First budget gaming build Amd fx 4100,will it run all games on high?

Hey guys, i just wanted to know if this build I'm about to do in 2 weeks will be good enough for gaming. My budget is $ 770 and i want to play games on my 48 inch HDTV.I'm getting a AMD FX 4100 with a Radeon HD 6850, NO overclocking will be done on this build or two GPUs.I'm getting the FX 4100 because it's cheap and fast and later this year i want to upgrade to the new fixed versions of the AMD Bulldozer CPU's AMD will release later this year.

So, will this build I'm about to get be good enough to get 30 to 60 fps on games(Crysis 2 Battlefield 3 Arma 2 ect.) with high/ultra settings for at least a year until AMD releases the fixed Dozers ?

Here are the components:

AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4100WMGUSBX

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103996

GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128519

SAPPHIRE 100315L Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102908

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820145345

CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139020

Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148767

SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827151244

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6832116986

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Message edited by amd guy101 on 02-14-2012 at 11:14:36 PM

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How much money do you plan to spend, and in what's your monitor's resolution?

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Are you aware that AMD has announced that they will no longer compete with Intel for desktop business?

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michxymi wrote :

How much money do you plan to spend, and in what's your monitor's resolution?

My budget is $ 770 and my monitor's resolution is 1600 by 900.

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Get this over the FX-4100 - I wouldn't recommend the FX right now because of all the installation issues and Windows issues, things of that nature : http://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] CatId=4432

Read this - it goes into a lot of details about the inner workings of FX and all the problems it's been having: http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,3119.html

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g-unit1111 wrote :

Get this over the FX-4100 - I wouldn't recommend the FX right now because of all the installation issues and Windows issues, things of that nature : http://www.tigerdirect.com/applica [...] CatId=4432

Read this - it goes into a lot of details about the inner workings of FX and all the problems it's been having: http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,3119.html

Wow,so the Amd Fx chips don't work/install right with windows 7 ? I'm about to read that article now,thanks.

Message edited by amd guy101 on 02-14-2012 at 11:28:59 PM

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They say Windows 8 will fix the problems AMD are having, my games should still have playable good fps on Windows 7 with a tiny boost from the two Windows 7 hotfixes maybe, until the window 8 upgrade ?

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Also, if you look at this article:
http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,3120.html

It shows that even the Pentium G860 outperforms the FX4100 AND FX6100. Therefore, I recommend spending the extra $15 and getting the core i3 2120, which outperforms EVERY AMD CPU under $200 in games, which you'll also see in that article. Currently, AMD just isn't up to par in the desktop gaming world.

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amd guy101 wrote :

They say Windows 8 will fix the problems AMD are having, my games should still have playable good fps on Windows 7 with a tiny boost from the two Windows 7 hotfixes maybe, until the window 8 upgrade ?

I'm really hoping Windows 8 will include things to make AMD CPUs work better but I'm doubting it. To me so far Windows 8 is looking like Vista with a cell phone interface. That's bad.

yeah.

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termhn wrote :

yeah.

I know. Last thing we need is more devices to post our Facebook status, play Angry Birds and Cut The Rope on, right? :lol:

ram1009 wrote :

Are you aware that AMD has announced that they will no longer compete with Intel for desktop business?

High end desktop they will not try and compete anymore they are still in tho.

Reply to fistoffoo

OP I ran the fx 4100 for a bit and it ran the games just fine but I upgraded to fx-8150 just to have the best.

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Windows doesnt handle threads in a way that optimises bulldozers power management . All that happens is that in some cases bd wont clock itself up when its only running a couple of threads .

There is no reason to avoid BD . The FX 4100 is great value as a gaming cpu .
And while you might not OC it now you can do that later if you wish

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termhn wrote :

Also, if you look at this article:
http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,3120.html

It shows that even the Pentium G860 outperforms the FX4100 AND FX6100. Therefore, I recommend spending the extra $15 and getting the core i3 2120, which outperforms EVERY AMD CPU under $200 in games, which you'll also see in that article. Currently, AMD just isn't up to par in the desktop gaming world.

Thanks, i might have to do that.I really,really want the core i5 but that would put me way over budget.And the AMD quad fx is perfect money wise for me, if only AMD didn't have this problem with the FX CPUs everything would be perfect :cry:

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amd guy101 wrote :

Thanks, i might have to do that.I really,really want the core i5 but that would put me way over budget.And the AMD quad fx is perfect money wise for me, if only AMD didn't have this problem with the FX CPUs everything would be perfect :cry:

You could always go with the X4-960T if you want to stick with AMD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103995

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amd guy101 wrote :

Thanks, i might have to do that.I really,really want the core i5 but that would put me way over budget.And the AMD quad fx is perfect money wise for me, if only AMD didn't have this problem with the FX CPUs everything would be perfect :cry:

FX4100 is a good budget CPU mate I own one.

