OK every one likes to rant on about weather or ATI is better then NVidia and same goes for Mac and PC...except, Of coarse the PC world has been Dominating the markets for the last few years now, refering to performance, and there hasn't been much change till now.

It seeems that the tables may have just changed a little... take a look at the new HARDWARE coming out at apple now!!!!

The G5 system...I'll post their fastest one. Let see what you'll all have to say.

Dual 2GHz *
HyperTransport *1
512 L2 Cache
FSB 1Ghz *2
512MB PC3200 (400MHz)8GB MAX *3
ATI RADEON 9600 Pro *4
160GB Serial ATA *5
4X SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW) *6
PCI slots: Three open full-length PCI-X slots: one 133MHz, 64-bit slot and two 100MHz, 64-bit slots *7
1 FireWire 800 port
2 FireWire 400 ports(one on front)
3 USB 2.0 ports(one on front), two USB 1.1 ports (still on keyboard)
10/100/1000BASE-T Ethernet and 56K modem
AirPort Extreme ready (based on 802.11g specification; IEEE 802.11b Wi-Fi)
Bluetooth option
Optical digital audio in, optical digital audio out, analog audio in, analog audio out *8



Now with stats like that...THAT seems to be pretty DAMN competitive...no? however with the price still at $3000 its not...but you do end up with a MAC(a Very High tech, Stylish, and inovative Machine)


* yes this is STILL slower then the 3.06, and yes the 3.06 is hyperthreading...but these processors are now 64 BIT!...AND

*1 HyperTransport protocol integrates the Power Mac G5’s I/O subsystems and connects them to the system controller. Serial ATA, Gigabit Ethernet, FireWire, USB 2.0 and optical digital and analog audio are all integrated through two bidirectional 16-bit, 800MHz HyperTransport interconnects for a maximum throughput of 3.2GB per second....wasn't this something that was to be seen with AMD?

*2 ok not too sure whats going on here... there is a 800/900 and a 1Ghz FSB...FAST/FASTER/FASTEST machines...this is very strange to me... and if this is the case it would meen there could be lots of OCing made here on this board....Speaking of OC'ing check out their Cooling system!!!!DAMN!

*3 WTF!!! 8GB RAM!!![-peep-]!!! thats the size of my last HD!

*4 not too sure why they stopped there...but you can upgrade to the 9800 pro... for 300 freeking Bones!

*5 ok this is not all too "MAC" like. you can only have 2 HDs... mind you 500 GB's max is not all that bad...and it is RAID capatable, but still.

*6 This Sux it appears that there is only room for one optical drive. so any Duping will require an external or copying to the HD.

*7 intersting that they are going with the PCI-X slots...love to here what ppl think of that.

*8 oooo this is NICE, optical digital audio in and out ports use the S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface) protocol over Toslink cables for connecting to devices such as decks, receivers, digital instruments, and even 5.1 surround-sound speaker systems.

One other Note... Mac LONG ago got rid of the USELESS 3.5" Floppy...and replaced it with the ZIP drive in the Towers...but that too seems to be gone... looks like they are fully embracing the CD/DVD media now.

All around this seems like a real kicking machine!!!

If you've just got to rant,(cause i know you wanna), Check it out first!

http://www.apple.com/powermac/

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<A HREF="http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10184" target="_new">The Inquirer</A> has an article about why people don't buy Macs. IMO what they say in that article is true!

People buy macs, lots of them. The G5 will be the #1 selling 64bit desktop computer sold in 2003.

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i not so sure as AMD 64 is coming G5 will not be on the market before few month and with a score of 800/800 there not much ISV that willing to port there apps from PC to PPC

[-peep-] french

So many ppl are enslaved to Mac guru style marketting...read some facts...

http://www.amdzone.com/articleview.cfm?ArticleID=1296

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The Inquirer has an article about why people don't buy Macs. IMO what they say in that article is true!
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Cuz they are useless overpriced junk....

That comment is just stupid. Apple needs to get over themselves, i dont go around msgboards and try to prove why my computer is good, so you dont have to either, its starting to get annoying

Seriously?
Get a life!

Marketting these things is not what we enthusiasts will accept openly. Try to read this forum's already existing threads on this rather than thinking we all NEED this.

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My thoughts on why people don't buy Mac:

When you buy a Mac, where are you going to look to for new updates, software, and hardware? The answer is simple... Apple.

When you buy a PC, where are you going to look to for new updates, software, and hardware? The answer is longer and tougher... MS, Intel, AMD, Linux, Nvidia, ATI, IBM, and even international companies. But that's only a partial answer.

So if you're buying a Mac, the Mac you are buying had better do all that you expect it to do since you're buying the entire thing as a piece. In addition, when you have problems with that machine, or would like to do something else with it, the only place you can go back to for help is apple.

