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As of March 31:

DirecTv 14,500,000

Dish 11,230,000

------------------------

Total 25,730,000


Comcast, Warner, Cox, Charter and friends have scared away 25 million
customers, what's that: 60 million viewers?

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Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:
> As of March 31:
>
> DirecTv 14,500,000
>
> Dish 11,230,000
>
> ------------------------
>
> Total 25,730,000
>
> Comcast, Warner, Cox, Charter and friends have scared away 25 million
> customers, what's that: 60 million viewers?

To be fair, a number of these cannot get cable. But you are right,
most would have stayed with cable if they were treated like they were valued.
Chip

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In article <20050505183403.420$GW@newsreader.com>,
cjdaytonjrnospam@cox.net wrote:

> Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:
> > As of March 31:
> >
> > DirecTv 14,500,000
> >
> > Dish 11,230,000
> >
> > ------------------------
> >
> > Total 25,730,000
> >
> > Comcast, Warner, Cox, Charter and friends have scared away 25 million
> > customers, what's that: 60 million viewers?
>
> To be fair, a number of these cannot get cable. But you are right,
> most would have stayed with cable if they were treated like they were valued.
> Chip

It's more often the other way around. Folks continue to suffer with
cable, because they cant get DirecTv.

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Or just maybe they want HDTV...where cable beats the hell out of dbs.


"Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:jzwick3-6BBC4E.04481306052005@news1.west.earthlink.net...
> In article <20050505183403.420$GW@newsreader.com>,
> cjdaytonjrnospam@cox.net wrote:
>
>> Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> > As of March 31:
>> >
>> > DirecTv 14,500,000
>> >
>> > Dish 11,230,000
>> >
>> > ------------------------
>> >
>> > Total 25,730,000
>> >
>> > Comcast, Warner, Cox, Charter and friends have scared away 25 million
>> > customers, what's that: 60 million viewers?
>>
>> To be fair, a number of these cannot get cable. But you are right,
>> most would have stayed with cable if they were treated like they were
>> valued.
>> Chip
>
> It's more often the other way around. Folks continue to suffer with
> cable, because they cant get DirecTv.

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Not to mention On-Demand. Much nicer to be able to watch a movie or
program on your schedule rather than be forced to watch it on their
schedule. A fair amount of programming on On-Demand is Hi-Def, also.


CIAO!

Ed N.


curmudgeon wrote:
> Or just maybe they want HDTV...where cable beats the hell out of dbs.
>
>

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Not true, many cable co. have no HDTV
"curmudgeon" <curmudgeon@buzzoff.net> wrote in message
news:zvJee.1323$yq3.163@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
> Or just maybe they want HDTV...where cable beats the hell out of dbs.
>
>
> "Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:jzwick3-6BBC4E.04481306052005@news1.west.earthlink.net...
>> In article <20050505183403.420$GW@newsreader.com>,
>> cjdaytonjrnospam@cox.net wrote:
>>
>>> Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>> > As of March 31:
>>> >
>>> > DirecTv 14,500,000
>>> >
>>> > Dish 11,230,000
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Total 25,730,000
>>> >
>>> > Comcast, Warner, Cox, Charter and friends have scared away 25 million
>>> > customers, what's that: 60 million viewers?
>>>
>>> To be fair, a number of these cannot get cable. But you are right,
>>> most would have stayed with cable if they were treated like they were
>>> valued.
>>> Chip
>>
>> It's more often the other way around. Folks continue to suffer with
>> cable, because they cant get DirecTv.
>
>

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In article <mqqdnTIugOYh8ObfRVn-vA@comcast.com>, Ed Nielsen
<egnlsn@comcast.net> wrote:

> Not to mention On-Demand. Much nicer to be able to watch a movie or
> program on your schedule rather than be forced to watch it on their
> schedule. A fair amount of programming on On-Demand is Hi-Def, also.


No one has *had* to watch anything on anyone else's schedule for about
25 years now.

You x-posted to a TiVo group, where time-shifting is beyond routine.
There might be some potential benefit in being able to record something
you missed by using On Demand, but the tradeoff -- having to deal with
cable -- is not worth it to me.

The hi-def issue will narrow as more sats go online.

