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I am trying to fulfill a poopli.com request for a show on my 5080. It is a
movie that I received from another poopli user. By default it was saved
under 'Received' category. When I highlight it and push select button on
remote, there is no 'Send' option as there is on shows under the other
categories. Why is that?

How can I send those shows to other users if there is no 'Send' command?

TB

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On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:39:02 -0600, "T.B."
<balfour@NOSPAMgrandecom.net> wrote:

>I am trying to fulfill a poopli.com request for a show on my 5080. It is a
>movie that I received from another poopli user. By default it was saved
>under 'Received' category. When I highlight it and push select button on
>remote, there is no 'Send' option as there is on shows under the other
>categories. Why is that?
>
>How can I send those shows to other users if there is no 'Send' command?
>
>TB
>

That's one of those **** limitations of the Replay. It won't let you
send shows you received.

A form of copyright "protection". More (business-controlled)
government interferance.

You could re-record it if you can figure out how. Maybe by
transferring it to another Replay, or saving to VCR or DVD and
manually recording it from that.

--
55 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

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what about renaming it and trying to save it somewhere else?


"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
news:absdo0d4esau9qbk30m39uhvm4vkbeppuk@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:39:02 -0600, "T.B."
> <balfour@NOSPAMgrandecom.net> wrote:
>
> >I am trying to fulfill a poopli.com request for a show on my 5080. It is
a
> >movie that I received from another poopli user. By default it was saved
> >under 'Received' category. When I highlight it and push select button on
> >remote, there is no 'Send' option as there is on shows under the other
> >categories. Why is that?
> >
> >How can I send those shows to other users if there is no 'Send' command?
> >
> >TB
> >
>
> That's one of those **** limitations of the Replay. It won't let you
> send shows you received.
>
> A form of copyright "protection". More (business-controlled)
> government interferance.
>
> You could re-record it if you can figure out how. Maybe by
> transferring it to another Replay, or saving to VCR or DVD and
> manually recording it from that.
>
> --
> 55 days until the winter solstice celebration
>
> Mark Lloyd
> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

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Mark Lloyd wrote:

> That's one of those **** limitations of the Replay. It won't let you
> send shows you received.
>
> A form of copyright "protection". More (business-controlled)
> government interferance.

That sounds like SCMS (Serial Copy Management System) used on a lot of
audio gear (Including CD recorders, not the one in your computer but
stand alone units, and Mini-Disc) the rule is that if a "Master" is
recorded "Analog" (All Replay recordings are originally analog input
recordings, even though the file is a digital record) you may copy it

One generation... But if the "Source" is "Digital" (Example, a copy of a
show from another Replay you may not.

I can not help you with video products,,,, but in the world of audio I
routinely ignore SCMS (I do a LOT of audio work, all legitimate I might
add, no jolly roger stuff)

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On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 22:20:39 -0600, "T.B."
<balfour@NOSPAMgrandecom.net> wrote:

>what about renaming it and trying to save it somewhere else?
>

You can always try it. That would be faster and easier than asking.

Anyway, I think I tried that once. You don't get the option.

>
>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> wrote in message
>news:absdo0d4esau9qbk30m39uhvm4vkbeppuk@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:39:02 -0600, "T.B."
>> <balfour@NOSPAMgrandecom.net> wrote:
>>
>> >I am trying to fulfill a poopli.com request for a show on my 5080. It is
>a
>> >movie that I received from another poopli user. By default it was saved
>> >under 'Received' category. When I highlight it and push select button on
>> >remote, there is no 'Send' option as there is on shows under the other
>> >categories. Why is that?
>> >
>> >How can I send those shows to other users if there is no 'Send' command?
>> >
>> >TB
>> >
>>
>> That's one of those **** limitations of the Replay. It won't let you
>> send shows you received.
>>
>> A form of copyright "protection". More (business-controlled)
>> government interferance.
>>
>> You could re-record it if you can figure out how. Maybe by
>> transferring it to another Replay, or saving to VCR or DVD and
>> manually recording it from that.
>>
>> --
>> 55 days until the winter solstice celebration
>>
>> Mark Lloyd
>> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>

--
55 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

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T.B. wrote:
> what about renaming it and trying to save it somewhere else?
>
>
You can rename it, but you can't send it.

