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Happy now? From PalmOne message about the Treo 650. Remarks in
parentheses are mine.

320 x320 display that can be read in sunlight
Integrated Bluetooth
*Removeable* battery
Nonvolatile memory (same as in T5?)
Digital camera captures video
Backlit keyboard

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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:59:32 GMT, Guy Bannis had this to say...


> Happy now? From PalmOne message about the Treo 650. Remarks in
> parentheses are mine.
>
> 320 x320 display that can be read in sunlight
> Integrated Bluetooth
> *Removeable* battery
> Nonvolatile memory (same as in T5?)
> Digital camera captures video
> Backlit keyboard
>

They had to make the battery removable because it only lasts 1.5 hours?
Same NAND Flash RAM as the T5.

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In article <MPG.1be758e3c9fe35d79898d6@news.frontiernet.net>, Jim Anderson
<fro2750@frontiernet.my_finger.net> wrote:

> They had to make the battery removable because it only lasts 1.5 hours?

According to the PalmOne Web site:

GSM/GPRS model: Up to 6 hours talk time and up to 300 hours tandby time
CDMA model: Up to 5 hours talk time and up to 2 weeks standby time

Of course, this says nothing about the battery life as a PDA ... I'm
probably not climbing out a long limb if I said that the video would eat
up battery life awful quick!

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In article <guy-2510041700090001@192.168.1.100>,
guy@ether.net (Guy Bannis) wrote:

> Happy now? From PalmOne message about the Treo 650. Remarks in
> parentheses are mine.
>
> 320 x320 display that can be read in sunlight
> Integrated Bluetooth
> *Removeable* battery
> Nonvolatile memory (same as in T5?)
> Digital camera captures video
> Backlit keyboard

If the camera were easily removed I'd be happy. If I bring a camera to
work I could get fired. Many companies have this policy.

I suppose I could just damage the lense or something, but I'd prefer a
quick-remove/install camera.

Regards,

-Doug

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:45:29 GMT, Doug Hoffman <dhoffman@journey.com>
jumped in and said:

>In article <guy-2510041700090001@192.168.1.100>,
> guy@ether.net (Guy Bannis) wrote:
>
>> Happy now? From PalmOne message about the Treo 650. Remarks in
>> parentheses are mine.
>>
>> 320 x320 display that can be read in sunlight
>> Integrated Bluetooth
>> *Removeable* battery
>> Nonvolatile memory (same as in T5?)
>> Digital camera captures video
>> Backlit keyboard
>
>If the camera were easily removed I'd be happy. If I bring a camera to
>work I could get fired. Many companies have this policy.
>
>I suppose I could just damage the lense or something, but I'd prefer a
>quick-remove/install camera.
>
>Regards,
>
>-Doug

They should forget the camera and put in WiFi.

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Guy Bannis wrote:

> According to the PalmOne Web site:
>
> GSM/GPRS model: Up to 6 hours talk time and up to 300 hours tandby time
> CDMA model: Up to 5 hours talk time and up to 2 weeks standby time
>
> Of course, this says nothing about the battery life as a PDA ... I'm
> probably not climbing out a long limb if I said that the video would eat
> up battery life awful quick!

I usually get 5-6 hours out of my Tungsten E even with a lot of MP3 music,
e-book reading, and a little video. And the battery on the 650 is supposed
to have twice the capacity of the TE's battery. So I'd figure that heavy
use of the 650 for MP3, some video, heavy e-book reading, plus phone,
browsing, and e-mail would yield similar battery life.
--
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"I was hoping this was one of those odorless cocaine cows. I've never seen
one of those before."
"Sorry."
-- an INS agent interviewing Aaron in "Crime Dog"

Roberto Castillo
robertocastillo@ameritech.net

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:45:29 GMT, Doug Hoffman <dhoffman@journey.com> spewed
forth these words of wisdom:

>In article <guy-2510041700090001@192.168.1.100>,
> guy@ether.net (Guy Bannis) wrote:
>
>> Happy now? From PalmOne message about the Treo 650. Remarks in
>> parentheses are mine.
>>
>> 320 x320 display that can be read in sunlight
>> Integrated Bluetooth
>> *Removeable* battery
>> Nonvolatile memory (same as in T5?)
>> Digital camera captures video
>> Backlit keyboard
>
>If the camera were easily removed I'd be happy. If I bring a camera to
>work I could get fired. Many companies have this policy.
>
>I suppose I could just damage the lense or something, but I'd prefer a
>quick-remove/install camera.
>
>Regards,
>
>-Doug

They're supposed to have a camera-less model soon.

