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*ADMIN* Please change my thread name to - "Need help in choosing a monitor"
I am looking for a monitor with these requirements:

1) 16x9 Wide Screen
2) 22 Inch
3) 5ms or lower
4) NOT a TN panel

5) The most important one: It has to be both my TV and my computer screen!!

Please help me, I have no idea what to buy since there are so many monitors and so many opinions.

If you have any suggestions then I will happily check them out, Thank you.

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Anyone? :(

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brosh wrote :

*ADMIN* Please change my thread name to - "Need help in choosing a monitor"
I am looking for a monitor with these requirements:

1) 16x9 Wide Screen
2) 22 Inch
3) 5ms or lower
4) NOT a TN panel

5) The most important one: It has to be both my TV and my computer screen!!

Please help me, I have no idea what to buy since there are so many monitors and so many opinions.

If you have any suggestions then I will happily check them out, Thank you.



As far as I know a 22" monitor with those specifications does not exist. The only 22" monitor that has a non-TN panel is the Lenovo ThinkVision L220x. This monitor is one that I was looking at for awhile. The problem is I have not seen any REAL reviews of it, though I know it will look better than any TN 22" monitor on the market, being that its non-TN and has 1920x1200 resolution. The question that I could not answer is the amount of ghosting it will produce, though if you are not very picky, I'm almost absolutely sure that the ghosting will be managable. Also for your needs I'm not sure whether DVI will work for TV viewing or not, I have never seen any TV tuner cards for a PC with DVI, but there might be an option. This really is your only option if you are set on a 22", or do not want to spend more than $500 on a non-TN monitor. Hope this helps.

Best Price I could find:
http://www.bestbuybusiness.com/bbf [...] BB10823928

Also, the 5ms and below response time you see on most specs is only grey to gret (GTG), the actual ones that matter are almost never posted, black to black (BTB), color to color (CTC), and ON/Off. This means that a 2ms TN monitor can ghost twice as much as an 8ms non-TN panel, so always take the response time rating with a grain of salt. I for one just ignore the response time, and try to see what expert and users get with the monitors first hand.


Message edited by The_Blood_Raven on 02-18-2008 at 11:45:57 PM
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Non-TN panels are rated at 6ms or slower.

There are only three 22" monitors using a PVA panel.

1. Lenovo L220x: 1920 x 1200 resolution which can be bought for around $500.
No official reviews.

2. Ezio S2231W: Typical 22" resolution of 1680 x 1050. Costs around $750 'cause it's an Ezio and designed for image quality.
REVIEW: Eizo S2231WE-BK

3. Ezio ColorEdge CG221: If image and color precision is an absolute requirement, and you're gonna get fired if your colors are off by 0.01%, then this is the monitor for you. Cost: $4,600 - $5,500. Hey, it's an Ezio.


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Thank you very much guys!!

Do the monitors operate at those resolusions only or can they work at lower ones?

Cause as much as I want my 22'' screen, I want to work at low resolutions like 1024-768

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Yes, you can set the resolution to far below the rated resolution, the problem is everything will become very large, and if set to low resolution, say 1024x768, you may get a pixilated picture. I would not set the resolution on a 22" to below 1440 x 900, or a 24" to below 1680 x 1050. Those are my preferences and the actual resault might be different between monitors and the people looking at them. The only reason you might want to turn the resolution down however, is for gaming, atleast that I can think of. When in gaming you will not find much of a difference, the scaling is done pretty well on most newer titles, and the rest you should be able to play at the highest resolution with a video card that was decent in its day. As an example, I have a 7600 GT, and can play ES: Oblivion at max settings at 1680 x 1050. I can play the new game The Witcher at all low except texture detail at 800 x 640, so it depends on the game. If you have a 7800 and above, or an 8800 GS and above you should be fine.

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Yes, you can set the resolution to far below the rated resolution, the problem is everything will become very large, and if set to low resolution, say 1024x768, you may get a pixilated picture. I would not set the resolution on a 22" to below 1440 x 900, or a 24" to below 1680 x 1050.

Exactly, if you're going to down-scale the resolution, you'll want to keep it at the correct aspect ratio or the picture quality is going to look extremely poor.

Also, sorry if this sounds mean, but why would you buy a 22" monitor only to scale down the resolution? It's like buying an HD TV but only watching 480i video. Are you going blind or have poor eyesight so everything must be larger? If not, I'd recommend just staying with a 17-19" because you'd just be wasting money to buy a large monitor and scale it down that far.

It's your money though. :shrug:

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Yes I thought about buy a a 19'' wide.

IMPORTANT:
I don't want to use my TV card anymore - I want a screen that can be used as a TV and as a Computer screen - apart.
Meaning - connect the TV antena directly to the screen with the component cable for example.



I found this monitor:
http://www.lge.com/products/model/ [...] _1_6.jhtml

What do you guys think?

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That monitor does not look bad, but you do not need to buy a monitor that has those connections. Stick with the nicest looking and performing monitor you can buy. If you want to use it on a non-HDMI compatable tv box, then use a video card with S-video, or use an adapter. Its not worth getting a lesser monitor, when you can just buy an adapter. All television is due to go digital early next year, so you shouldn't have to worry about it.

for example:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814999903


Message edited by The_Blood_Raven on 02-22-2008 at 02:45:41 PM
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HOLY COW!!!!!

Thanks RAVEN!!!

I found the same monitor from my last post only at 22'' look:

http://www.lge.com/products/model/detail/m228wa.jhtml



What do you think???
I'm gonna order it the day after tomorrow, the 24th.

Any tips or reasons for not buying it?
Anything is good.

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I think its a nice monitor, though it has a TN panel. That said the monitor should be fine for your needs, though I still think you can find a nicer monitor for the same or less and just buy an adapter. For what it is I believe you will be happy with the monitor as long as you don't expect it to look like a 52" 1080p HD TV, or even a 720P. If you have not yet bought that monitor, then I strongly urge you to look up reviews on it before you buy. If the reviews are good and give you actual numbers then I would say its go for it. Here is a run through of the specs:

Response time: 5ms = Ok, but doesn't mean much, reviews and first hand experience will tell you the truth.
Contrast Ratio: 3000:1 = Totally useless, but shows the monitor is atleast supposed to be impressive, and most likely points to quality in its build and performance.
Resolution: 1680 x 1050 = Not full 1080P, but only 1 22" has that, and its not really that important unless you want to watch HD movies.
Pixel Pitch / Brightness = Really standard but thats not a bad thing, just shows they are honest.
Watts: 50w = This is actually very nice and efficient.
Other: Disign = I like it, its clean yet classy, very nice.


Message edited by The_Blood_Raven on 02-22-2008 at 09:59:54 PM
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I have no problems with all that you said and kinda knew it all.

3 questions:

1) What one monitor 22'' has a non TN panel?
2) I do want to watch HD movies on in... thats why I want it as big as 22'', should I still get it?
3) Where can I find reviews on it?

Thank you again, you are VERY helpful.

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Correction to q 1:
What one monitor 22'' is Full HD ready? (full 1080p)

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brosh wrote :

Correction to q 1:
What one monitor 22'' is Full HD ready? (full 1080p)



The Lenovo ThinkVision L220x is a 22" monitor that supports 1920x1080 resolution, and as a bonus has a non-TN panel so its a true 1080p monitor.

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary [...] 826C34447E



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