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John in Detroit wrote:

> Mark Lloyd wrote:
>
>> That's one of those **** limitations of the Replay. It won't let you
>> send shows you received.
>>
>> A form of copyright "protection". More (business-controlled)
>> government interferance.
>
>
> That sounds like SCMS (Serial Copy Management System) used on a lot of
> audio gear (Including CD recorders, not the one in your computer but
> stand alone units, and Mini-Disc) the rule is that if a "Master" is
> recorded "Analog" (All Replay recordings are originally analog input
> recordings, even though the file is a digital record) you may copy it

It has nothing to do with the files. On a Replay the software prevents
sending a sent show and it prevents you from sending to more than 15
people. This stops the Replay from being part of a pirate distribution
network. There IS a provision in the software to prevent recording a
show if the vendor turns on a PPV flag AND Replay decides to turn it on.

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is there any known way around this 'feature' of RTV?

TB

"Tony D" <Tony_D@nospam.com> wrote in message news:4187c3df$1_2@127.0.0.1...
> John in Detroit wrote:
>
> > Mark Lloyd wrote:
> >
> >> That's one of those **** limitations of the Replay. It won't let you
> >> send shows you received.
> >>
> >> A form of copyright "protection". More (business-controlled)
> >> government interferance.
> >
> >
> > That sounds like SCMS (Serial Copy Management System) used on a lot of
> > audio gear (Including CD recorders, not the one in your computer but
> > stand alone units, and Mini-Disc) the rule is that if a "Master" is
> > recorded "Analog" (All Replay recordings are originally analog input
> > recordings, even though the file is a digital record) you may copy it
>
> It has nothing to do with the files. On a Replay the software prevents
> sending a sent show and it prevents you from sending to more than 15
> people. This stops the Replay from being part of a pirate distribution
> network. There IS a provision in the software to prevent recording a
> show if the vendor turns on a PPV flag AND Replay decides to turn it on.
>

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On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:38:36 -0500, Tony D <Tony_D@nospam.com> wrote:

>John in Detroit wrote:
>
>> Mark Lloyd wrote:
>>
>>> That's one of those **** limitations of the Replay. It won't let you
>>> send shows you received.
>>>
>>> A form of copyright "protection". More (business-controlled)
>>> government interferance.
>>
>>
>> That sounds like SCMS (Serial Copy Management System) used on a lot of
>> audio gear (Including CD recorders, not the one in your computer but
>> stand alone units, and Mini-Disc) the rule is that if a "Master" is
>> recorded "Analog" (All Replay recordings are originally analog input
>> recordings, even though the file is a digital record) you may copy it
>
>It has nothing to do with the files. On a Replay the software prevents
>sending a sent show and it prevents you from sending to more than 15
>people.

Another undocumented unfeature.

>This stops the Replay from being part of a pirate distribution
>network.

And interferes with legitimate users. That's how I found out about
that 15 time limit (when sending a test clip).

>There IS a provision in the software to prevent recording a
>show if the vendor turns on a PPV flag AND Replay decides to turn it on.

I heard that TiVo has started using that unfeature (and even worse,
deleting the files after a few days). Another reason to prefer the
Replay,

--
55 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

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T.B. wrote:

> is there any known way around this 'feature' of RTV?
>
Yeah, move the files to PC and ftp them to the universe OR burn them to DVD.

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Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> shaped the electrons to say:
>>It has nothing to do with the files. On a Replay the software prevents
>>sending a sent show and it prevents you from sending to more than 15
>>people.
>Another undocumented unfeature.

I know it is documented, I've known RTV has had this for years. I
read it in one of the docs I downloaded.

>>There IS a provision in the software to prevent recording a
>>show if the vendor turns on a PPV flag AND Replay decides to turn it on.
>I heard that TiVo has started using that unfeature (and even worse,
>deleting the files after a few days). Another reason to prefer the
>Replay,

I think you missed the fact that DNNA/RTV will be incorporating the
same MacroVision enhancements that TiVo is, resulting in the same
restrictions on content. In fact, DNNA caved in first.

