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Why are there pirates?
..
1. Its a challenge and a hobby.
2. The price of TV is starting to get out of hand.
3. Competition is almost gone and the price will keep going up.

The record industry is in the same boat. They charge too much for what you
get then sue the people that d/l music illegally but are at the same time
being sued for NOT paying the people that make the music. Has been this way
since the record industry started. A few companies hold all the cards. An
independent study has proven that music pirating has little or NO effect on
the industry and in some cases helps it.
TV is getting the same way. A few companies means less competition and
higher prices. Cable prices in some states have risen 30% in 2 years for the
same package. A basic Dish on a stick package is up to $32 and 2/3 of the
stations are not worth watching. On the other hand most stations that
pirates get free they wouldn't pay for any way if they had no choice.

The real problem is what ever they charge we pay, so supply and demand.
Charge as much as the market will bear. If we didn't buy the price would
come down, many people wont pay so they pirate. It will never stop.
just my 2cents

I got my first C band system in the early 70's most I made. Not to pirate
but because it was fun, then the scrambled. They givith and they takeith
away.

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NO!You're wrong!

The reason there are pirates is the the same as the reason why people
speed!Regardless of what speed the limit is raised to,or what speed I
do,it's NEVER enough for most people!

Why? Pride,rebellion and self-will + no fear of death + selfishness!

With signal piracy -add GREED!

NO matter how LOW the prices were satellite\cable pirates are cheap,greedy
and want something for nothing,AND are masters of self-delusion...ie:
rationalizing away "stealing" and "theft!"

If you're supposed to pay for it(that's why it's a 'subscription' service!)
and you're "hacking" the signal -you are STEALING!

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"JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:109p5rcpg4fhr8e@corp.supernews.com...
> Why are there pirates?
> .
> 1. Its a challenge and a hobby.
> 2. The price of TV is starting to get out of hand.
> 3. Competition is almost gone and the price will keep going up.
>
> The record industry is in the same boat. They charge too much for what you
> get then sue the people that d/l music illegally but are at the same time
> being sued for NOT paying the people that make the music. Has been this
way
> since the record industry started. A few companies hold all the cards. An
> independent study has proven that music pirating has little or NO effect
on
> the industry and in some cases helps it.
> TV is getting the same way. A few companies means less competition and
> higher prices. Cable prices in some states have risen 30% in 2 years for
the
> same package. A basic Dish on a stick package is up to $32 and 2/3 of the
> stations are not worth watching. On the other hand most stations that
> pirates get free they wouldn't pay for any way if they had no choice.
>
> The real problem is what ever they charge we pay, so supply and demand.
> Charge as much as the market will bear. If we didn't buy the price would
> come down, many people wont pay so they pirate. It will never stop.
> just my 2cents
>
> I got my first C band system in the early 70's most I made. Not to pirate
> but because it was fun, then the scrambled. They givith and they takeith
> away.
>
>


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So what do you call someone that pays for a station on one system like
C-Band and watches it on another like DTV? If you pay for it on C band then
it should be free on DTV and Dish and any other system you own. Still a
pirate?
What about the guy that backs up his DVD which is copywrited? The DCMA makes
that illegal. What will you do when the new TV's with the non copying chip
appear this fall to prevent recording of TV shows? That's part of the DCMA
also. They raise a flag and you cant record the show. What about Longhorn
Windows when it ever gets here, you wont even own it if you buy it and it
will record all your software serial numbers and check if their leagle. You
cant even legally back up a game or music CD you buy anymore, due to the
DCMA. So keep eating what they feed you. Watch your freedom go away.
ANYTHING copywrited can NOT be legally copied, PERIOD including if you
bought it. www.eff.org