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fistoffoo wrote :

OP I ran the fx 4100 for a bit and it ran the games just fine but I upgraded to fx-8150 just to have the best.

Awesome ! What kind of GPU did you have with the FX 4100 ? And were you able to play games on high/ultra without any probs ?

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Message edited by amd guy101 on 02-15-2012 at 01:09:34 AM

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amd guy101 wrote :

Awesome ! What kind of GPU did you have with the FX 4100 ? And were you able to play games on high/ultra without any probs ?

I ran the fx 4100 with a 7970 just to try it out and it ran BF3 maxed, Skyrim maxed, Batman Maxed, Metro Maxed, Crysis maxed and more

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fistoffoo wrote :

I ran the fx 4100 with a 7970 just to try it out and it ran BF3 maxed, Skyrim maxed, Batman Maxed, Metro Maxed, Crysis maxed and more

of course, all those games are more GPU intensive than CPU intensive, an intensive MMO might struggle more.

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g-unit1111 wrote :

You could always go with the X4-960T if you want to stick with AMD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103995

Thanks,

Yeah, I'm taking a look at every alternative now.It's kinda crazy that amds older cpus seem to be better than the new ones.

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Outlander_04 wrote :

Windows doesnt handle threads in a way that optimises bulldozers power management . All that happens is that in some cases bd wont clock itself up when its only running a couple of threads .

There is no reason to avoid BD . The FX 4100 is great value as a gaming cpu .
And while you might not OC it now you can do that later if you wish

Thanks,yeah it might be to good of a value to pass up,plus they did say these work slightly better if you OC.Hmmm,this is gonna be a tough decision.I wish i had the option to save a extra $ 100 or 200 but i don't.

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Message edited by amd guy101 on 02-15-2012 at 01:31:03 AM

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amd guy101 wrote :

Thanks,yeah it might be to good of a value to pass up,plus they did say these work slightly better if you OC.

Even if some of intels budget chips are fractionally faster than an FX 4100 they wont be once you OC the FX 4100 .
Remember the intel i3's cant be overclocked

The FX 4100 is a budget king IMO . If you build for it now you also get the upgrade path of the next generation of piledriver cpu's

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Outlander_04 wrote :

Even if some of intels budget chips are fractionally faster than an FX 4100 they wont be once you OC the FX 4100 .
Remember the intel i3's cant be overclocked

The FX 4100 is a budget king IMO . If you build for it now you also get the upgrade path of the next generation of piledriver cpu's

+1^

Reply to fistoffoo

re-arrange your budget.
if staying with AMD then 990FX motherboard and a Phenom II x 965BE - 980BE processor, don't go FX-4100.
instead of the FX-4100 you should go Intel.

and even clocked to 5.0GHz the performance of the FX-Bulldozer is crap.

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Ok I'm sold, i think i will go with the FX 4100.I'm glad i have 2 weeks to make the decision,hopefully the Radeon HD 6850 will hold me down till i can afford a Radeon 7 series.Thanks for all the help guys!

Message edited by amd guy101 on 02-15-2012 at 01:55:31 AM

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^ +10

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6850 won't run high/ultra on BF3 in multiplayer, you need something like a GTX 560ti.

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somekidxd wrote :

6850 won't run high/ultra on BF3 in multiplayer, you need something like a GTX 560ti.

Nothing will run BF3 perfectly on Ultra even high.

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somekidxd wrote :

6850 won't run high/ultra on BF3 in multiplayer, you need something like a GTX 560ti.

fistoffoo wrote :

Nothing will run BF3 perfectly on Ultra even high.

Well I'm not trying to go ultra or super high settings on every game but i do want to run at a good high setting with good fps, no meduim or low.Can the Radeon 6850 do that cause that's all I'm really looking for at the moment ? Or do i need a 6950 ? I'm trying to go with a Radeon.

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Message edited by amd guy101 on 02-15-2012 at 02:14:22 AM

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FX-4100 will be your downfall...
965BE - 980BE is worth the extra coin..

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Reply to malmental

I meant to +10 that, so ^ +10

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amd guy101 wrote :

Well I'm not trying to go ultra or super high settings on every game but i do want to run at a good high setting with good fps, no meduim or low.Can the Radeon 6850 do that cause that's all I'm really looking for at the moment ? Or do i need a 6950 ? I'm trying to go with a Radeon.