But these days, people are getting more aware of technology and the competition. So when they buy a home computer, they not only think of what it can do, but also the price. PC hardware can be dirt cheap where as with Macs, you only get the options from Apple and you have to pay Apple's price.

To add:
-most businesses use windows machines, not apple machines.
-most new software is developed for PCs.
-all popular games are developed for PCs, and if they sell, they are then ported to Mac
-the PC community is far larger than the Mac community

All of the people I know that own Macs do so because they're brainwashed into thinking that the Mac is somehow far better than the PC. Sure, maybe the software is better as far as using the thing, but PC software (especially with windows), is now much easier to use as well.

My Mac friend tried to make the argument that when you install software on a mac, you just copy the folder. Well, when I install software on a PC, i just keep hitting the next button. How hard is that? You don't even have to read the text, you can just keep hitting the next button and when it goes away, you look at your computer and there's the software!

So the only reason to buy a mac is if you like their software/hardware package better than anything the PC has. For the picky users, this matters.

Personally, I don't like being on apple's leash when it comes to hardware and software. I think most enthusiasts would be similar since they take pride is being able to decide what goes into their box.

Hey, you may have noticed that i do not own a Mac Myself...as they ARE way over priced.

But what i can't understand is that all the PC enthusests out there, (who BTW seem to have empty pockets and take their current machine and try to turn it in to some sorta Beast of a machine, just to boost it 1-10% faster), can't except the fact that the Mac world are usually the first to embrace new technology!

All i am saying is... the PC heads out there will eventually, like it or lump it, be putting in technology that Apple has had (standard) for a long time, ie. USB 1 and 2, firewire 1 and 2, DVD burners, 10/100/1000 networking and over abundant space for RAM... or what have you.

Obviously!! the same goes for PC's and when new technology come out for them ie. Hyperthreading, RDRAM, DDRAM, Dual channeling and what not,... pc heads are grinding their teeth at night waiting for there order to come in!

But why is it that if it come out on a Mac first ppl don't care?

I dunno, but i think that all you tinkers out there would probaly have Just as Much Fun tinkering on a Mac as you do on a PC.

the only thing in your way seems to be the money...but wait, money? aren't the tinkers out there the ones with the 9800 pro's and the 3.06 HT systems...with the most expencive cooling systems to keep there over clocked this and that cool?...hmm

when it comes down to it... No one REALY cares about getting that MP3 incoded 1 second faster or getting 2 FPS more out of your card.... Its the Tweeking of your machine and seeing if it worked is the real fun part. and don't deny it!




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Who cares? Downsides of owning a mac when you previously owned Pc for many years quickly outweigh the benefits. I really couldnt care if mac adopts a new technology first, as it will appear on a pc in a matter of days or weeks, or not appear at all since you really dont *NEED* these new technologies as quick as possible

Because not many people use macs, and a new useless tech isnt enough for them to care

I doubt it, since you really cant build macs yourself and tweak most of the performance settings, or are even given any settings in the bios

Exactly, which is why Mac has <5 percent marketshare

Macs are an irrelevance. I have nothing against them to be honest, but the Mac community has gradually lost its grip on reality since the heady days of the G3.

If Mac users/zealots weren't so full of crap, then maybe they would get a little more respect...

Ganache:

IMHO
Facts:
1. Who wrote the article: AMD zone, does AMD make processors for macs?
2. Did the article mention Intel Itanium, also 64 bit processor?
3. Has any manufactures for PC and PC pheriphals cheated on benchmarks?

This article is not something worth reading though I have read it. AMD ZONE, site about AMD processors and PCs, not MACS. Most people who have PCs prefer them over Macs and vice versa. Clearly Apple has some interesting stuff up its sleeves with the G5 that yet has to be available for PCs. Are these new "breakthroughs" useful? That's another story. Apple computers are designed very well, and its OS is much more user friendly and plaged with less problems than its Microsoft counterpart. The one thing that kept me to use PCs is the myriad softwares available for them, especaily to the handful amount available to Macs.

Why would a mac site, written by people who use macs create an article that puts down the G5 benchmarks?

All I have to say is. . .hahaha.

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I fully agree with you there!!!


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NOW that! is funny.. i never heard that before...WOW

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Too bad some people are too stupid to see beyond a biased article by a moronic AMD lemming. That article is a joke and flawed severly, like I pointed out in another thread.

Just because other people use mac's for reasons that are unknown to you does not mean that they do not sell by the millions.

People stil buy AMD even though the current line of CPU's are all inferior.

Those "facts" you posted are fuel for AMD lemmings such as yourself. Maybe you need to learn some facts. Its not my job to school you.

"Mac guru style of marketing"?? They build a non x86 machine, and marketing is not targeted at you so get over it.

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