---

CONSUMER ELECTRONICS DAILY THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 2, 2004

Macrovision Brokers Deal on PVR Storage Limits With TiVo, ReplayTV

Macrovision has reached agreements with ReplayTV and TiVo that would
place limits on how much content may be recorded and stored on
high-capacity PVRs, Carol Flaherty, senior vp in Macrovision's
Technology Group told a day-long piracy workshop in L.A. sponsored by
IRMA. In negotiations with the major studios brokered by Macrovision,
ReplayTV and TiVo have agreed to impose changes in the "trigger bits"
built into Macrovision analog copy protection in a PVR to activate one
of 4 newcopy-control "settings" to be determined by the content owner,
Flaherty said. She billed the agreements as a winwin for the content
industry and consumers; the studios were concerned that with
hard-drive capacities of 400 hours or more, consumers would amass vast
libraries of content that could be redistributed without
authorization, and they originally sought strict restrictions that
would have allowed little or no copying, she said. For consumers, she
said, the agreements also represent a victory because they would
assure a steadier availability of content and services for years to
come. She said the agreement with ReplayTV parent D&M Holdings was
reached last year, while the TiVo pact was finalized only last
week. The copy-control settings negotiated range from a provision that
would permit consumers to "copy freely," to stipulations they be
confined to 90 min. worth of storage before the PVR automatically
would be triggered to write over the material, Flaherty said. A 3rd
setting would let a consumer view content within a 24-hour period
during storage limited to 7 days, while a 4th would allow unlimited
viewing during the 7 days. The PVR makers and the brands they OEM for
will install the settings through a software change on new machines,
Flaherty said. There's a provision in the future for making the
changes in legacy machines through software downloads from the
Internet, she said. Flaherty told Consumer Electronics Daily that
future chip implementations in development would allow many more
settings. She again billed this as being in the best interests of
Hollywood and advocates offair use. She said the agreements apply only
to NTSC, not PAL PVRs. The Macrovision changes were disclosed at the
IRMA session in L.A., where content providers and digital rights
management (DRM) experts announced increased efforts to reign in
"casual consumer piracy," including through PVR storage. On a "Copy
Stoppers" panel, Flaherty said: "We cannot have units with 40 hours
capacity anymore. People cannot be allowed to create electronic
libraries because if they can get it for free they won't pay for
it. The landscape on casual consumer piracy has changed over the last
2 years. In order to stop it we've got to close the holes available to
consumers in their home equipment, develop multiple layers of
protection and give consumers a reason to buy instead of steal."
Later, Rich LaMagna, dir.-digital investigations for Microsoft, said:
"Theft and leakage out of the supply chain is our greatest threat."
Current efforts to reduce DVD piracy focus on areas such as
replication plants, where stampers have gone missing, and recyclers,
which sometimes resell "scrap" products -- overruns and other surplus
product -- which are then sold on the black market. Of great concern
to the software industry is the theft of certificates of authenticity,
LaMagna said: "Those are just like currency. I have spoken before
Congress twice to try and get legislation passed that will make it
illegal to sell any part of a software package as a stand-alone
product and I think we're going to get it passed." -- Paul Gluckman,
Valerie Milano

---

-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762
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On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 01:55:27 +0000 (UTC), newsREMOVE@THISmegazone.org
(MegaZone) wrote:

>Mark Lloyd <mlloyd@5xxxmail.com5xxx> shaped the electrons to say:

Please try to get the attributions right. I did not say the following.

