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In essence, I still do believe a TE2 may be coming out this fall.
 
The major changes on it will be Bluetooth and 320x480.....
 
However, the big question is.....how much will it cost?
 
Is it ignorant for me to assume that they could cram those high tech
features in TE2, and still keep the price at US $200?
 
I think so, but my reasoning is this: Zire 71 was priced at $300, and
when TE was released, it was priced at $200. Now Z72 is out and priced
at $300, they'll do the same kind of price matching, and TE2 will be
priced at $200. The logic is that if you want the camera, pay the $100
extra for one, just like the TE vs Zire 71 shopping comparison.
 
Also, the cost of technology is going down at a rapid pace. But
PalmOne tends to keep prices high since it is a relatively small
company though; that's why it's more believable if a company like Dell
released TE2 for $200 ----- they're large enough to handle such low
prices.
 
Any extra speculation is welcomed.

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darkcomet@att.net (Christopher) wrote in news:be09aeca.0405251906.7547334
@posting.google.com:
 
> Any extra speculation is welcomed.
 
I'd pay a bit extra for a second SD slot (like on the Zarsus (sp?))... much  
more useful than a camera.
 
-S-

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"Christopher" <darkcomet@att.net> wrote in message news:be09aeca.0405251906.7547334@posting.google.com...
> In essence, I still do believe a TE2 may be coming out this fall.
>
> The major changes on it will be Bluetooth and 320x480.....
>
> However, the big question is.....how much will it cost?
 
I still think it is coming out, but my guess is that it'll be a more
minor revision to the E. I think it'll just add Bluetooth and
updated OS (to match the new Zires). If they add 320x480
then I don't see how they would differentiate it adequately
from the T3 (or the T4 which I would guess will also come
out sometime this year, presumeably as PalmOne's first Cobalt
device).
 
If the E2 does stay at 320x320 then I think it will definitely
maintain the same price point. If it goes 320x480 then I don't
know. There is the T3 and the Sony TH55 both setting
upper price bounds. The TH55 is about $350 from Amazon
and adds a camera plus WiFi to the E2 (although no Bluetooth
in the US) so I can't see that PalmOne could push the price
of a 320x480 E2 much beyond $275.
 
This is all of huge interest to me. I am _so_ close to jumping
to Sony and getting a TH55 but I'm just going to wait until the
end of the summer to see whether Palm do release any new
Tungstens.
 
    Julian

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I don't think they will put such a high-end feature (320x480) on such a  
low-end model, and certainly not for $200. Most likely, we'll see a  
sliderless 320x480 display in a new T|T. (Rumor has it that PalmOne will  
drop the slider in new T|T models.)
 
-Laurens

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While intrepidly exploring comp.sys.palmtops.pilot, Laurens rolled  
initiative and posted the following:
 
> (Rumor has it that PalmOne will  
> drop the slider in new T|T models.)
 
Now there's a rumor that I LIKE!
 
--  
Derek
 
The tallest blade of grass is the first to be cut by the lawn mower.

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darkcomet@att.net (Christopher) wrote in message news:<be09aeca.0405251906.7547334@posting.google.com>...
> In essence, I still do believe a TE2 may be coming out this fall.
>  
> The major changes on it will be Bluetooth and 320x480.....
>  
> However, the big question is.....how much will it cost?
>  
> Is it ignorant for me to assume that they could cram those high tech
> features in TE2, and still keep the price at US $200?
>  
> I think so, but my reasoning is this: Zire 71 was priced at $300, and
> when TE was released, it was priced at $200. Now Z72 is out and priced
> at $300, they'll do the same kind of price matching, and TE2 will be
> priced at $200. The logic is that if you want the camera, pay the $100
> extra for one, just like the TE vs Zire 71 shopping comparison.
>  
> Also, the cost of technology is going down at a rapid pace. But
> PalmOne tends to keep prices high since it is a relatively small
> company though; that's why it's more believable if a company like Dell
> released TE2 for $200 ----- they're large enough to handle such low
> prices.
>  
> Any extra speculation is welcomed.
 
