as other
electronic devices, but some of us have an "issue" with what is considered
fair use. Will Vista prohibit me from burning a backup CD of software or
music? I'm entitled to do so, IMO. This is not a piracy issue in my case,
although I can see it being so for some others.

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In article <uDY#XAarFHA.1172@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>, ntotrr@optonline.net
says...
> I'm not sure exactly what restrictions Vista will have, as well as other
> electronic devices, but some of us have an "issue" with what is considered
> fair use. Will Vista prohibit me from burning a backup CD of software or
> music? I'm entitled to do so, IMO. This is not a piracy issue in my case,
> although I can see it being so for some others.

From what I've read, it only limits actions of what most of us would
consider pirating materials. Right now, if I stick my CD in the drive
and have WMP rip it to MP3's, it checks something and lets me do it -
and adds a license for it to my machine.

Seems to me that only pirates will have any issues with doing illegal
things with Vista. Read his link if you want to see.

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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:20:22 GMT, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:

>In article <eX08k9ZrFHA.3604@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, webworm12
>@yes.lycs.com says...
>> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:47:33 GMT, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <3njnkhF1rd08U1@individual.net>, webworm11@lycosy.com says...
>> >> I apologize for the rant.
>> >>
>> >> http://snipurl.com/hbl7
>> >>
>> >> I have made my decision
>> >>
>> >> Vista I will not be buying.
>> >>
>> >> No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
>> >> computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
>> >> got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.
>> >>
>> >> I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.
>> >>
>> >> If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.
>> >
>> >So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal
>> >media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you
>> >in any way?
>>
>> Quit putting words into my mouth. I did not say I had the right to
>> steal.
>>
>> The OS should not be able to control what I do or don't do period.
>> That not the operating system responsibility. That is mine. I want
>> to see everything and have access to everything on the computer
>> period.
>>
>> Let use this analogy.
>> Some one builds you a home.
>> They put a private room in
>> Only Microsoft and Certain people can use it. You are not allowed
>> access to it. Even through it is in your own house.
>
>Lets see, you buy an OS, it permits you to do anything legal that you
>want, you can copy music, you can copy video, all as long as you have a
>legal right to it - what part are you left without?
>
>Your analogy should be more like:
>
>You buy a house.
>You want to make crack in it.
>The government has rules against it - you have a choice.
>You start making crack.
>You get your home taken away by the government.



My point is I want to have access to everything on may hard drive and
in my computer.

If I choose to break a law that is my choice not the operating system.
I don't need a net nanny that for kids. Which I don't break any laws
for the record. Microsoft and Hollywood assumes everyone is a
criminal out to get them.

What if a virus, spyware, or adware program got into the protected
area and the virus, spyware or adware protection program could not
clean it out? This will happen.

If you want to buy vista go right ahead. I made my decision based on
those and other articles.

If every I do get vista is will be only because a job requires or
Microsoft sent me a free version


Greg Ro

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In article <3nju9hF1taitU1@individual.net>, webworm11@lycosy.com says...
> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:20:22 GMT, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>
> >In article <eX08k9ZrFHA.3604@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, webworm12
> >@yes.lycs.com says...
> >> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:47:33 GMT, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <3njnkhF1rd08U1@individual.net>, webworm11@lycosy.com says...
> >> >> I apologize for the rant.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://snipurl.com/hbl7
> >> >>
> >> >> I have made my decision
> >> >>
> >> >> Vista I will not be buying.
> >> >>
> >> >> No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
> >> >> computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
> >> >> got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.
> >> >>
> >> >> If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux system.
> >> >
> >> >So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to steal
> >> >media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to limit you
> >> >in any way?
> >>
> >> Quit putting words into my mouth. I did not say I had the right to
> >> steal.
> >>
> >> The OS should not be able to control what I do or don't do period.
> >> That not the operating system responsibility. That is mine. I want
> >> to see everything and have access to everything on the computer
> >> period.
> >>
> >> Let use this analogy.
> >> Some one builds you a home.
> >> They put a private room in
> >> Only Microsoft and Certain people can use it. You are not allowed
> >> access to it. Even through it is in your own house.
> >
> >Lets see, you buy an OS, it permits you to do anything legal that you
> >want, you can copy music, you can copy video, all as long as you have a
> >legal right to it - what part are you left without?
> >
> >Your analogy should be more like:
> >
> >You buy a house.
> >You want to make crack in it.
> >The government has rules against it - you have a choice.
> >You start making crack.
> >You get your home taken away by the government.
>
>
>
> My point is I want to have access to everything on may hard drive and
> in my computer.
>
> If I choose to break a law that is my choice not the operating system.
> I don't need a net nanny that for kids. Which I don't break any laws
> for the record. Microsoft and Hollywood assumes everyone is a
> criminal out to get them.
>
> What if a virus, spyware, or adware program got into the protected
> area and the virus, spyware or adware protection program could not
> clean it out? This will happen.
>
> If you want to buy vista go right ahead. I made my decision based on
> those and other articles.
>
> If every I do get vista is will be only because a job requires or
> Microsoft sent me a free version

There is no "Protected Area" there is just a restriction on what you can
copy. Where do you get the idea that there is some magical area reserved
on your drive?

Your assumption about "protected area" is wrong, as is your reasoning.

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Leythos wrote:
> In article <3njnkhF1rd08U1@individual.net>, webworm11@lycosy.com
> says...
>> I apologize for the rant.
>>
>> http://snipurl.com/hbl7
>>
>> I have made my decision
>>
>> Vista I will not be buying.
>>
>> No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
>> computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
>> got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.
>>
>> I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.
>>
>> If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux
>> system.
>
> So, what you're saying, is that you want the option to be able to
> steal media if you choose and it's not the right of the OS vendor to
> limit you in any way?

