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Rich

Which lens would you buy if you had a Canon, rather than your Olympus point
and shoot -which thinks its a DSLR: a Canon 10-22 or Sigma 10-20?

Trapper

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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:09:31 +0100, "Trapper" <backswood@whereis.ca>
wrote:

>Rich
>
>Which lens would you buy if you had a Canon, rather than your Olympus point
>and shoot -which thinks its a DSLR: a Canon 10-22 or Sigma 10-20?

Why would anyone want an EF-S mount lens now that the 5D is out or for
that matter before? Remember Canon make both FF and 1.3 size sensor
bodies.
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"John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:09:31 +0100, "Trapper" <backswood@whereis.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Rich
>>
>>Which lens would you buy if you had a Canon, rather than your Olympus
>>point
>>and shoot -which thinks its a DSLR: a Canon 10-22 or Sigma 10-20?
>
> Why would anyone want an EF-S mount lens now that the 5D is out or for
> that matter before?

Anybody who doesn't want to spend over $3000 for a camera?
1.3x is dead in the water.

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 05:47:06 -0700, "Skip M" <shadowcatcher@cox.net>
wrote:

>"John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:09:31 +0100, "Trapper" <backswood@whereis.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Rich
>>>
>>>Which lens would you buy if you had a Canon, rather than your Olympus
>>>point
>>>and shoot -which thinks its a DSLR: a Canon 10-22 or Sigma 10-20?
>>
>> Why would anyone want an EF-S mount lens now that the 5D is out or for
>> that matter before?
>
>Anybody who doesn't want to spend over $3000 for a camera?
>1.3x is dead in the water.

People who need the 8fps is who will buy 1.3 still. I you haven't
noticed Canon has just put out the 1DMkIIN for people who want the
fast frame rate and 1 series features. So 1.3 is not dead in the
water yet.

And I've spend over that on a 5D for the Full Frame because I want
Super wides to really be super wides.

Skippy, don't project your limitations on others.


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"I have been a witness, and these pictures are
my testimony. The events I have recorded should
not be forgotten and must not be repeated."

-James Nachtwey-
http://www.jamesnachtwey.com/

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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:09:31 +0100, "Trapper" <backswood@whereis.ca>
wrote:

>Rich
>
>Which lens would you buy if you had a Canon, rather than your Olympus point
>and shoot -which thinks its a DSLR: a Canon 10-22 or Sigma 10-20?
>
>Trapper
>

I don't know. Which one is better?
-Rich

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"John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 05:47:06 -0700, "Skip M" <shadowcatcher@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>>"John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:r7haj1t4hp2lpa7g2hhcs3asooaan00qpg@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:09:31 +0100, "Trapper" <backswood@whereis.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Rich
>>>>
>>>>Which lens would you buy if you had a Canon, rather than your Olympus
>>>>point
>>>>and shoot -which thinks its a DSLR: a Canon 10-22 or Sigma 10-20?
>>>
>>> Why would anyone want an EF-S mount lens now that the 5D is out or for
>>> that matter before?
>>
>>Anybody who doesn't want to spend over $3000 for a camera?
>>1.3x is dead in the water.
>
> People who need the 8fps is who will buy 1.3 still. I you haven't
> noticed Canon has just put out the 1DMkIIN for people who want the
> fast frame rate and 1 series features. So 1.3 is not dead in the
> water yet.
>
> And I've spend over that on a 5D for the Full Frame because I want
> Super wides to really be super wides.
>
> Skippy, don't project your limitations on others.
>
>

According to a couple of interviews I've read with Canon execs, they fully
expect the 1 series to merge into a single product line in the very near
future, which would indicate a full frame, high speed camera, or one that is
convertible, like the Nikon. That the 1D mkIIn is so little changed is, to
me, an indicator of just that. They didn't exactly overextend themselves
with R&D funds to produce it, did they?
Those aren't my limitations, I've got 2 5Ds ordered, even as we speak. For
the same reason you say you've spent "over that."
And the only two people why call me Skippy are women in my life, are you
saying you want to join them?

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

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John A. Stovall wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:09:31 +0100, "Trapper" <backswood@whereis.ca>
> wrote:
>
>>Rich
>>
>>Which lens would you buy if you had a Canon, rather than your Olympus
>>point
>>and shoot -which thinks its a DSLR: a Canon 10-22 or Sigma 10-20?
>
> Why would anyone want an EF-S mount lens now that the 5D is out or for
> that matter before?