I believe everything you do, including the price, but I don't believe
the TE2 will have Bluetooth.  I think the TE is intended to be the
bottom of the T line for people who need an organizer/game/mp3 machine
but no connectivity.  If you want connectivity, you'll have to spend a
little more and get a Z72 or a T3.
 
As a side note, I have a TT, but I have not used the Bluetooth once
since I have had it, and WiFi would be useless in my remote area.  I
don't think Palm's doing the wrong thing by keeping a Bluetooth-less &
WiFi-less model.

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Laurens <spam@block.com> wrote:
>(Rumor has it that PalmOne will  
>drop the slider in new T|T models.)
 
That would be nice, if it's not just wishful thinking on the part of
the rumormongers.  I still think I'm doing the TapWave thing next, I'm
really disliking my T|T and T|T3
 
--  
William Smith
ComputerSmiths Consulting, Inc.    www.compusmiths.com

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William P.N. Smith wrote in message news:<bcb9b0dkqivh7jbvattgo7oe38q1urkq19@4ax.com>...
> Laurens <spam@block.com> wrote:
> >(Rumor has it that PalmOne will  
> >drop the slider in new T|T models.)
>  
> That would be nice, if it's not just wishful thinking on the part of
> the rumormongers.  I still think I'm doing the TapWave thing next, I'm
> really disliking my T|T and T|T3
 
No it is not just a wishful thinking rumor. Supposedly some reliable
sources from China (the same ones who sent Zire 31 pics?) stated that
all T's will be sliderless from now on.
 
This makes sense on an economic standpoint; Tungsten E's (sliderless)
has sold a lot, so that gives PalmOne a financial motive to make
future PDA's sliderless. Sliderless PDA's = more profit.
 
Besides, PalmOne has to compete with Sony Clie's TH55's tablet design.

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"Julian" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<i%Zsc.24830$FV7.24080@doctor.cableinet.net>...
 
> I still think it is coming out, but my guess is that it'll be a more
> minor revision to the E. I think it'll just add Bluetooth and
> updated OS (to match the new Zires). If they add 320x480
> then I don't see how they would differentiate it adequately
> from the T3 (or the T4 which I would guess will also come
> out sometime this year, presumeably as PalmOne's first Cobalt
> device).
>  
 
A lot could be differentiated between T4 and TE2, with T4 being a more
professional model. Tungsten T4 could have bluetooth and wi-fi, 128
megs of RAM, dual SD slots, Palm OS 6 (cobalt), etc. Tungsten E2 could
just be 320x480 and bluetooth, but then, that's it. No extra ram, only
1 sd slot, standard Palm OS garnet, etc. TE2 could just be a cheaper
alternative for people who don't want all sorts of fancy schmancy high
tech features.
 
> If the E2 does stay at 320x320 then I think it will definitely
> maintain the same price point. If it goes 320x480 then I don't
 
Agreed. But, not to make this a PPC vs Palm post, but PPC has a huge
screen and their price point can go as low as US $150 ------ my
question is, why can't Palm release a 320x480 device at around $200?
Is it that expensive? We just sort of take for granted the fact that
we expect PalmOne products to be overpriced ------ as if it were a
prestigious company like Mercedes or something.
 
> This is all of huge interest to me. I am _so_ close to jumping
> to Sony and getting a TH55 but I'm just going to wait until the
> end of the summer to see whether Palm do release any new
> Tungstens.
>  
 
I'm waiting also, although I wish there could be a good PDA now for me
to buy. I won't go with clie's because I like PalmOne's enhancements
to the PIM software without having to use something complicated like
Datebk5. The poor stylus on Clie's are also a deal killer for me.

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> Besides, PalmOne has to compete with Sony Clie's TH55's tablet design.
 
