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so here's the deal...too good to be true. this is the response i got from
the seller...WHAT? IS THIS THE INFAMOUS GREY MARKET PRODUCT OR A SCAM?


The Canon EOS 20D Digital SLR is brand new in the new in the original box
with the all accesories included and have paper for 1 year international
warranty from Canon INC.The price for the camera is $600 included all taxes
for the shipping
for delivery i use Amazon Payment Service and all the taxes for the shipping
are included in the price.
For payment i accept Amazon Payment Service.
If you decide to buy from me here is how we will make the deal:
I will go and deposit the package with your unit at the Amazon.com and i
will give you the paper scan from them .This will prove you that i am who i
am and that i am sending you the unit.i will give your email address to
Amazon.com and they will contact and inform you that you have a package that
wait's to be shipped . They will also will inform you what is in that
package, the condition of the unit ,if it is working properly.

Please give me your full name and address.

Items Included With This Package Are: 1 CANON EOS 20d
With Manufacturer's Accessories & Warranty
1 Canon 28-90mm f/4.0-5.6 Lens
1 Canon 75-300mm f4.0-5.6 III Lens
1 Bower 2X Tele Converter Lens
2 Lens Pouches
2 Lens Hoods
1 Wrist Strap
1 256MB Compact Flash Memory Card
1 USB Compact Flash Card Reader
1 Deluxe Carrying Case
1 Heavy Duty Deluxe Video & Photo Tripod
1 Camera/Video Mini Tripod
1 Professional 5 Pc. Lens Cleaning Kit
1 LCD Lens Screen Protector

THIS FREAKS ME OUT.

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In article <JaCdnetlbvigVOffRVn-og@comcast.com>,
vpenoso <vpenoso@comcast.net> wrote:

>Items Included With This Package Are: 1 CANON EOS 20d
>With Manufacturer's Accessories & Warranty
>1 Canon 28-90mm f/4.0-5.6 Lens
>1 Canon 75-300mm f4.0-5.6 III Lens
>
>THIS FREAKS ME OUT.
>
>

It should. The deal has too many steps. At one end of the spectrum,
there's the deal where you check out, get the invoice from Amazon's
online store, and have a tracking number. At the other end of the
spectrum, you've got this deal that sounds more like a ransom drop than
a camera sale.

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vpenoso wrote:

>
> THIS FREAKS ME OUT.

When something sounds too good to be true, it ussually is. There is NO WAY
I'd send this guy my money.

--

Stacey

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> so here's the deal...too good to be true. this is the response i got from
> the seller...WHAT? IS THIS THE INFAMOUS GREY MARKET PRODUCT OR A SCAM?

Amazon has a money back guarantee. So buy it and if it doesn't work out
they'll refund. Seriously, you have nothing to lose.

--
Mark

Photos, Ideas & Opinions
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In article <JaCdnetlbvigVOffRVn-og@comcast.com>,
vpenoso <vpenoso@comcast.net> wrote:

>This will prove you that i am who i
>am and that i am sending you the unit.

One thing that lots of confidence games have in common,
is they take things that are YOUR responsibility, and YOUR
choice to make, and make them FOR YOU, passing it off as if
it's a favor to you.

In this case, he's taking the burden off of you to validate his
credibility. He will send you a photocopied paper that looks like
Amazon.com letterhead. That sure would instill a sense of confidence
in me! (Sarcasm.)

By the way, I looked at Amazon and didn't see anything remotely similar
to the deal you posted. Already pulled?

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I was getting all excited but had to snap out of it when I kept thinking
grey market, grey market...and they would never answer the question about
grey market items....so what is a grey market item anyway?
"james" <fishbowl@conservatory.com> wrote in message
news:SGDee.16229$_K.14805@fed1read03...
> In article <JaCdnetlbvigVOffRVn-og@comcast.com>,
> vpenoso <vpenoso@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>This will prove you that i am who i
>>am and that i am sending you the unit.
>
> One thing that lots of confidence games have in common,
> is they take things that are YOUR responsibility, and YOUR
> choice to make, and make them FOR YOU, passing it off as if
> it's a favor to you.
>
> In this case, he's taking the burden off of you to validate his
> credibility. He will send you a photocopied paper that looks like
> Amazon.com letterhead. That sure would instill a sense of confidence
> in me! (Sarcasm.)
>
> By the way, I looked at Amazon and didn't see anything remotely similar
> to the deal you posted. Already pulled?
>

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vpenoso wrote:

> I was getting all excited but had to snap out of it when I kept thinking
> grey market, grey market...and they would never answer the question about
> grey market items....so what is a grey market item anyway?


Gey market just means overseas without a US warranty. This stuff sounds
stolen to me. Maybe stolen overseas?