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In article <zvJee.1323$yq3.163@bignews1.bellsouth.net>,
"curmudgeon" <curmudgeon@buzzoff.net> wrote:

> Or just maybe they want HDTV...where cable beats the hell out of dbs.

Hardly, but often it has a lower front end cost.


>
>
> "Jack Zwick" <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:jzwick3-6BBC4E.04481306052005@news1.west.earthlink.net...
> > In article <20050505183403.420$GW@newsreader.com>,
> > cjdaytonjrnospam@cox.net wrote:
> >
> >> Jack Zwick <jzwick3@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >> > As of March 31:
> >> >
> >> > DirecTv 14,500,000
> >> >
> >> > Dish 11,230,000
> >> >
> >> > ------------------------
> >> >
> >> > Total 25,730,000
> >> >
> >> > Comcast, Warner, Cox, Charter and friends have scared away 25 million
> >> > customers, what's that: 60 million viewers?
> >>
> >> To be fair, a number of these cannot get cable. But you are right,
> >> most would have stayed with cable if they were treated like they were
> >> valued.
> >> Chip
> >
> > It's more often the other way around. Folks continue to suffer with
> > cable, because they cant get DirecTv.

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In article <060520051023195204%affable@no.com.invalid>,
"Dr. Personality" <affable@no.com.invalid> wrote:

> In article <mqqdnTIugOYh8ObfRVn-vA@comcast.com>, Ed Nielsen
> <egnlsn@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Not to mention On-Demand. Much nicer to be able to watch a movie or
> > program on your schedule rather than be forced to watch it on their
> > schedule. A fair amount of programming on On-Demand is Hi-Def, also.
>
>
> No one has *had* to watch anything on anyone else's schedule for about
> 25 years now.
>
> You x-posted to a TiVo group, where time-shifting is beyond routine.
> There might be some potential benefit in being able to record something
> you missed by using On Demand, but the tradeoff -- having to deal with
> cable -- is not worth it to me.
>
> The hi-def issue will narrow as more sats go online.

DirecTv has already successfully launched the first of 3 birds targeted
for HDTV this year.

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Ed Nielsen (egnlsn@comcast.net) wrote in rec.video.satellite.dbs:
> Not to mention On-Demand. Much nicer to be able to watch a movie or
> program on your schedule rather than be forced to watch it on their
> schedule.

I do this with all my DirecTV programming by using a DirecTiVo...

> A fair amount of programming on On-Demand is Hi-Def, also.

....and it's an HD DirecTiVo, so I get this, too.

I've never understood why cable companies waste so much bandwidth with
VOD when distributing DVRs to all their customers would do the same thing
for them. People wouldn't even have to program their DVRs...they could
be set up to record *all* of what is in the "On-Demand" list and have it
right there. It would be differerent if VOD wasn't free with your cable
subscription.

I guess the only answer is that cable DVRs don't work as well as cable VOD.

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On Fri, 6 May 2005 11:08:42 -0400, Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote:

>Ed Nielsen (egnlsn@comcast.net) wrote in rec.video.satellite.dbs:
>> Not to mention On-Demand. Much nicer to be able to watch a movie or
>> program on your schedule rather than be forced to watch it on their
>> schedule.
>
>I do this with all my DirecTV programming by using a DirecTiVo...
>
>> A fair amount of programming on On-Demand is Hi-Def, also.
>
>...and it's an HD DirecTiVo, so I get this, too.
>
>I've never understood why cable companies waste so much bandwidth with
>VOD when distributing DVRs to all their customers would do the same thing
>for them. People wouldn't even have to program their DVRs...they could
>be set up to record *all* of what is in the "On-Demand" list and have it
>right there. It would be differerent if VOD wasn't free with your cable
>subscription.
>
>I guess the only answer is that cable DVRs don't work as well as cable VOD.

Wrong.

I have the Comcast 2 tuner DVR and it's great. The VOD is a bonus. And
the VOD is not all free. There are pay movies/events in VOD too.

To say that distributing DVR's is the same as VOD is to show a severe
ignorance about VOD. Have you ever actually seen it? It's more than
just a schedule of TV shows. For example, there are short 9-15 minute
instructional videos for things like boating and golf. Please let us
all know where we can record that 11 minute show on "Heavy Weather
Sailing" on our DVR's.