And also the Zodiac 2 by Tapwave (www.tapwave.com no I don't work for them.
I just like the product). I just got one. 320x480 screen, 128MB RAM, one SD
slot, one SD/SDIO slot (I put a 256MB 60x in one so I can watch movies when
traveling or camping and an old 128MB from my previous m500 in slot 2 for
books and MP3's), stereo sound (as in two speakers on the unit), headphone
jack and built in MP3 support, analog joystick, trigger buttons like some
game systems have, an 8MB ATI video card etc etc. Oh, and the battery seems
to last a looonnggg time. I love it. This is the best PDA I have ever owned,
or for that matter held in my hands. The pictures at there web site do not
do it justice. The pictures make it look bulky, but it's no. Easily fits in
a shirt pocket. Very thin and it's all metal case and over all construction
make it feel like it's machined out of one solid piece of metal. I mean it
feels like it could stop a bullet it's so solid. Only down point so far is
that it's only 200MHz and I would love to have the fastest CPU possible. But
I can't have everything. I think the 8MB video card more then makes up for
the speed for now. I just can't wait until Zodiac model 4 or 5 in the years
to come.
 
Regards,
 
-Skon

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"[]--SkonOfVulcan--[]" <skonofvulcan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10bg9lris122b49@corp.supernews.com...
> > Besides, PalmOne has to compete with Sony Clie's TH55's tablet design.
>
> And also the Zodiac 2 by Tapwave (www.tapwave.com no I don't work for
them.
> I just like the product). I just got one. 320x480 screen, 128MB RAM, one
SD
> slot, one SD/SDIO slot (I put a 256MB 60x in one so I can watch movies
when
> traveling or camping and an old 128MB from my previous m500 in slot 2 for
> books and MP3's), stereo sound (as in two speakers on the unit), headphone
> jack and built in MP3 support, analog joystick, trigger buttons like some
> game systems have, an 8MB ATI video card etc etc. Oh, and the battery
seems
> to last a looonnggg time. I love it. This is the best PDA I have ever
owned,
> or for that matter held in my hands. The pictures at there web site do not
> do it justice. The pictures make it look bulky, but it's no. Easily fits
in
> a shirt pocket. Very thin and it's all metal case and over all
construction
> make it feel like it's machined out of one solid piece of metal. I mean it
> feels like it could stop a bullet it's so solid. Only down point so far is
> that it's only 200MHz and I would love to have the fastest CPU possible.
But
> I can't have everything. I think the 8MB video card more then makes up for
> the speed for now. I just can't wait until Zodiac model 4 or 5 in the
years
> to come.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Skon
 
 
Oh, and did I mention the reason I replied to this thread in the first
place? It was because I kept waiting and waiting to see if this 'E2' rumor
was going to be true or not to decide on which route to go for my next PDA.
I waited and waited and waited.... but nothing happened. Then I stumbled
across the Zodiac, which I had never even heard of before. Even if the did
come out with an 'E2' (which is what I wanted in the first place) I wouldn't
trade it for my Zodiac. Even if it was 1/2 the price!
 
Regards,
 
-Skon

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"Christopher" <darkcomet@att.net> wrote in message news:be09aeca.0405281708.276e288c@posting.google.com...
> "Julian" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<i%Zsc.24830$FV7.24080@doctor.cableinet.net>...
 
> > I still think it is coming out, but my guess is that it'll be a more
> > minor revision to the E. I think it'll just add Bluetooth and
> > updated OS (to match the new Zires). If they add 320x480
> > then I don't see how they would differentiate it adequately
> > from the T3 (or the T4 <SNIP>
>
> A lot could be differentiated between T4 and TE2, with T4 being a more
> professional model. Tungsten T4 could have bluetooth and wi-fi, 128
> megs of RAM, dual SD slots, Palm OS 6 (cobalt), etc. Tungsten E2 could
> just be 320x480 and bluetooth, but then, that's it.
 
Yeah, you're right. I should have limited my comments to the T3, with
the implication being that if a 320x480 TE2 comes out then that
kills the T3 stone dead so Palm either introduce the T4 at the same
time (which is likely, since they tend to like to announce more than
one new model at a time) or else they run with only one active
Tuungsten in the range (the TE2) until the T4 comes out. My guess
if E2 is 320x480 would be the former, i.e. announce TE2 and T4
together, which unfortunately probably means that a mid-summer
release for a TE2 is too early and we are looking at the fall.
 
