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Just came across this news ditty and thought that some of you folks might be
interested ...

http://tinyurl.com/8c8jt

Bob ::Noticing that they have put a cap on the expense for personal accounts
@ $90/mo.::

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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:06:59 GMT, "Bob Smith"
<usirsclt_No_Spam_@earthlink.net> wrote:

>http://tinyurl.com/8c8jt
>
>Bob ::Noticing that they have put a cap on the expense for personal accounts
>@ $90/mo.::

Heh. Nice guys, huh? $90 a month!

I think Verizon's EV-DO is pretty much a lot less than that. Not that
there aren't other problems with them.

I think all the cellular carriers are on drugs or something. We don't
want this stuff, jammed down our throats this way. We want what we
want. Not all these scams and schemes.

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Steevo@my-deja.com wrote:

>>Bob ::Noticing that they have put a cap on the expense for personal accounts
>>@ $90/mo.::
>
> Heh. Nice guys, huh? $90 a month!
>
> I think Verizon's EV-DO is pretty much a lot less than that. Not that
> there aren't other problems with them.

Does Verizon do unlimited for individual/non-business accounts? (or for
businesses, for that matter.)

I mean, think of this. This essentially means you can use as much data as
you want and not pay more than $90 if you're an individual or $80 if you're
a business.

I agree with some of the other stuff you've posted about Sprint, but I think
you're off base here.

I think what we really have to do is compare apples to apples. T-Mobile and
Cingular have data plans, right? T-Mobile has a $30 wifi plan too, but
that's not cellular, it's wifi.

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Verizon has the SAME price of $80. I switched from Verizon to Sprint and
previously used their data services. Sprint Rules! (Especially the phone
selection and coverage in Southern California)

"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
newsajsvj$mnv$2@ratbert.glorb.com...
> Steevo@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>>>Bob ::Noticing that they have put a cap on the expense for personal
>>>accounts
>>>@ $90/mo.::
>>
>> Heh. Nice guys, huh? $90 a month! I think Verizon's EV-DO is pretty
>> much a lot less than that. Not that
>> there aren't other problems with them.
>
> Does Verizon do unlimited for individual/non-business accounts? (or for
> businesses, for that matter.)
>
> I mean, think of this. This essentially means you can use as much data as
> you want and not pay more than $90 if you're an individual or $80 if
> you're a business.
>
> I agree with some of the other stuff you've posted about Sprint, but I
> think you're off base here.
>
> I think what we really have to do is compare apples to apples. T-Mobile
> and Cingular have data plans, right? T-Mobile has a $30 wifi plan too, but
> that's not cellular, it's wifi.
>
> --
> JustThe.net - Steve Sobol / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
> Coming to you from Southern California's High Desert, where the
> temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)
>
> "Life's like an hourglass glued to the table" --Anna Nalick, "Breathe"

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"Steevo@my-deja.com" <steevo@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:06:59 GMT, "Bob Smith"
> <usirsclt_No_Spam_@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/8c8jt
> >
> >Bob ::Noticing that they have put a cap on the expense for personal
accounts
> >@ $90/mo.::
>
> Heh. Nice guys, huh? $90 a month!
>
> I think Verizon's EV-DO is pretty much a lot less than that. Not that
> there aren't other problems with them.
>
> I think all the cellular carriers are on drugs or something. We don't
> want this stuff, jammed down our throats this way. We want what we
> want. Not all these scams and schemes.

Scams & Schemes? Maybe this EV-DO service doesn't interest you, but there is
a multitude of folks out there that does interest them, to have the ability
to email to the home office, client, friends or family while on the road.
Or, for those folks who like to surf the net while away from their home or
business isp.

If I start getting on the road a bit more, I'll be subscribing to the
service, as a $90 monthly cost is cheap, when it comes to passing on data
from clients to home office or visa versa, in getting new business or
maintaining current customers.

Bob

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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:59:47 GMT, "Steevo@my-deja.com"
<steevo@my-deja.com> wrote:
>I think all the cellular carriers are on drugs or something.