"Valdivar" <rebelleader68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lranc.104215$ZJ5.2339794@news20.bellglobal.com...
> NO!You're wrong!
>
> The reason there are pirates is the the same as the reason why people
> speed!Regardless of what speed the limit is raised to,or what speed I
> do,it's NEVER enough for most people!
>
> Why? Pride,rebellion and self-will + no fear of death + selfishness!
>
> With signal piracy -add GREED!
>
> NO matter how LOW the prices were satellite\cable pirates are cheap,greedy
> and want something for nothing,AND are masters of self-delusion...ie:
> rationalizing away "stealing" and "theft!"
>
> If you're supposed to pay for it(that's why it's a 'subscription'
service!)
> and you're "hacking" the signal -you are STEALING!
>
> --
>
> "JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:109p5rcpg4fhr8e@corp.supernews.com...
> > Why are there pirates?
> > .
> > 1. Its a challenge and a hobby.
> > 2. The price of TV is starting to get out of hand.
> > 3. Competition is almost gone and the price will keep going up.
> >
> > The record industry is in the same boat. They charge too much for what
you
> > get then sue the people that d/l music illegally but are at the same
time
> > being sued for NOT paying the people that make the music. Has been this
> way
> > since the record industry started. A few companies hold all the cards.
An
> > independent study has proven that music pirating has little or NO effect
> on
> > the industry and in some cases helps it.
> > TV is getting the same way. A few companies means less competition
and
> > higher prices. Cable prices in some states have risen 30% in 2 years for
> the
> > same package. A basic Dish on a stick package is up to $32 and 2/3 of
the
> > stations are not worth watching. On the other hand most stations that
> > pirates get free they wouldn't pay for any way if they had no choice.
> >
> > The real problem is what ever they charge we pay, so supply and demand.
> > Charge as much as the market will bear. If we didn't buy the price would
> > come down, many people wont pay so they pirate. It will never stop.
> > just my 2cents
> >
> > I got my first C band system in the early 70's most I made. Not to
pirate
> > but because it was fun, then the scrambled. They givith and they takeith
> > away.
> >
> >
>
>
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I call them thieves.

That person did not pay for the DTV feed. If you buy Microsoft
Off ice at Best Buy that does not give you the right to go to
Circuit City and pull a box off the shelf and walk out without
paying.




"JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:109qflkb68d3t2f@corp.supernews.com...
| So what do you call someone that pays for a station on one system like
| C-Band and watches it on another like DTV? If you pay for it on C band then
| it should be free on DTV and Dish and any other system you own. Still a
| pirate?

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go away express view worker
"Valdivar" <rebelleader68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lranc.104215$ZJ5.2339794@news20.bellglobal.com...
> NO!You're wrong!
>
> The reason there are pirates is the the same as the reason why people
> speed!Regardless of what speed the limit is raised to,or what speed I
> do,it's NEVER enough for most people!
>
> Why? Pride,rebellion and self-will + no fear of death + selfishness!
>
> With signal piracy -add GREED!
>
> NO matter how LOW the prices were satellite\cable pirates are cheap,greedy
> and want something for nothing,AND are masters of self-delusion...ie:
> rationalizing away "stealing" and "theft!"
>
> If you're supposed to pay for it(that's why it's a 'subscription'
service!)
> and you're "hacking" the signal -you are STEALING!
>
> --
>
> "JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:109p5rcpg4fhr8e@corp.supernews.com...
> > Why are there pirates?
> > .
> > 1. Its a challenge and a hobby.
> > 2. The price of TV is starting to get out of hand.
> > 3. Competition is almost gone and the price will keep going up.
> >
> > The record industry is in the same boat. They charge too much for what
you
> > get then sue the people that d/l music illegally but are at the same
time
> > being sued for NOT paying the people that make the music. Has been this
> way
> > since the record industry started. A few companies hold all the cards.
An
> > independent study has proven that music pirating has little or NO effect
> on
> > the industry and in some cases helps it.
> > TV is getting the same way. A few companies means less competition
and
> > higher prices. Cable prices in some states have risen 30% in 2 years for
> the
> > same package. A basic Dish on a stick package is up to $32 and 2/3 of
the
> > stations are not worth watching. On the other hand most stations that
> > pirates get free they wouldn't pay for any way if they had no choice.
> >
> > The real problem is what ever they charge we pay, so supply and demand.
> > Charge as much as the market will bear. If we didn't buy the price would
> > come down, many people wont pay so they pirate. It will never stop.
> > just my 2cents
> >
> > I got my first C band system in the early 70's most I made. Not to
pirate
> > but because it was fun, then the scrambled. They givith and they takeith
> > away.
> >
> >
>
>
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Stealing a box from Wal-Mart is not the same thing as making a backup copy
of something you already own. I am NOT advocating being a pirate I'm just
trying to enlighten people that day by day more and more things we used to
take for granted are now illegal. I know many people like my son that has
two small kids and has bought many DVD's, the kids scratch them and he has
to buy a new DVD. Although he has made backup copies of the best ones, he IS
breaking the law. Fair use NO longer protects you for making a back up copy
of something you bought. It is being challenged but its still illegal. Soon
HDTV will be illegal to copy, IF the stations elect to raise the broadcast
flag.