> > This is all of huge interest to me. I am _so_ close to jumping
> > to Sony and getting a TH55 but I'm just going to wait until the
> > end of the summer to see whether Palm do release any new
> > Tungstens.
> >
>
> I'm waiting also, although I wish there could be a good PDA now for me
> to buy. I won't go with clie's because I like PalmOne's enhancements
> to the PIM software without having to use something complicated like
> Datebk5. The poor stylus on Clie's are also a deal killer for me.
 
The Clie stylus so bad as to be a deal killer! I guess I should try it.
Everytime I've played with a Clie I've used my own stylus because
on display models the real stylus always seems to have dissappeared.
 
I'm also pretty happy with the Palm PIM, but I still find it hard to
believe that they haven't implemented contact linking after all these
years. If I dod go to a Clie then I definitely wouldn't use the Clie
Organiser although I might end up looking at Agendus.
 
A final parting comment, regardless of all this I really do hope that
Palm are putting a _lot_ (and I mean really a lot) of thought and
effort into maximizing battery life. With all my reservations about the
Clie, that > 8 hour battery life with networking enabled is certainly
tempting and may well end up as too good to resist. I find it hard to
imagine that Palm can jump from their existing 3.5 hours or so for the
T3 (with Bluetooth on) up to 8 or 9 hours.
 
    Julian

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In article news:<p4%tc.31775$FV7.22302@doctor.cableinet.net>,  
Julian wrote:
> ... the implication being that if a 320x480 TE2 comes out
> then that kills the T3 stone dead ...
 
This thread is full of interesting speculation, but ...
 
So far the 'E' models have all been low-end, sliderless, ARM Palms  
and the 'T' models have been high-end ARM Palms with slider, PUC,  
Bluetooth and a voice recorder (and the Zire 7xs have been  
somewhere in between, but with a camera).
 
What rings falsely in my ears is the idea that a T|E2 might have  
Bluetooth. Why do people think that? No other 'E' has it.
 
My guess would be that the T|E2 will be a sliderless model with a  
480x320 display, but will have plain USB connector, no Bluetooth,  
and no voice recorder. There's still a significant difference  
between that spec and the T|T3 -- enough to keep the T3 in the  
catalogue.
 
Personally, if a T|E2 appears that *does* have the larger display  
*and* Bluetooth, and no slider or voice recorder (or camera) I'll  
very likely buy one, so I hope you're right -- but I don't see Palm  
One heading that was at the moment.
 
Cheers,
 Daniel.

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"Daniel James" <wastebasket@nospam.aaisp.org> wrote in message news:VA.000006ed.23db623d@nospam.aaisp.org...
> In article news:<p4%tc.31775$FV7.22302@doctor.cableinet.net>,
> Julian wrote:
> > ... the implication being that if a 320x480 TE2 comes out
> > then that kills the T3 stone dead ...
>
> This thread is full of interesting speculation, but ...
> <SNIP>
> What rings falsely in my ears is the idea that a T|E2 might have
> Bluetooth. Why do people think that? No other 'E' has it.
 
Personally, I have 2 reasons: (1) Bluetooth component prices
are coming down and Palm also just added Bluetooth to the top
of their Zire range so they are gaining a lot of experience with
integrating it into their systems. The more systems they put it into,
the lower their purchasing departments can drive the price point
(which is low already because the volumes created elsewhere in
the market by mobile phones and accessories is huge). (2) there
has been lots of discussion about how Palm is not staying true to
the concept of the "Universal Connector" which is now far from
universal across their range. Bluetooth gives them one interesting
path forward as far as a connectivity standard is concerned while
being free to tinker with the physical connectors in the future
without obsoleting people's Bluetooth peripherals.
 
I will admit that maybe there is a third reason that I want it to be
true so badly that it clouds my judgement and makes me see
things that I want to see, but none the less I do think my 2 reasons
have some merit.
 