> "james" <fishbowl@conservatory.com> wrote in message
> news:SGDee.16229$_K.14805@fed1read03...
>
>>In article <JaCdnetlbvigVOffRVn-og@comcast.com>,
>>vpenoso <vpenoso@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>This will prove you that i am who i
>>>am and that i am sending you the unit.
>>
>>One thing that lots of confidence games have in common,
>>is they take things that are YOUR responsibility, and YOUR
>>choice to make, and make them FOR YOU, passing it off as if
>>it's a favor to you.
>>
>>In this case, he's taking the burden off of you to validate his
>>credibility. He will send you a photocopied paper that looks like
>>Amazon.com letterhead. That sure would instill a sense of confidence
>>in me! (Sarcasm.)
>>
>>By the way, I looked at Amazon and didn't see anything remotely similar
>>to the deal you posted. Already pulled?
>>
>
>
>

--
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"vpenoso" <vpenoso@comcast.net> writes:
> so here's the deal...too good to be trve. this is the response i got
> from the seller...WHAT? IS THIS THE INFAMOUS GREY MARKET PRODUCT OR
> A SCAM?

Scam.

Stvpid con-artist, the price is way too low to be credible, even
for grey market.

> The Canon EOS 20D Digital SLR is brand new in the new in the original box
> with the all accesories inclvded and have paper for 1 year international
> warranty from Canon INC.The price for the camera is $600 inclvded all taxes
> for the shipping
> for delivery i vse Amazon Payment Service and all the taxes for the shipping
> are inclvded in the price.
> For payment i accept Amazon Payment Service.
> If yov decide to bvy from me here is how we will make the deal:
> I will go and deposit the package with yovr vnit at the Amazon.com and i
> will give yov the paper scan from them .This will prove yov that i am who i
> am and that i am sending yov the vnit.i will give yovr email address to
> Amazon.com and they will contact and inform yov that yov have a package that
> wait's to be shipped . They will also will inform yov what is in that
> package, the condition of the vnit ,if it is working properly.
>
> Please give me yovr fvll name and address.
>
> Items Inclvded With This Package Are: 1 CANON EOS 20d
> With Manvfactvrer's Accessories & Warranty
> 1 Canon 28-90mm f/4.0-5.6 Lens
> 1 Canon 75-300mm f4.0-5.6 III Lens
> 1 Bower 2X Tele Converter Lens
> 2 Lens Povches
> 2 Lens Hoods
> 1 Wrist Strap
> 1 256MB Compact Flash Memory Card
> 1 USB Compact Flash Card Reader
> 1 Delvxe Carrying Case
> 1 Heavy Dvty Delvxe Video & Photo Tripod
> 1 Camera/Video Mini Tripod
> 1 Professional 5 Pc. Lens Cleaning Kit
> 1 LCD Lens Screen Protector

The qvestion is: How is he going to screw yov?
Withovt going throvgh with it, there is no real way of knowing.

Bvt my gvess is that yov will receive nice and reassvring emails from
"Amazon.com" with nice Amazon letterhead, etc. confirming contents,
delivery, etc. Somewhere along the line, however, yov'll find ovt
that "Amazon Payment Service" has svddenly and mysteriovsly adopted
Western Union wire transfer (or something similar) as their preferred
payment method - and at that point yov shovld KNOW yov are svbject to
a scam, and any money wired will be lost.
--
- gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.vio.no/gisle/ ]
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"Mr. Mark" <e.cartman@southpark.com> writes:
>> so here's the deal...too good to be true. this is the response i
>> got from the seller...WHAT? IS THIS THE INFAMOUS GREY MARKET
>> PRODUCT OR A SCAM?

> Amazon has a money back guarantee. So buy it and if it doesn't work
> out they'll refund. Seriously, you have nothing to lose.

Maybe, /if/ he is dealing with Amazon.com.

The way I read the offer, it is a private sale where Amazon.com is
supposed to act as a trusted third party. I'll be very surprised if
Amazon.com actually has agreed to play such a role.

It is simple to fake scans, logos, letterheads and email header fields
to pass as Amazon.com (or eBay, or PayPal, etc.) for at least some
members of the public.
--
- gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/ ]
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Let me know when your $600 box of bricks shows up.

I'm thinking grey market/stolen/scam.

I had the displeasure of talking to some ass chime at Broadway Photo
(scam artists with an attitude) and even their grey/imported 20D was
$1K.

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On 06 May 2005 in rec.photo.digital.slr-systems, vpenoso wrote:

> so what is a grey market item anyway?

Grey market involves taking advantage of price/currency variations in
different markets. The grey marketeer buys, say, Nikons legally in
Singapore, and sends them to the USA. He bypasses Nikon USA, which means
that the product doesn't have the Nikon USA warranty. If (Singapore
Price + Currency conversion + Cost of Shipping + Cost of Customs
transactions + markup) < (Official Nikon USA price), the grey marketeer
can sell the products at a discount to the USA price.