Because not everyone can afford a $3500+ camera body?

--

Stacey

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John A. Stovall wrote:


>
> Skippy, don't project your limitations on others.
>
>


Yet it's fine for you to project your lack of limitations on others? So when
did the 10mm end of the APS lens on a 1.6 crop stop being a super wide?
--

Stacey

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I'd buy a D2x, a 10.5mm and a 20mm Nikkor

"Trapper" <backswood@whereis.ca> wrote in message
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> Rich
>
> Which lens would you buy if you had a Canon, rather than your Olympus
> point and shoot -which thinks its a DSLR: a Canon 10-22 or Sigma 10-20?
>
> Trapper
>

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"Stacey" <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> John A. Stovall wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Skippy, don't project your limitations on others.
>>
>>
>
>
> Yet it's fine for you to project your lack of limitations on others? So
> when
> did the 10mm end of the APS lens on a 1.6 crop stop being a super wide?
> --
>
> Stacey

16mm has been considered superwide on 35mm film and full frame digital
cameras. And, until the advent, recently, of lenses designed for cropped
frame digital cameras, was close to as wide as you could get, at least in a
zoom. And 14mm was as wide as you could get in a fixed focal length lens
without going into fisheye territory, at least for Nikon and Canon SLRs.

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

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"Stacey" <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> John A. Stovall wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:09:31 +0100, "Trapper" <backswood@whereis.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Rich
>>>
>>>Which lens would you buy if you had a Canon, rather than your Olympus
>>>point
>>>and shoot -which thinks its a DSLR: a Canon 10-22 or Sigma 10-20?
>>
>> Why would anyone want an EF-S mount lens now that the 5D is out or for
>> that matter before?
>
> Because not everyone can afford a $3500+ camera body?
>
> --
>
> Stacey

Watch it or John will get snippy with you, too. Cripes, it irritates me for
guys to think that, just because they can afford to buy expensive stuff,
anyone who doesn't follow their lead is stupid.
But it really irritated me, in this case, because John assumed, since I
disagreed with him, that I had some sort of limitation that was preventing
me from buying the camera that he was. Not that I was simply stating a
reason that someone might buy an EF-S lens and not be influenced by the
impending existence of the 5D.

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:16:38 GMT, John A. Stovall
<johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote:

>On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 05:47:06 -0700, "Skip M" <shadowcatcher@cox.net>
>wrote:

>>"John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>news:r7haj1t4hp2lpa7g2hhcs3asooaan00qpg@4ax.com...

>>> Why would anyone want an EF-S mount lens now that the 5D is out or for
>>> that matter before?

>>Anybody who doesn't want to spend over $3000 for a camera?

>And I've spend over that on a 5D for the Full Frame because I want
>Super wides to really be super wides.

Whoopie for you. Amazingly, some of us don't have your budget.

>Skippy, don't project your limitations on others.

John, don't be so damn patronising.

Al
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On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 05:47:06 -0700, "Skip M" <shadowcatcher@cox.net>
wrote:

>"John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 24 Sep 2005 12:09:31 +0100, "Trapper" <backswood@whereis.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Rich
>>>
>>>Which lens would you buy if you had a Canon, rather than your Olympus
>>>point
>>>and shoot -which thinks its a DSLR: a Canon 10-22 or Sigma 10-20?
>>
>> Why would anyone want an EF-S mount lens now that the 5D is out or for
>> that matter before?
>
>Anybody who doesn't want to spend over $3000 for a camera?
>1.3x is dead in the water.

I doubt that.
Drifter
"I've been here, I've been there..."

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Skip M wrote:


Sure but NOW they do make a superwide zoom for the cropped sensor dSLR's
and from the samples I've seen, perform quite well. For someone who is
pretty sure they aren't going to drop $3000+ on a camera body, these APS
wide zooms make a lot of sense
--

Stacey

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"Stacey" <fotocord@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Skip M wrote:
>
>
> Sure but NOW they do make a superwide zoom for the cropped sensor dSLR's
> and from the samples I've seen, perform quite well. For someone who is
> pretty sure they aren't going to drop $3000+ on a camera body, these APS
> wide zooms make a lot of sense
> --
>
> Stacey

Sure they do. But if you already have, say, a 16-35 f2.8L, it doesn't reach
it's full potential on a 1.6x crop. And all of the new crop of digital
specific WA zooms are slower than f2.8.

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com