--
"I'm not a cool person in real life, but I play one on the Internet"
Galley

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<< They're supposed to have a camera-less model soon. >>

What I don't like is how they only make phones for either Verizon or Sprint. I
have ATTWS-soon-to-be-Cingular but as near as I can tell, the Treo is not
available for me. This makes as much sense as having TVs restricted to only 1
or 2 channels, cars that can only use 1 brand of gasoline, etc.


Dennis B. Swaney
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"ROMAD" <romad@aol.com.zz> wrote in message
news:20041027092816.16183.00001197@mb-m01.aol.com...
> << They're supposed to have a camera-less model soon. >>
>
> What I don't like is how they only make phones for either Verizon or
> Sprint. I
> have ATTWS-soon-to-be-Cingular but as near as I can tell, the Treo is not
> available for me. This makes as much sense as having TVs restricted to
> only 1
> or 2 channels, cars that can only use 1 brand of gasoline, etc.
>
>
> Dennis B. Swaney
> remove .zz to reply

It's not Palm's fault if ATT or any other cellular provider doesn't use
their phones. The new Treo 650 is GSM/GPRS capable and therefore ATT could
offer it if they choose to.

Cheers
TC

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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:28:16 +0000, ROMAD wrote:

> I have ATTWS-soon-to-be-Cingular but as near as I can tell, the Treo is
> not available for me. This makes as much sense as having TVs restricted
> to only 1 or 2 channels, cars that can only use 1 brand of gasoline, etc.

Actually, it's more like a Cable Modem not working on a DSL line, or in
some extreme cases a Cable Modem not working with a different provider.

The networks use differing standards to allow communication, and the Treo
tries to do the best it can. From the press release: "The Treo 650 will be
available as either a digital dual-band CDMA/1xRTT or a GSM/GPRS/EDGE
quad-band world phone".

--
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In article <pan.2004.10.27.19.43.19.156000@NOSPAMFORYOU.hotmail.com>,
Lenroc <lenroc@NOSPAMFORYOU.hotmail.com> wrote:

> The networks use differing standards to allow communication,

You could also say that the networks use differing standards to hold onto
their customer base.

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On 27 Oct 2004, at 13:28:16 [GMT GMT] (23:28:16 Wednesday, 27 October 2004
where I live) "ROMAD" wrote:

> What I don't like is how they only make phones for either Verizon or Sprint. I
> have ATTWS-soon-to-be-Cingular but as near as I can tell, the Treo is not
> available for me. This makes as much sense as having TVs restricted to only 1
> or 2 channels, cars that can only use 1 brand of gasoline, etc.

Just buy the GSM model (make sure it is not locked to a service provider),
slip in your sim card, and it will work 100%.

That is the beauty of GSM.

--
Support your local medical examiner: die strangely!

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Bruno <insert@address.here> wrote:

[Treo 650]

> They should forget the camera and put in WiFi.

I've seen this shouted so often, yet I don't understand it. Is WiFi more
ubiquitous in the US than Europe? Here in Europe you'd only be able to
take advantage of WiFi

1. at home
2. in overpriced cafes at inflated prices per hour's access
3. at the odd deliberately-open hotspot (extremely rare).

Out and about it would be useless. You'd have to deliberately seek out
WiFi hotspots and even then they'd probably cost more than the data
access over the mobile (cellular) networks.

I've even seen people claim they should have left out Bluetooth and put
in WiFi instead, which seems absolute madness to me. Similar question -
isn't Bluetooth that popular in the US? In Europe, almost all phones
(except the dirt cheap ones) have bluetooth, and there are loads of
accessories that use it. In fact, it's popular enough that there's a
couple of games that use it (google for 'bluejacking' if you're
innocent, or 'toothing' if you aren't).

In Europe Bluetooth is an essential and WiFi barely useful. Is it the
opposite in the US?

-z-

--
"I didn't expect the voice of karma to be called Bob."
-- Giles, uk.comp.sys.mac

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Lenroc <lenroc@NOSPAMFORYOU.hotmail.com> wrote:

> The networks use differing standards to allow communication

Do you guys still use analogue? I don't actually understand what the
non-GSM phone is for.

-z-

--
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me3@privacy.net (zoara) wrote:
>Lenroc <lenroc@NOSPAMFORYOU.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> The networks use differing standards to allow communication

>Do you guys still use analogue? I don't actually understand what the
>non-GSM phone is for.