Hey Lameboy! PA and WGA already screw people who have stolen nothing at
all. More copy-protection will garner more problem for people doing
absolutely nothing illegal.

So F*#K YOU and all your BILLIONAIRE Hollywood & Redmond buddies. You
are a total brownshirt for the corporate copyright elite.

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Leythos wrote:
> In article <uDY#XAarFHA.1172@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>,
> ntotrr@optonline.net says...
>> I'm not sure exactly what restrictions Vista will have, as well as
>> other electronic devices, but some of us have an "issue" with what
>> is considered fair use. Will Vista prohibit me from burning a
>> backup CD of software or music? I'm entitled to do so, IMO. This
>> is not a piracy issue in my case, although I can see it being so for
>> some others.
>
> From what I've read, it only limits actions of what most of us would
> consider pirating materials. Right now, if I stick my CD in the drive
> and have WMP rip it to MP3's, it checks something and lets me do it -
> and adds a license for it to my machine.
>
> Seems to me that only pirates will have any issues with doing illegal
> things with Vista. Read his link if you want to see.

The imagined pirates of the corporate copyright elite, those that
exercise their legal "fair use" rights.

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relic wrote:
> GregRo wrote:
>> I apologize for the rant.
>>
>> http://snipurl.com/hbl7
>>
>> I have made my decision
>>
>> Vista I will not be buying.
>>
>> No one is not going to tell me. I can't have access to a part of the
>> computer or the hard drive. Imagine if a virus, spyware or adaware
>> got into that protected area and a virus program could not clean it.
>>
>> I'm Sticking with xp & windows 98se forever.
>>
>> If I have to get a new computer it will be either mac or linux
>> system. Greg Ro
>
> I hope you can sleep at night if Microsoft goes bankrupt.

LOL! The software piracy rate was much higher in 1994 than it was in
2000 before MS implimented its copy-protection, PA. I don't seem to
remember that MS was anywhere close to bankruptcy!

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"kurttrail" <dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org> wrote in message
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> Leythos wrote:
>> In article <uDY#XAarFHA.1172@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>,
>> ntotrr@optonline.net says...
>>> I'm not sure exactly what restrictions Vista will have, as well as
>>> other electronic devices, but some of us have an "issue" with what
>>> is considered fair use. Will Vista prohibit me from burning a
>>> backup CD of software or music? I'm entitled to do so, IMO. This
>>> is not a piracy issue in my case, although I can see it being so for
>>> some others.
>>
>> From what I've read, it only limits actions of what most of us would
>> consider pirating materials. Right now, if I stick my CD in the drive
>> and have WMP rip it to MP3's, it checks something and lets me do it -
>> and adds a license for it to my machine.
>>
>> Seems to me that only pirates will have any issues with doing illegal
>> things with Vista. Read his link if you want to see.
>
> The imagined pirates of the corporate copyright elite, those that exercise
> their legal "fair use" rights.


The libraries, scholars, and legal analysts have been warning for at least
five years that fair use rights are being destroyed completely by the MPAA,
RIAA, and a subservient federal system, under both Clinton and Bush.

see

www.eff.org

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In article <11h9p8mlgb14vd4@corp.supernews.com>, none@none.net says...
> The libraries, scholars, and legal analysts have been warning for at least
> five years that fair use rights are being destroyed completely by the MPAA,
> RIAA, and a subservient federal system, under both Clinton and Bush.

And how is that relevant to Vista? If vista does not stop one from doing
legal things, then it's not really an issue, is it.


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Leythos wrote:
> In article <11h9p8mlgb14vd4@corp.supernews.com>, none@none.net says...
>> The libraries, scholars, and legal analysts have been warning for at
>> least five years that fair use rights are being destroyed completely
>> by the MPAA, RIAA, and a subservient federal system, under both
>> Clinton and Bush.
>
> And how is that relevant to Vista? If vista does not stop one from
> doing legal things, then it's not really an issue, is it.

If you hardware doesn't meet some arbitrary MS/Hollywood requirement,
then you won't be able to view hi-def video content.

That is an erosion of my "fair use" rights on the hi-def equipment I
already own.

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In article <#Zh8a7brFHA.3604@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>,
dontemailme@anywhereintheknowuniverse.org says...
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <11h9p8mlgb14vd4@corp.supernews.com>, none@none.net says...
> >> The libraries, scholars, and legal analysts have been warning for at
> >> least five years that fair use rights are being destroyed completely
> >> by the MPAA, RIAA, and a subservient federal system, under both
> >> Clinton and Bush.
> >
> > And how is that relevant to Vista? If vista does not stop one from
> > doing legal things, then it's not really an issue, is it.
>
> If you hardware doesn't meet some arbitrary MS/Hollywood requirement,
> then you won't be able to view hi-def video content.
>
> That is an erosion of my "fair use" rights on the hi-def equipment I
> already own.

I my wide screen TV is not HI-DEF ready, so I suppose that my rights
have been eroded too.

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Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote in
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> In article <eX08k9ZrFHA.3604@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl>, webworm12
> @yes.lycs.com says...
>> On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:47:33 GMT, Leythos <void@nowhere.lan> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <3njnkhF1rd08U1@individual.net>, webworm11@lycosy.com
>> >says...
>> >> I apologize for the rant.
>> >>
>> >>