Geeze Jeffie. Pull you head out of you ass before you post.

Sean

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* Sean Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:

> Please let us
> all know where we can record that 11 minute show on "Heavy Weather
> Sailing" on our DVR's.


I bet that one gets viewed 2x a week. If you have to watch a 11 minute
instructional video on how to sail in Heavy Weather I am sure the Coast
Guard would rather you kept your fat ass on the couch.

And I am sure that Golf instructional has you becoming a regualr Jack
Nicholas in 9 minutes. Just becasue it has something that Tivo/Sat
doesnt, dosent make it better or even useful which is why they turned
to Tivo, so they would program what the consumer wants instead of
usless garbage. My friend was bragging all about VOD....until he got a
DVR.

--
David

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On Fri, 06 May 2005 16:54:29 GMT, SINNER
<arcade.master@googlemail.net> wrote:

>* Sean Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>
>> Please let us
>> all know where we can record that 11 minute show on "Heavy Weather
>> Sailing" on our DVR's.
>
>
>I bet that one gets viewed 2x a week. If you have to watch a 11 minute
>instructional video on how to sail in Heavy Weather I am sure the Coast
>Guard would rather you kept your fat ass on the couch.
>

Man. The ignorance on this Tivo NG is too much. As much as I'd like to
ignore this group, swatting around dolts like Davey is too much fun.

As a matter of fact Davey, the video on heavy weather sailing was very
good. There was a nice discussion on the changing stresses on the Rig
at various points in reefing sails and the potential repurcussions.

Since you're such an expert, why don't you give us the readers digest
version of that subject? Or are you better suited to just posting to
usenet while sitting your fat ass on your couch?


>And I am sure that Golf instructional has you becoming a regualr Jack
>Nicholas in 9 minutes.

Another subject you know nothing about. I guess those hours + hours +
hours + hours + hours of instructional programming on the golf channel
are just a waste. I'm sure when you get put in charge of programming,
they'll replace them with something usefull.


>Just becasue it has something that Tivo/Sat
>doesnt,

Well, welcome to the subject being discussed. VOD is in fact something
cable has and sattelite doesn't. You finally said something that isn't
moronic.

>dosent make it better or even useful which is why they turned
>to Tivo, so they would program what the consumer wants instead of
>usless garbage. My friend was bragging all about VOD....until he got a
>DVR.


Bully for your friend. I use my VOD a lot. It's a nice thing to have
IN ADDITION to a dvr. You Tivo/sat rumpswabs have no idea what you're
missing.

Sean

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In article <Xns964E7922E5136Louiscypherhellorg@140.99.99.130>,
SINNER <arcade.master@googlemail.net> wrote:

> * Sean Wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>
> > Please let us
> > all know where we can record that 11 minute show on "Heavy Weather
> > Sailing" on our DVR's.
>
>
> I bet that one gets viewed 2x a week. If you have to watch a 11 minute
> instructional video on how to sail in Heavy Weather I am sure the Coast
> Guard would rather you kept your fat ass on the couch.
>
> And I am sure that Golf instructional has you becoming a regualr Jack
> Nicholas in 9 minutes. Just becasue it has something that Tivo/Sat
> doesnt, dosent make it better or even useful which is why they turned
> to Tivo, so they would program what the consumer wants instead of
> usless garbage. My friend was bragging all about VOD....until he got a
> DVR.
>
> --
> David

50 million viewers of Satellite cant be wrong.

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(Sean <none> ) wrote in rec.video.satellite.dbs:
> To say that distributing DVR's is the same as VOD is to show a severe
> ignorance about VOD. Have you ever actually seen it? It's more than
> just a schedule of TV shows. For example, there are short 9-15 minute
> instructional videos for things like boating and golf. Please let us
> all know where we can record that 11 minute show on "Heavy Weather
> Sailing" on our DVR's.

If the cable company just set up 10 channels that sent the VOD stuff around
the clock, DVRs would record it just fine.

There's nothing magical about VOD from the cable company. When you request
it, your box gets assigned a dynamically assigned channel number to tune to.
Anybody that can tune to that channel will see the VOD stream. Other STBs
think the channel doesn't exist because they haven't been told about it,
but PC HDTV cards can see it just fine.

By distributing DVRs (