There has been some pretty interesting comments on AI in <A HREF="http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=140172#140172" target="_new">this post</A> so I thought I'd start a new thread on the subject. Do you think its possible? What would be required? When do you think it'll happen?

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True AI won't happen for years - maybe not ever. I'm not sure there will ever be a way for computers to have things like emotions/moods, and these are central to the way an intelligent mind works (I think - Mr Spock may disagree ).

How can a computer have a 'gut feeling' if it has no guts?

I don't doubt that there will be self-aware, learning computer programs in the near future, but I don't think they'll be truly intelligent, not in the way I would judge.

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It can't happen.

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That's kind of hard to prove but I would say it is very unlikely to happen on the current architectures that computers use. I feel a different kind of machine is required.

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I don't know if I really want AI to improve. Anyone see Matrix, or Terminator recently? Granted, this is the extreme, but.........

Anything is possible.

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AI has already started. Have you seen the aibot from Honda?? It recognizes several people in a room and can walk around. Granted our current AI tech is about as smart as a cockroach, it is what we have to offer. I'm thinking it will be years down the road before we create a true smart AI robot.

That is not AI, it is only a complex program. Does that bot rewite its source code on the fly or actually learn anything that it wasn't programmed to learn? When you truly think about what AI is, then it seems more far off than the movies make it look to be.

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indeed - the media hypes all this stuff up to be a lot more than it really is. Think about how much work it takes just to make a computer that can beat a good chess player - and all that machine can do is play chess. Now imagine how much it would take to make a machine that can handle anything....

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Sure, short term it seems far off. What about 100 or 500 years from now though? That's still only a blip on the screen.

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Or "humans" just might blow our selves to sh*t before we can create anything...

I forgot where I read it, I think it was on a Matrix site. I skimmed through it and it had a cool idea.

We are trying real hard to make machines more like humans, why not make humans more like machines? (he went on about somehow uniting the two..)

Interesting.

I will try to find the article if anyone cares to read it. I read it the night after I saw Matrix: Reloaded (night before opening day)

yeah! bring on the cyborgs! I wanna punch thru walls...

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Kinda sounds like the Borg from Star Trek will be coming soon! LOL.

What about this; is it possible to use DC (Distributed Computing) to power an AI mind? With the amount of people on the net, if there were a lot of them working on the intelligence of AI, would we get any closer?

This is interesting.

Well, first off, you'd have to define what you actually mean by "Intelligence", in order to create an artificial one.

So, what is it? Is it the ability to learn how to recognize/interact/deal appropriately with any situation? Yes, i'd say that it's the "program rewriting itself" that is actually key to learning, which I'd say should be the first goal...

The problem is that, in existing "intelligences", the rewriting routines also change, i.e. are rewritten. That would amount to a certain perception of the situation someone is in - so the same situation can have different impacts on different sentient beings.

The problem is also that the learning process has to be self-sufficient. Controlled learning is irrelevant and is actually not truly "AI", the way I see it. But, if the learning process isn't thoroughly stable, there's no guarantee that your AI will actually "evolve" in the classical sense, but rather an increasing probability of falling into some sort of bizarre state of evolutionary stop. That'd be a program glitch, of course. The problem is that you'd actually need a routine just to check if things are working properly, i.e. your AI hasn't gone "insane" (not in that classical movie style, of course; I mean an evolutionary breakdown, like an endless loop).

But given the machinery that is able to process what could be called a sentient program, how do we come up with such a thing? Someone has to program that too. What does it have that makes it rewrite itself? How does it know how to rewrite itself, or what to rewrite? The rewriting process has to be performed according to the interaction data stored. How can we assure that that program will have the necessary stability and enough heuristic abilities to warrant being called "AI"?

So, what <i>are</i> we talking about here?
I have no idea. It's just too big an issue for me to handle right now. I'm hungry, and I'm off to lunch.

BTW, borg are cool.