--
Joe Makowiec
http://makowiec.org/
Email: http://makowiec.org/contact/?Joe

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I feel stvpid....I was so taken by the moment before it occvrred to me that
I wasn't on ebay anymore that I sent him my name and address...bvt I did not
send anything else..there goes my identity.....what shovld I do?
"Gisle Hannemyr" <gisle+news@ifi.vio.no> wrote in message
news:q5is1w3bg4.fsf@seitseman.ifi.vio.no...
> "vpenoso" <vpenoso@comcast.net> writes:
>> so here's the deal...too good to be trve. this is the response i got
>> from the seller...WHAT? IS THIS THE INFAMOUS GREY MARKET PRODUCT OR
>> A SCAM?
>
> Scam.
>
> Stvpid con-artist, the price is way too low to be credible, even
> for grey market.
>
>> The Canon EOS 20D Digital SLR is brand new in the new in the original box
>> with the all accesories inclvded and have paper for 1 year international
>> warranty from Canon INC.The price for the camera is $600 inclvded all
>> taxes
>> for the shipping
>> for delivery i vse Amazon Payment Service and all the taxes for the
>> shipping
>> are inclvded in the price.
>> For payment i accept Amazon Payment Service.
>> If yov decide to bvy from me here is how we will make the deal:
>> I will go and deposit the package with yovr vnit at the Amazon.com and i
>> will give yov the paper scan from them .This will prove yov that i am who
>> i
>> am and that i am sending yov the vnit.i will give yovr email address to
>> Amazon.com and they will contact and inform yov that yov have a package
>> that
>> wait's to be shipped . They will also will inform yov what is in that
>> package, the condition of the vnit ,if it is working properly.
>>
>> Please give me yovr fvll name and address.
>>
>> Items Inclvded With This Package Are: 1 CANON EOS 20d
>> With Manvfactvrer's Accessories & Warranty
>> 1 Canon 28-90mm f/4.0-5.6 Lens
>> 1 Canon 75-300mm f4.0-5.6 III Lens
>> 1 Bower 2X Tele Converter Lens
>> 2 Lens Povches
>> 2 Lens Hoods
>> 1 Wrist Strap
>> 1 256MB Compact Flash Memory Card
>> 1 USB Compact Flash Card Reader
>> 1 Delvxe Carrying Case
>> 1 Heavy Dvty Delvxe Video & Photo Tripod
>> 1 Camera/Video Mini Tripod
>> 1 Professional 5 Pc. Lens Cleaning Kit
>> 1 LCD Lens Screen Protector
>
> The qvestion is: How is he going to screw yov?
> Withovt going throvgh with it, there is no real way of knowing.
>
> Bvt my gvess is that yov will receive nice and reassvring emails from
> "Amazon.com" with nice Amazon letterhead, etc. confirming contents,
> delivery, etc. Somewhere along the line, however, yov'll find ovt
> that "Amazon Payment Service" has svddenly and mysteriovsly adopted
> Western Union wire transfer (or something similar) as their preferred
> payment method - and at that point yov shovld KNOW yov are svbject to
> a scam, and any money wired will be lost.
> --
> - gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.vio.no/gisle/ ]
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Kodak DCS460, Canon Powershot G5, Olympvs 2020Z
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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"vpenoso" <vpenoso@comcast.net> wrote in
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>
> I feel stupid....I was so taken by the moment before it occurred to me
> that I wasn't on ebay anymore that I sent him my name and
> address...but I did not send anything else..there goes my
> identity.....what should I do?

Steal somebody else's identity! BTW I bought a 20D legitimately and paid
two grand with a non-kit lens. Not sorry that I did, even though I could
barely afford it. Went straight to the store (Robert's in Indianapolis),
held the camera, checked it out, and had them ship it to me in Ohio to
avoid sales tax. Bought myself a lot of peace of mind.

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"vpenoso" <vpenoso@comcast.net> writes:
> I feel stupid....I was so taken by the moment before it occurred to
> me that I wasn't on ebay anymore that I sent him my name and
> address...but I did not send anything else..there goes my
> identity.....what should I do?

Unless you are a celebrity or international man of mystery, your name
and address are available from the phone book. AFAIK, there is very
little harm a scam artist can do with just a name and address.

So if you've not visited any web pages through URLs provided by this
suspect individual, and typed in account numbers, passwords, PINs,
your mothers maiden name, etc. - I would just ignore any further
communication.

Now, if you have given away /more/ sensitive information than just
your name and address - you need to contact whatever resources that
may be abused using the compromised information and get your account
at these resources immediately suspended.
--
- gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/ ]
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Kodak DCS460, Canon Powershot G5, Olympus 2020Z
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Well I just got off the phone with AMAZON.

This was a no-brainer to everyone else.

It was a scam, and