As that statement pertains to pricing for EV-DO, I'd have to agree.
From the article that Bob posted, the charge will be $40/month for 40
megabits (Mbits) of data.

40 Mbits * 1024 kbits/Mbit = 40960 kbits
40960 kbits / 400 kbits/s =~ 102 seconds

So, I'd be paying $40 dollars for less than two minutes of data
transfer per month. Perhaps I'll pass on that. Instead, I'll pay a
few bucks for WiFi in the airport if I really need it, or use
Vision/laptop for a few minutes, or wait until I get to the hotel,
where Internet access is free (it's getting *much* easier to find
reasonbly priced hotels that offer free Internet access).

Joe Huber
huber.joseph@comcast.net

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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:50:39 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

>Does Verizon do unlimited for individual/non-business accounts? (or for
>businesses, for that matter.)

$44.99 a month unlimited according to Verizon on the phone right now.
You have to have a blackberry or palm treo or other pda phone

$59.99 unlimited with a ev-do phone like an LG-VX8000

$5/month for mobile web, it comes out of your minutes on a regular
phone. If you have lotsa minutes that might be the cheapest.

Not sure what the difference is. I tried several at verizon, they all
seemed to be same speed for what I looked at. EV-DO seemed no better
for regular websites. Admittedly it was a brief test.

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Steevo@my-deja.com wrote:

> $44.99 a month unlimited according to Verizon on the phone right now.
> You have to have a blackberry or palm treo or other pda phone

Is that a promo? If not, I'm shocked that Verizon actually undercut Sprint
on price.

> Not sure what the difference is. I tried several at verizon, they all
> seemed to be same speed for what I looked at. EV-DO seemed no better
> for regular websites. Admittedly it was a brief test.

1xEVDO is supposed to be up to 400-500Kbps througput. 1xRTT tops out at a
theoretical limit of 115Kbps (ISDN speeds).

--
JustThe.net - Steve Sobol / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
Coming to you from Southern California's High Desert, where the
temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)

"Life's like an hourglass glued to the table" --Anna Nalick, "Breathe"

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Verizon EVDO is a lot faster than 1XRTT! I have used one of the Verizon
EVDO cards in the San Diego area and therefore have firsthand experience
with the performance. Verizon did not roll-out EVDO in all markets. Maybe
you were in a market where EVDO was not available.

"Steve Sobol" <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
newsaku2o$s2n$1@ratbert.glorb.com...
> Steevo@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>> $44.99 a month unlimited according to Verizon on the phone right now. You
>> have to have a blackberry or palm treo or other pda phone
>
> Is that a promo? If not, I'm shocked that Verizon actually undercut Sprint
> on price.
>
>> Not sure what the difference is. I tried several at verizon, they all
>> seemed to be same speed for what I looked at. EV-DO seemed no better
>> for regular websites. Admittedly it was a brief test.
>
> 1xEVDO is supposed to be up to 400-500Kbps througput. 1xRTT tops out at a
> theoretical limit of 115Kbps (ISDN speeds).
>
> --
> JustThe.net - Steve Sobol / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
> Coming to you from Southern California's High Desert, where the
> temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)
>
> "Life's like an hourglass glued to the table" --Anna Nalick, "Breathe"

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Joseph Huber wrote:
> So, I'd be paying $40 dollars for less than two minutes of data
> transfer per month. Perhaps I'll pass on that. Instead, I'll pay a
> few bucks for WiFi in the airport if I really need it, or use
> Vision/laptop for a few minutes, or wait until I get to the hotel,
> where Internet access is free (it's getting *much* easier to find
> reasonbly priced hotels that offer free Internet access).

Yep. I stayed at a Comfort Suites hotel recently, and the whole
chain has free WiFi in all rooms. Even if you're not a payin guest,
you can go sit in the lobby and use their WiFi.