Yes there is a difference in the DTV feed because you cant subscribe to just
one station. However if you buy the programming content to watch, why
shouldn't it be leagle to watch it on any system? On the subject of MS
office, If you own several computers why should you have to buy Multiple
copies? You can only use one at the same time. If you read the small prin.
You must uninstall it from one computer before you use it on another. The
same for Windows and with longhorn it will be enforced.

What I'm saying is that we just sit and let the corporations do what ever
they want and we just shell out the money to pay for it. Go to www.eff.org
and read the DMCA.

A few months ago a company that was making replacement garage door openers
was sued by Genie because their codes were property. They claimed that it
was a violation of the DCMA that another company copy their copywrited
property and make a universal remote. They lost thank God. This was not the
first or last that some company tried to use the DMCA to enforce a copy
protected device.

The DCMA has superceded the fair use act.


"DRLev" <fake,@ddress.net> wrote in message
news:Febnc.63585$hR1.3189@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> I call them thieves.
>
> That person did not pay for the DTV feed. If you buy Microsoft
> Off ice at Best Buy that does not give you the right to go to
> Circuit City and pull a box off the shelf and walk out without
> paying.
>
>
>
>
> "JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:109qflkb68d3t2f@corp.supernews.com...
> | So what do you call someone that pays for a station on one system like
> | C-Band and watches it on another like DTV? If you pay for it on C band
then
> | it should be free on DTV and Dish and any other system you own. Still a
> | pirate?
>
>

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Yes you can add Greed. That's the main reason, monopolies beget Greed and
Greed begets price increases and price increases begets piracy.
What would be the incentive to pirate a music CD if you could buy it for
$5.00. Sure you couldn't stomp out 100% of piracy but it wouldn't be worth
the time. Its not the big Pirates the get caught its the guy that shares
songs with his friends. Why is it legal to broadcast music on the radio to
millions of people but one person cant copy and give that same song to his
friend, even if he recorded it off the radio?

Do you really think that basic DTV or Dish is worth $32 per month? Was it
really necessary for cable to have increased 100's of percent in the last 10
years? Is that because of cost or Greed? The less completion the higher the
price. If Comcast succeeds in buying up all the cable companies and DTV and
Dish. Do you think your bill will come down? Do you think if one person owns
all the completion that it would be necessary to raise prices ? However,
they will. Example. Tech TV was free and seemed to be doing good. Now its
owned by Comcast and if you will be able to get it at all you will have to
pay for it on cable or DTV or Dish. I doubt it will remain free on mpeg2 for
long.

"steve" <nyob@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:V7cnc.460525$2oI1.18580@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> go away express view worker
> "Valdivar" <rebelleader68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lranc.104215$ZJ5.2339794@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > NO!You're wrong!
> >
> > The reason there are pirates is the the same as the reason why people
> > speed!Regardless of what speed the limit is raised to,or what speed I
> > do,it's NEVER enough for most people!
> >
> > Why? Pride,rebellion and self-will + no fear of death + selfishness!
> >
> > With signal piracy -add GREED!
> >
> > NO matter how LOW the prices were satellite\cable pirates are
cheap,greedy
> > and want something for nothing,AND are masters of self-delusion...ie:
> > rationalizing away "stealing" and "theft!"
> >
> > If you're supposed to pay for it(that's why it's a 'subscription'
> service!)
> > and you're "hacking" the signal -you are STEALING!
> >
> > --
> >
> > "JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:109p5rcpg4fhr8e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Why are there pirates?
> > > .
> > > 1. Its a challenge and a hobby.
> > > 2. The price of TV is starting to get out of hand.
> > > 3. Competition is almost gone and the price will keep going up.
> > >
> > > The record industry is in the same boat. They charge too much for what
> you
> > > get then sue the people that d/l music illegally but are at the same
> time
> > > being sued for NOT paying the people that make the music. Has been
this
> > way
> > > since the record industry started. A few companies hold all the cards.
> An
> > > independent study has proven that music pirating has little or NO
effect
> > on
> > > the industry and in some cases helps it.
> > > TV is getting the same way. A few companies means less competition
> and
> > > higher prices. Cable prices in some states have risen 30% in 2 years
for
> > the
> > > same package. A basic Dish on a stick package is up to $32 and 2/3 of
> the
> > > stations are not worth watching. On the other hand most stations that
> > > pirates get free they wouldn't pay for any way if they had no choice.
> > >
> > > The real problem is what ever they charge we pay, so supply and
demand.
> > > Charge as much as the market will bear. If we didn't buy the price
would
> > > come down, many people wont pay so they pirate. It will never stop.
> > > just my 2cents
> > >
> > > I got my first C band system in the early 70's most I made. Not to
> pirate
> > > but because it was fun, then the scrambled. They givith and they
takeith
> > > away.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > Version: 6.0.679 / Virus Database: 441 - Release Date: 5/7/2004
> >
> >
>
>