6850 overclocks like a Boss from what I have seen and in some games it achieves GTX 570 performance when OCed on the Msi Cyclone model.

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malmental wrote :

FX-4100 will be your downfall...
965BE - 980BE is worth the extra coin..

I hope not but i will keep all options on the table until i put this together but the FX just doesn't seem that bad for what I'm gonna be doing with it and how long i will have it.I wish i would have just got the 965BE last year.

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fistoffoo wrote :

6850 overclocks like a Boss from what I have seen and in some games it achieves GTX 570 performance when OCed on the Msi Cyclone model.

Nice, will take a look at the Msi one.

Reply to amd guy101

AMD's hopes rest within Piledriver.
May you pray hard..

and the HD 6850 doesn't not match the GTX 570 when clocked.
more of the GTX 560 Ti level.

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malmental wrote :

AMD's hopes rest within Piledriver.
May you pray hard..

and the HD 6850 doesn't not match the GTX 570 when clocked.
more of the GTX 560 Ti level.

I seen this one Msi Cyclone I was looking at as an upgrade from my 4890HD. Its a good card for playing Crysis on http://www.overclockersclub.com/re [...] lone/7.htm

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termhn wrote :

Also, if you look at this article:
http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,3120.html

It shows that even the Pentium G860 outperforms the FX4100 AND FX6100. Therefore, I recommend spending the extra $15 and getting the core i3 2120, which outperforms EVERY AMD CPU under $200 in games, which you'll also see in that article. Currently, AMD just isn't up to par in the desktop gaming world.

AMD isn't up to par in the desktop gaming world. Then why am I getting between 70 and 120 in ultra on BF3? Why do I average 100+ in Dirt3 and Crysis 2 plays like the old Cysis on my machine. If you put my machine up against whatever intel machine it will feel the same exact unless you do your stupid benchmarks...

Stop comparing Hyundai With BMW and start comparing Cadillac with BMW... IF this guy can grab a X4 970 with a 6950, he will be averaging almost 40fps in every game... Pretty good for AMD

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fistoffoo wrote :

Nothing will run BF3 perfectly on Ultra even high.

I average I think 82ish on Ultra Between 70ish and 120ish...

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fistoffoo wrote :

I seen this one Msi Cyclone I was looking at as an upgrade from my 4890HD. Its a good card for playing Crysis on http://www.overclockersclub.com/re [...] lone/7.htm

you really need to be looking in the HD 6870 range and not the HD 6850 range.
possibly a HD 6950 on sale.
nVidia would be GTX 560 / Ti or better.

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zloginet wrote :

I average I think 82ish on Ultra Between 70ish and 120ish...

I have BD and I am happy with it.

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fistoffoo wrote :

I have BD and I am happy with it.

you'd be happier without it...

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malmental wrote :

you'd be happier without it...

Who are you to say what is good for me have you owned BD 8150 you sound like a subjective salesmen starving for a commission.

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fistoffoo wrote :

Who are you to say what is good for me have you owned BD 8150 you sound like a subjective salesmen starving for a commission.

a person who knows better... :kaola:

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fistoffoo wrote :

I have BD and I am happy with it.

Curious why you quoted me?

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Cause I to am happy with BD I love it !

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Intel Core i3-2100 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz LGA 1155 65W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115078
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AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819103996
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ASRock 990FX Extreme3 AM3+ AMD 990FX
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Message edited by malmental on 02-18-2012 at 04:53:03 AM

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amd guy101 wrote :

I hope not but i will keep all options on the table until i put this together but the FX just doesn't seem that bad for what I'm gonna be doing with it and how long i will have it.I wish i would have just got the 965BE last year.

You really have to learn to spot and ignore the fanboys, they won't even acknowledge the other side's accomplishments, kinda like Apple zealots.

I can't really recommend the FX line of CPU's though, their performance is sketchy most of the time. In games it doesn't matter much, you really have to monkey with the settings to make them unplayable. Otherwise for the money their not really the best in most cases.

You'll still be able to play all your games on the fx4100, although I'd recommend going with the 6100 if possible. Get a 965 or 970BE if their available, you'd get better overall performance but your on a limited budget.

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malmental wrote :

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^^^ stupid...... My friend has a 2600K @ 5.0 and we put my 7970 in it to find out what all happens. We found out benchmarks made the only difference. His in game experience was the same as mine in terms of being well well over 60fps...

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Apple zealots he says LOL

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