--
John Richards

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On Fri, 08 Jul 2005 04:25:40 GMT, "John Richards"
<jr70@blackhole.invalid> wrote:

>Joseph Huber wrote:
>> So, I'd be paying $40 dollars for less than two minutes of data
>> transfer per month. Perhaps I'll pass on that. Instead, I'll pay a
>> few bucks for WiFi in the airport if I really need it, or use
>> Vision/laptop for a few minutes, or wait until I get to the hotel,
>> where Internet access is free (it's getting *much* easier to find
>> reasonbly priced hotels that offer free Internet access).
>
>Yep. I stayed at a Comfort Suites hotel recently, and the whole
>chain has free WiFi in all rooms. Even if you're not a payin guest,
>you can go sit in the lobby and use their WiFi.

Perhaps slightly OT for this group, but how did they provide WiFi in
each room? The reason I ask is that I recently spent a night at a Days
Inn where they initially claimed that every room had WiFi available. I
couldn't get squat so I called the Front Desk and the guy said he had
a Linksys WRT-54G down in the lobby. Hmmm, I thought, that means there
are about 40 walls to pass through, so no wonder I didn't see any
signal up in my room at the far end of the building. I'm just curious
how they get a usable signal into each room at Comfort Suites.

--
Paul Miner

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In article <n4gze.6007$aY6.5088@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Bob Smith" <usirsclt_No_Spam_@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Scams & Schemes? Maybe this EV-DO service doesn't interest you, but there is
> a multitude of folks out there that does interest them, to have the ability
> to email to the home office, client, friends or family while on the road.
> Or, for those folks who like to surf the net while away from their home or
> business isp.
>
> If I start getting on the road a bit more, I'll be subscribing to the
> service, as a $90 monthly cost is cheap, when it comes to passing on data
> from clients to home office or visa versa, in getting new business or
> maintaining current customers.

A couple years ago, I would have jumped on that, and I never travel.
For the first year I lived in my current apartment, the best internet
connection I could get was 128 kbit/second ISDN.

For the next year or so, the best I could get was 144 kbit/second IDSL,
for around $100 month.

That EV-DO at $90/month would have been a much better deal.

(Since then, Sprint started offering real DSL here, and the cable
company started offering internet service, so $90/month EV-DO is no
longer exciting, since, like I said, I never travel).

--
--Tim Smith

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On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 21:15:36 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
wrote:

>Steevo@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>> $44.99 a month unlimited according to Verizon on the phone right now.
>> You have to have a blackberry or palm treo or other pda phone
>
>Is that a promo? If not, I'm shocked that Verizon actually undercut Sprint
>on price.
>
>> Not sure what the difference is. I tried several at verizon, they all
>> seemed to be same speed for what I looked at. EV-DO seemed no better
>> for regular websites. Admittedly it was a brief test.
>
>1xEVDO is supposed to be up to 400-500Kbps througput. 1xRTT tops out at a
>theoretical limit of 115Kbps (ISDN speeds).

For me, the difference between EV-DO and 1xRTT is like night and day.
I typically run Outlook over a VPN, against an Exchange mail server,
and while it's dog slow over 1xRTT it's extremely usable over EV-DO.
Sharing a document via NetMeeting also illustrates the improvement.

--
Paul Miner

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John Richards wrote:
> Joseph Huber wrote:
>> Vision/laptop for a few minutes, or wait until I get to the hotel,
>> where Internet access is free (it's getting *much* easier to find
>> reasonbly priced hotels that offer free Internet access).
>
> Yep. I stayed at a Comfort Suites hotel recently, and the whole
> chain has free WiFi in all rooms. Even if you're not a payin guest,
> you can go sit in the lobby and use their WiFi.

I travel a lot on business. Most all of the hotels I've stayed at that
offer free WiFi use a proxy server-based authentication system. You are
given a password at check-in, and sometimes the password must be used
with a username (generally, your room number).

In fact, the last Comfort Suites I stayed in did exactly that (password
only). So while I could certainly use WiFi in the lobby, someone
wandering in off the street without a password could not (as, IMO, it
should be).

At the (few) hotels I stayed at that had didn't use proxy
authentication, WiFi was generally poorly setup, and of course very
insecure--as were the users (just as a test, I was able to get full
access to some clueless user's C: drive). Amazing...


--
Mike