>>>It has nothing to do with the files. On a Replay the software prevents
>>>sending a sent show and it prevents you from sending to more than 15
>>>people.
>>Another undocumented unfeature.
>
>I know it is documented, I've known RTV has had this for years. I
>read it in one of the docs I downloaded.
>
>>>There IS a provision in the software to prevent recording a
>>>show if the vendor turns on a PPV flag AND Replay decides to turn it on.
>>I heard that TiVo has started using that unfeature (and even worse,
>>deleting the files after a few days). Another reason to prefer the
>>Replay,
>
>I think you missed the fact that DNNA/RTV will be incorporating the
>same MacroVision enhancements that TiVo is, resulting in the same
>restrictions on content. In fact, DNNA caved in first.
>
>---
>
>CONSUMER ELECTRONICS DAILY THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 2, 2004
>
>Macrovision Brokers Deal on PVR Storage Limits With TiVo, ReplayTV
>
>Macrovision has reached agreements with ReplayTV and TiVo that would
>place limits on how much content may be recorded and stored on
>high-capacity PVRs, Carol Flaherty, senior vp in Macrovision's
>Technology Group told a day-long piracy workshop in L.A. sponsored by
>IRMA. In negotiations with the major studios brokered by Macrovision,
>ReplayTV and TiVo have agreed to impose changes in the "trigger bits"
>built into Macrovision analog copy protection in a PVR to activate one
>of 4 newcopy-control "settings" to be determined by the content owner,
>Flaherty said. She billed the agreements as a winwin for the content
>industry and consumers; the studios were concerned that with
>hard-drive capacities of 400 hours or more, consumers would amass vast
>libraries of content that could be redistributed without
>authorization, and they originally sought strict restrictions that
>would have allowed little or no copying, she said. For consumers, she
>said, the agreements also represent a victory because they would
>assure a steadier availability of content and services for years to
>come. She said the agreement with ReplayTV parent D&M Holdings was
>reached last year, while the TiVo pact was finalized only last
>week. The copy-control settings negotiated range from a provision that
>would permit consumers to "copy freely," to stipulations they be
>confined to 90 min. worth of storage before the PVR automatically
>would be triggered to write over the material, Flaherty said. A 3rd
>setting would let a consumer view content within a 24-hour period
>during storage limited to 7 days, while a 4th would allow unlimited
>viewing during the 7 days. The PVR makers and the brands they OEM for
>will install the settings through a software change on new machines,
>Flaherty said. There's a provision in the future for making the
>changes in legacy machines through software downloads from the
>Internet, she said. Flaherty told Consumer Electronics Daily that
>future chip implementations in development would allow many more
>settings. She again billed this as being in the best interests of
>Hollywood and advocates offair use. She said the agreements apply only
>to NTSC, not PAL PVRs. The Macrovision changes were disclosed at the
>IRMA session in L.A., where content providers and digital rights
>management (DRM) experts announced increased efforts to reign in
>"casual consumer piracy," including through PVR storage. On a "Copy
>Stoppers" panel, Flaherty said: "We cannot have units with 40 hours
>capacity anymore. People cannot be allowed to create electronic
>libraries because if they can get it for free they won't pay for
>it. The landscape on casual consumer piracy has changed over the last
>2 years. In order to stop it we've got to close the holes available to
>consumers in their home equipment, develop multiple layers of
>protection and give consumers a reason to buy instead of steal."
>Later, Rich LaMagna, dir.-digital investigations for Microsoft, said:
>"Theft and leakage out of the supply chain is our greatest threat."
>Current efforts to reduce DVD piracy focus on areas such as
>replication plants, where stampers have gone missing, and recyclers,
>which sometimes resell "scrap" products -- overruns and other surplus
>product -- which are then sold on the black market. Of great concern
>to the software industry is the theft of certificates of authenticity,
>LaMagna said: "Those are just like currency. I have spoken before
>Congress twice to try and get legislation passed that will make it
>illegal to sell any part of a software package as a stand-alone
>product and I think we're going to get it passed." -- Paul Gluckman,
>Valerie Milano
>
>---
>
>-MZ, RHCE #806199299900541, ex-CISSP #3762

--
55 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

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Tony D wrote:

> T.B. wrote:
>
>> is there any known way around this 'feature' of RTV?
>>
> Yeah, move the files to PC and ftp them to the universe OR burn them to
> DVD.
>

Can you suggest a place to which we can FTP them... I'm still having
issues with my LINUX machine and I think I put the Replay in the DMZ on
the router (it only lets one computer dmz)

You know....... I could put up the FTP server on the linux box though,
I'll bet I could reach that via both lan and internet If I stuck it in DMZ