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And I wasn't referring to the DVDs You had said

==
| So what do you call someone that pays for a station on one system like
| C-Band and watches it on another like DTV? If you pay for it on C band then
| it should be free on DTV and Dish and any other system you own. Still a
| pirate?
==

Which is the rationalization that a theif may use.

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On Sat, 8 May 2004 20:24:07 -0500, "JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com>
wrote:

>Stealing a box from Wal-Mart is not the same thing as making a backup copy
>of something you already own.

But stealing a satellite service is.

>I am NOT advocating being a pirate I'm just
>trying to enlighten people that day by day more and more things we used to
>take for granted are now illegal. I know many people like my son that has
>two small kids and has bought many DVD's, the kids scratch them and he has
>to buy a new DVD. Although he has made backup copies of the best ones, he IS
>breaking the law. Fair use NO longer protects you for making a back up copy
>of something you bought. It is being challenged but its still illegal. Soon
>HDTV will be illegal to copy, IF the stations elect to raise the broadcast
>flag.
>

Fair use is one thing (allowing you to make copies of content you
already own).

Stealing satellite is accessing programming you have not paid for.

>Yes there is a difference in the DTV feed because you cant subscribe to just
>one station. However if you buy the programming content to watch, why
>shouldn't it be leagle to watch it on any system?

Because you boug it on that system, and DirecTV has the ability to
control it.

> On the subject of MS
>office, If you own several computers why should you have to buy Multiple
>copies? You can only use one at the same time. If you read the small prin.
>You must uninstall it from one computer before you use it on another. The
>same for Windows and with longhorn it will be enforced.
>

You can, if one system is a laptop.

>What I'm saying is that we just sit and let the corporations do what ever
>they want and we just shell out the money to pay for it. Go to www.eff.org
>and read the DMCA.
>

They don't advocate theft of a paid service though.

>A few months ago a company that was making replacement garage door openers
>was sued by Genie because their codes were property. They claimed that it
>was a violation of the DCMA that another company copy their copywrited
>property and make a universal remote. They lost thank God. This was not the
>first or last that some company tried to use the DMCA to enforce a copy
>protected device.
>
>The DCMA has superceded the fair use act.
>
>
>"DRLev" <fake,@ddress.net> wrote in message
>news:Febnc.63585$hR1.3189@fe2.texas.rr.com...
>> I call them thieves.
>>
>> That person did not pay for the DTV feed. If you buy Microsoft
>> Off ice at Best Buy that does not give you the right to go to
>> Circuit City and pull a box off the shelf and walk out without
>> paying.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:109qflkb68d3t2f@corp.supernews.com...
>> | So what do you call someone that pays for a station on one system like
>> | C-Band and watches it on another like DTV? If you pay for it on C band
>then
>> | it should be free on DTV and Dish and any other system you own. Still a
>> | pirate?
>>
>>
>

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In the case of computer software,what "copying" rights you have and how many
computers you can use it on depends on the "software license" that comes
with the software.Most software makers allow you to make a backup for
personal\emergency use -bot ONLY for one computer UNLESS the "software
license agreement" says otherwise.Not for anybody else,either!