The US uses multiple digital phone standards (GSM, Time Domain
Multiple Access, Code Division Multiple Access, etc) instead of
standardizing on one. Just a different paradigm, GSM's inherent
security and easy portability is A Bad Thing on this side of the pond.

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John Phillips<flatulentdingo@deadspam.com> wrote:
>Just buy the GSM model (make sure it is not locked to a service provider),
>slip in your sim card, and it will work 100%.

In the US it's difficult and very expensive to find an unlocked GSM
phone. The carriers hate them, as it leaves you free to choose your
phone and service provider independently, and reduces your desire for
1-2 year locked in service contracts. Because of the phone subsidy
inherent in our market, the percieved value of the actual telephone
handset is approximately zero.

>That is the beauty of GSM.

That's the beauty of GSM as it's practiced in the rest of the world.
GSM is only starting to take off in the US because the {TDMA,CDMA}
systems are full, and they are indistinguishable from each other to
the consumer. Imagine a conversation with a CSR who insists he must
know the EMEA (serial) number of the GSM phone that I want to use on
their network....

And then of course you have different firmware for different GSM
networks, because we couldn't all go with the same standard...

Don't get me started. Oh, wait, you already did. 8*}

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zoara wrote:
> I've seen this shouted so often, yet I don't understand it. Is WiFi more
> ubiquitous in the US than Europe? Here in Europe you'd only be able to
> take advantage of WiFi

> 1. at home
> 2. in overpriced cafes at inflated prices per hour's access

Some places offer free Wi-Fi, and some of them are MacDonalds.

> 3. at the odd deliberately-open hotspot (extremely rare).

Some experiments are being made in wide-area Wi-Fi in the US. San
Francisco plans to have free Wi-Fi coverage of the entire city.

> I've even seen people claim they should have left out Bluetooth and put
> in WiFi instead, which seems absolute madness to me. Similar question -
> isn't Bluetooth that popular in the US?

Bluetooth is indeed unpopular in the US. My wife's Apple PowerBook has
it, but my IBM ThinkPad doesn't. Both our mobile phones have it, but our
PDAs don't.

I wouldn't mind having Bluetooth on all our equipment, but right now the
only practical application is to exchange numbers between our phones,
done somewhat more easily with IR, and for my wife to send phone-camera
pictures to her PowerBook, which is a mild convenience, but hardly a
necessity, since she rarely takes pictures, and can use e-mail instead.
(I have IR on my ThinkPad, or I can use e-mail.)

--
John W. Kennedy
"Those in the seat of power oft forget their failings and seek only the
obeisance of others! Thus is bad government born! Hold in your heart
that you and the people are one, human beings all, and good government
shall arise of its own accord! Such is the path of virtue!"
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In article <clo1o01r75197hkq86erspr3s937avgdsk@4ax.com>, William P.N.
Smith wrote:

> me3@privacy.net (zoara) wrote:
> >Lenroc <lenroc@NOSPAMFORYOU.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> The networks use differing standards to allow communication
>
> >Do you guys still use analogue? I don't actually understand what the
> >non-GSM phone is for.
>
> The US uses multiple digital phone standards (GSM, Time Domain
> Multiple Access, Code Division Multiple Access, etc) instead of
> standardizing on one. Just a different paradigm, GSM's inherent
> security and easy portability is A Bad Thing on this side of the pond.

The British TV series, Absolutely Fabulous, had this saying: "I don't want
more choices. I want better things."

The U.S. believes in more choices and forgets that they don't always lead
to better things.

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nettid1@fastmail.fm aszonygya:
:I've seen this shouted so often, yet I don't understand it. Is WiFi more
:ubiquitous in the US than Europe? Here in Europe you'd only be able to
:take advantage of WiFi
:
:1. at home

Yes, isn't this a good enough reason? I can check my e-mail anywhere in the
house with my TC w/o carrying my LapTop. /Paul

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, at 08:25:09 [GMT -0400] (22:25:09 Thursday, 28 October
2004 where I live) "WilliamP.N.Smith" wrote:

> And then of course you have different firmware for different GSM
> networks, because we couldn't all go with the same standard...

I don't think that is correct. With GSM and roaming enabled, you can roam
all over the world on different networks.

The firmware may be just tweaks for the original provider, but will not stop
you using the Treo on other networks (providing again that the 'phone/Treo
is unlocked, of course). For instance Optarse in Australia tweak the
firmware for what the