> <SNIP>
> Personally, if a T|E2 appears that *does* have the larger display
> *and* Bluetooth, and no slider or voice recorder (or camera) I'll
> very likely buy one...
 
Me too, it would be exactly the Palm I was looking for, as long as
battery life doesn't deteriorate. It would also be nice if they could
use a slightly better coating on the case to make it a bit more matt
so it doesn't show finger marks and a bit tougher so it doesn't scratch
so easily.
 
    Julian

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"[]--SkonOfVulcan--[]" <skonofvulcan@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<10bg9lris122b49@corp.supernews.com>...
> > Besides, PalmOne has to compete with Sony Clie's TH55's tablet design.
>  
> And also the Zodiac 2 by Tapwave  
..
..
> Only down point so far is
> that it's only 200MHz and I would love to have the fastest CPU possible.  
 
Historically, video games systems have always had slower CPU speeds.
The clock speed for the original Nintendo was 1.773447MHz
http://www.games4nintendo.com/nes/specs.php ), and the Super Nintendo
had CPU: WDC 65C816 16 bit processor running at 1.79, 2.68 MHz, or
3.58 MHz, changeable
(http://www.fact-index.com/s/su/super_nintendo_entertainment_system.html)
 
Even modern day video games systems like Playstation 1 only ran at 33
MHz, Nintendo 64 at 100 MHz, and X-box only at 733 MHz (which is slow
compared to 3.0 GHz Pentium 4's nowadays)
 
Getting back to PDA's, my point is that these video game systems
relied on graphics processors, and less on CPU speed itself for
overall performance. I believe the same principle applies to Zodiac
too. You have all sorts of other graphics processors which make up for
it, just like other gaming systems from the past. So having 200 MHz in
Zodiac isn't all that bad, since the CPU by itself is not the only
component

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"Christopher" <darkcomet@att.net> wrote in message
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> "[]--SkonOfVulcan--[]" <skonofvulcan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<10bg9lris122b49@corp.supernews.com>...
> > > Besides, PalmOne has to compete with Sony Clie's TH55's tablet design.
> >
> > And also the Zodiac 2 by Tapwave
> .
> .
> > Only down point so far is
> > that it's only 200MHz and I would love to have the fastest CPU possible.
>
> Historically, video games systems have always had slower CPU speeds.
> The clock speed for the original Nintendo was 1.773447MHz
> http://www.games4nintendo.com/nes/specs.php ), and the Super Nintendo
> had CPU: WDC 65C816 16 bit processor running at 1.79, 2.68 MHz, or
> 3.58 MHz, changeable
> (http://www.fact-index.com/s/su/super_nintendo_entertainment_system.html)
>
> Even modern day video games systems like Playstation 1 only ran at 33
> MHz, Nintendo 64 at 100 MHz, and X-box only at 733 MHz (which is slow
> compared to 3.0 GHz Pentium 4's nowadays)
>
> Getting back to PDA's, my point is that these video game systems
> relied on graphics processors, and less on CPU speed itself for
> overall performance. I believe the same principle applies to Zodiac
> too. You have all sorts of other graphics processors which make up for
> it, just like other gaming systems from the past. So having 200 MHz in
> Zodiac isn't all that bad, since the CPU by itself is not the only
> component
 
All true! So far this has been the best PDA I have ever used. Weather I play
a 3D 1st person game, do word processing  with Word Smith (included), use
the std PDA tools (contacts, planner etc.), browse the web via Bluetooth
(very cool. I check my e-mail on the Zodiac from my recliner while watching
TV), use it with a small Belkin FM transmitter and Sony wireless headset for
MP3's while riding my bike, watch movies I've recorded from DVD or cable....
the list goes on and on. For me this device takes the place of so many other
individual devices I can't even come up with a total number was to what all
the functions are that it can do. I was originally waiting for the TE2 to
come out... but now that I have the Zodiac and can see all the things it can
do that hypothetical TE2 would not even come close to doing.
 
Regards,
 
- Skon