As for ANY television\radio transmission,it doesn't matter where it
originates from,or how you are receiving it,IF it is a subscrition service
you are SUPPOSED to pay for it!

I get so sick and tired of the whining and rangling I read from TV pirates
who bitch and moan about the prices and give us a big political diatribe
about satellite companies and their huge profits...ad naseam...to JUSTIFY(in
their own minds if nothing else -what their conscience might tell
them[somehow I doubt it!] is plain wrong!)...stealing and theft!

There is NO excuse:

* not "the challenge of hacking the system"
* not "testing"
* not "getting it without paying for it"

and the host of other "rationalizations" and "self-justifying" terms used to
excuse away "Theft of signals!!!"



--
"JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:109r20i62unlkfe@corp.supernews.com...
> Stealing a box from Wal-Mart is not the same thing as making a backup copy
> of something you already own. I am NOT advocating being a pirate I'm just
> trying to enlighten people that day by day more and more things we used to
> take for granted are now illegal. I know many people like my son that has
> two small kids and has bought many DVD's, the kids scratch them and he has
> to buy a new DVD. Although he has made backup copies of the best ones, he
IS
> breaking the law. Fair use NO longer protects you for making a back up
copy
> of something you bought. It is being challenged but its still illegal.
Soon
> HDTV will be illegal to copy, IF the stations elect to raise the broadcast
> flag.
>
> Yes there is a difference in the DTV feed because you cant subscribe to
just
> one station. However if you buy the programming content to watch, why
> shouldn't it be leagle to watch it on any system? On the subject of MS
> office, If you own several computers why should you have to buy Multiple
> copies? You can only use one at the same time. If you read the small prin.
> You must uninstall it from one computer before you use it on another. The
> same for Windows and with longhorn it will be enforced.
>
> What I'm saying is that we just sit and let the corporations do what ever
> they want and we just shell out the money to pay for it. Go to www.eff.org
> and read the DMCA.
>
> A few months ago a company that was making replacement garage door openers
> was sued by Genie because their codes were property. They claimed that it
> was a violation of the DCMA that another company copy their copywrited
> property and make a universal remote. They lost thank God. This was not
the
> first or last that some company tried to use the DMCA to enforce a copy
> protected device.
>
> The DCMA has superceded the fair use act.
>
>
> "DRLev" <fake,@ddress.net> wrote in message
> news:Febnc.63585$hR1.3189@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> > I call them thieves.
> >
> > That person did not pay for the DTV feed. If you buy Microsoft
> > Off ice at Best Buy that does not give you the right to go to
> > Circuit City and pull a box off the shelf and walk out without
> > paying.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:109qflkb68d3t2f@corp.supernews.com...
> > | So what do you call someone that pays for a station on one system like
> > | C-Band and watches it on another like DTV? If you pay for it on C band
> then
> > | it should be free on DTV and Dish and any other system you own. Still
a
> > | pirate?
> >
> >
>
>


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Did you come here to talk about satellite tv,or to whine about how unfair
the world is?

Dishnet,DTV,Microsoft,telephone companies and others are bring us a
service.In a fair consumer market there is competition and comsumers can
CHOOSE if,when,where and how they buy a product,or service!

Regardless,of what anybody else is doing EACH PERSON is responsible to
behave a lawful manner!If everybody takes the law into his own hands the
result is "chaos."

Get a life!

--

"JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:109r2fb5ooa9c01@corp.supernews.com...
> Yes you can add Greed. That's the main reason, monopolies beget Greed and
> Greed begets price increases and price increases begets piracy.
> What would be the incentive to pirate a music CD if you could buy it for
> $5.00. Sure you couldn't stomp out 100% of piracy but it wouldn't be worth
> the time. Its not the big Pirates the get caught its the guy that shares
> songs with his friends. Why is it legal to broadcast music on the radio to
> millions of people but one person cant copy and give that same song to his
> friend, even if he recorded it off the radio?
>
> Do you really think that basic DTV or Dish is worth $32 per month? Was it
> really necessary for cable to have increased 100's of percent in the last
10
> years? Is that because of cost or Greed? The less completion the higher
the
> price. If Comcast succeeds in buying up all the cable companies and DTV
and
> Dish. Do you think your bill will come down? Do you think if one person
owns
> all the completion that it would be necessary to raise prices ? However,
> they will. Example. Tech TV was free and seemed to be doing good. Now its
> owned by Comcast and if you will be able to get it at all you will have to
> pay for it on cable or DTV or Dish. I doubt it will remain free on mpeg2
for
> long.
>
> "steve" <nyob@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:V7cnc.460525$2oI1.18580@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> > go away express view worker
> > "Valdivar" <rebelleader68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:lranc.104215$ZJ5.2339794@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > > NO!You're wrong!
> > >
> > > The reason there are pirates is the the same as the reason why people
> > > speed!Regardless of what speed the limit is raised to,or what speed I
> > > do,it's NEVER enough for most people!
> > >
> > > Why? Pride,rebellion and self-will + no fear of death + selfishness!
> > >
> > > With signal piracy -add GREED!
> > >
> > > NO matter how LOW the prices were satellite\cable pirates are
> cheap,greedy
> > > and want something for nothing,AND are masters of self-delusion...ie:
> > > rationalizing away "stealing" and "theft!"
> > >
> > > If you're supposed to pay for it(that's why it's a 'subscription'
> > service!)
> > > and you're "hacking" the signal -you are STEALING!
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > "JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > > news:109p5rcpg4fhr8e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Why are there pirates?
> > > > .
> > > > 1. Its a challenge and a hobby.
> > > > 2. The price of TV is starting to get out of hand.
> > > > 3. Competition is almost gone and the price will keep going up.
> > > >
> > > > The record industry is in the same boat. They charge too much for
what
> > you
> > > > get then sue the people that d/l music illegally but are at the same
> > time
> > > > being sued for NOT paying the people that make the music. Has been
> this
> > > way
> > > > since the record industry started. A few companies hold all the
cards.
> > An
> > > > independent study has proven that music pirating has little or NO
> effect
> > > on
> > > > the industry and in some cases helps it.
> > > > TV is getting the same way. A few companies means less
competition
> > and
> > > > higher prices. Cable prices in some states have risen 30% in 2 years
> for
> > > the
> > > > same package. A basic Dish on a stick package is up to $32 and 2/3
of
> > the
> > > > stations are not worth watching. On the other hand most stations
that
> > > > pirates get free they wouldn't pay for any way if they had no
choice.
> > > >
> > > > The real problem is what ever they charge we pay, so supply and
> demand.
> > > > Charge as much as the market will bear. If we didn't buy the price
> would
> > > > come down, many people wont pay so they pirate. It will never stop.
> > > > just my 2cents
> > > >
> > > > I got my first C band system in the early 70's most I made. Not to
> > pirate
> > > > but because it was fun, then the scrambled. They givith and they
> takeith
> > > > away.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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I do not work for ANY satellite TV company.

I am an honest law abiding citizen -who PAYS for his satellite tv!

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"steve" <nyob@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:V7cnc.460525$2oI1.18580@twister01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
> go away express view worker
> "Valdivar" <rebelleader68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:lranc.104215$ZJ5.2339794@news20.bellglobal.com...
> > NO!You're wrong!
> >
> > The reason there are pirates is the the same as the reason why people
> > speed!Regardless of what speed the limit is raised to,or what speed I
> > do,it's NEVER enough for most people!
> >
> > Why? Pride,rebellion and self-will + no fear of death + selfishness!
> >
> > With signal piracy -add GREED!
> >
> > NO matter how LOW the prices were satellite\cable pirates are
cheap,greedy
> > and want something for nothing,AND are masters of self-delusion...ie:
> > rationalizing away "stealing" and "theft!"
> >
> > If you're supposed to pay for it(that's why it's a 'subscription'
> service!)
> > and you're "hacking" the signal -you are STEALING!
> >
> > --
> >
> > "JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> > news:109p5rcpg4fhr8e@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Why are there pirates?
> > > .
> > > 1. Its a challenge and a hobby.
> > > 2. The price of TV is starting to get out of hand.
> > > 3. Competition is almost gone and the price will keep going up.
> > >
> > > The record industry is in the same boat. They charge too much for what
> you
> > > get then sue the people that d/l music illegally but are at the same
> time
> > > being sued for NOT paying the people that make the music. Has been
this
> > way
> > > since the record industry started. A few companies hold all the cards.
> An
> > > independent study has proven that music pirating has little or NO
effect
> > on
> > > the industry and in some cases helps it.
> > > TV is getting the same way. A few companies means less competition
> and
> > > higher prices. Cable prices in some states have risen 30% in 2 years
for
> > the
> > > same package. A basic Dish on a stick package is up to $32 and 2/3 of
> the
> > > stations are not worth watching. On the other hand most stations that
> > > pirates get free they wouldn't pay for any way if they had no choice.
> > >
> > > The real problem is what ever they charge we pay, so supply and
demand.
> > > Charge as much as the market will bear. If we didn't buy the price
would
> > > come down, many people wont pay so they pirate. It will never stop.
> > > just my 2cents
> > >
> > > I got my first C band system in the early 70's most I made. Not to
> pirate
> > > but because it was fun, then the scrambled. They givith and they
takeith
> > > away.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> > Version: 6.0.679 / Virus Database: 441 - Release Date: 5/7/2004
> >
> >
>
>


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I never advocated stealing anything. You put words in my mouth. I only
brought the point that you pay for the content just the same as a CD or DVD.
You claim I'm not paying for the content but the service, that's fine but
don't say I advocate stealing.

"Gary Tait" <classicsat@yahoo.cominvalid> wrote in message
news:llps90tv77jbqhjhe6i8a0vn9ml4d2d3ge@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 8 May 2004 20:24:07 -0500, "JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Stealing a box from Wal-Mart is not the same thing as making a backup
copy
> >of something you already own.
>
> But stealing a satellite service is.
>
> >I am NOT advocating being a pirate I'm just
> >trying to enlighten people that day by day more and more things we used
to
> >take for granted are now illegal. I know many people like my son that has
> >two small kids and has bought many DVD's, the kids scratch them and he
has
> >to buy a new DVD. Although he has made backup copies of the best ones, he
IS
> >breaking the law. Fair use NO longer protects you for making a back up
copy
> >of something you bought. It is being challenged but its still illegal.
Soon
> >HDTV will be illegal to copy, IF the stations elect to raise the
broadcast
> >flag.
> >
>
> Fair use is one thing (allowing you to make copies of content you
> already own).
>
> Stealing satellite is accessing programming you have not paid for.
>
> >Yes there is a difference in the DTV feed because you cant subscribe to
just
> >one station. However if you buy the programming content to watch, why
> >shouldn't it be leagle to watch it on any system?
>
> Because you boug it on that system, and DirecTV has the ability to
> control it.
>
> > On the subject of MS
> >office, If you own several computers why should you have to buy Multiple
> >copies? You can only use one at the same time. If you read the small
prin.
> >You must uninstall it from one computer before you use it on another. The
> >same for Windows and with longhorn it will be enforced.
> >
>
> You can, if one system is a laptop.
>
> >What I'm saying is that we just sit and let the corporations do what ever
> >they want and we just shell out the money to pay for it. Go to
www.eff.org
> >and read the DMCA.
> >
>
> They don't advocate theft of a paid service though.
>
> >A few months ago a company that was making replacement garage door
openers
> >was sued by Genie because their codes were property. They claimed that it
> >was a violation of the DCMA that another company copy their copywrited
> >property and make a universal remote. They lost thank God. This was not
the
> >first or last that some company tried to use the DMCA to enforce a copy
> >protected device.
> >
> >The DCMA has superceded the fair use act.
> >
> >
> >"DRLev" <fake,@ddress.net> wrote in message
> >news:Febnc.63585$hR1.3189@fe2.texas.rr.com...
> >> I call them thieves.
> >>
> >> That person did not pay for the DTV feed. If you buy Microsoft
> >> Off ice at Best Buy that does not give you the right to go to
> >> Circuit City and pull a box off the shelf and walk out without
> >> paying.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "JustMe" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> >> news:109qflkb68d3t2f@corp.supernews.com...
> >> | So what do you call someone that pays for a station on one system
like
> >> | C-Band and watches it on another like DTV? If you pay for it on C
band
> >then
> >> | it should be free on DTV and Dish and any other system you own. Still
a
> >> | pirate?
> >>
> >>
> >
>