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With the merger of Cingular and ATTWS and their switch to GSM from
TDMA, how do people think the new Cingular will compare with Verizon
Wireless and CDMA?

Also, with Cingular, a big TDMA company, switching to GSM, looks like
the market for TDMA phones is going to dry up.

Finally, with Cingular now the biggest company (customers or
coverage?) supporting GSM, I presume Tmobile will start to fade?

I have a newly renewed two year contract with Verizon Wireless.
Since it will take Cingular about two years anyway to smooth things
out, should be interesting to see where they are then when my contract
expires with Verizon Wireless.

Thanks.

Scott

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In <8c8a703f.0410281138.22b1ee63@posting.google.com> on 28 Oct 2004 12:38:24
-0700, scott@ehrlichtronics.com (Scott Ehrlich) wrote:

>With the merger of Cingular and ATTWS and their switch to GSM from
>TDMA, how do people think the new Cingular will compare with Verizon
>Wireless and CDMA?

Better coverage, more spectrum.

>Also, with Cingular, a big TDMA company, switching to GSM, looks like
>the market for TDMA phones is going to dry up.

Correct.

>Finally, with Cingular now the biggest company (customers or
>coverage?) supporting GSM, I presume Tmobile will start to fade?

Perhaps, but I personally expect it to at least stay around for quite some
time to come.

>I have a newly renewed two year contract with Verizon Wireless.
>Since it will take Cingular about two years anyway to smooth things
>out, should be interesting to see where they are then when my contract
>expires with Verizon Wireless.

I expect Cingular to complete most of the integration of ATTWS within a year.
Networks and infrastructure are highly compatible.

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> "John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
> news:uvdgd.1801$_3.24693@typhoon.sonic.net...
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>
> In <8c8a703f.0410281138.22b1ee63@posting.google.com> on 28 Oct 2004
> 12:38:24
> -0700, scott@ehrlichtronics.com (Scott Ehrlich) wrote:
>
>>With the merger of Cingular and ATTWS and their switch to GSM from
>>TDMA, how do people think the new Cingular will compare with Verizon
>>Wireless and CDMA?
>
> Better coverage, more spectrum.
>
Coverage is comparable to VZW

>>Also, with Cingular, a big TDMA company, switching to GSM, looks like
>>the market for TDMA phones is going to dry up.
>
> Correct.
>
Is not Cingular already using GSM as well as TDMA?

>>Finally, with Cingular now the biggest company (customers or
>>coverage?) supporting GSM, I presume Tmobile will start to fade?
>
> Perhaps, but I personally expect it to at least stay around for quite some
> time to come.
>
>>I have a newly renewed two year contract with Verizon Wireless.
>>Since it will take Cingular about two years anyway to smooth things
>>out, should be interesting to see where they are then when my contract
>>expires with Verizon Wireless.
>
> I expect Cingular to complete most of the integration of ATTWS within a
> year.
> Networks and infrastructure are highly compatible.
>
And I see VZW competing with Cingular and maybe even gaining customers
as the combined AT&T/Cingular work the network out.

> --
> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
>
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On 28 Oct 2004 12:38:24 -0700, scott@ehrlichtronics.com (Scott
Ehrlich) wrote:

>With the merger of Cingular and ATTWS and their switch to GSM from
>TDMA, how do people think the new Cingular will compare with Verizon
>Wireless and CDMA?
>
>Also, with Cingular, a big TDMA company, switching to GSM, looks like
>the market for TDMA phones is going to dry up.

Not going to has. The number of TDMA/IS-136 handsets being offered is
a very few models as compared to several years ago.

>Finally, with Cingular now the biggest company (customers or
>coverage?)

Definitely by number of customers.

>I presume Tmobile will start to fade?

T-Mobile will probably hold their own.

Don't forget that cingular (and before that Bell South/Southwestern
Bell) had a fifteen year head start over VoiceStream/T-Mobile. It's
not surprising at all that they are farther ahead than VS/TM is.

>I have a newly renewed two year contract with Verizon Wireless.
>Since it will take Cingular about two years anyway to smooth things
>out, should be interesting to see where they are then when my contract
>expires with Verizon Wireless.

And there is a point to your post. What is it?
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On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:32:22 GMT, "Andy S"
<adsisson@NOrochesterSPAM.rr.com> wrote:

>> "John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>> news:uvdgd.1801$_3.24693@typhoon.sonic.net...
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>>
>> In <8c8a703f.0410281138.22b1ee63@posting.google.com> on 28 Oct 2004
>> 12:38:24
>> -0700, scott@ehrlichtronics.com (Scott Ehrlich) wrote:
>>
>>>With the merger of Cingular and ATTWS and their switch to GSM from
>>>TDMA, how do people think the new Cingular will compare with Verizon
>>>Wireless and CDMA?
>>
>> Better coverage, more spectrum.
>>
>Coverage is comparable to VZW
>
>>>Also, with Cingular, a big TDMA company, switching to GSM, looks like
>>>the market for TDMA phones is going to dry up.
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>Is not Cingular already using GSM as well as TDMA?
Only in California/Nevada. PBMS was a GSM operator, the other
components of Cingular were not GSM operators.

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In <qcggd.28461$JS4.24634@twister.nyroc.rr.com> on Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:32:22
GMT, "Andy S" <adsisson@NOrochesterSPAM.rr.com> wrote:

>> "John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>> news:uvdgd.1801$_3.24693@typhoon.sonic.net...

>>>With the merger of Cingular and ATTWS and their switch to GSM from
>>>TDMA, how do people think the new Cingular will compare with Verizon
>>>Wireless and CDMA?
>>
>> Better coverage, more spectrum.
>>
>Coverage is comparable to VZW

Actually quite a bit better.

>>>Also, with Cingular, a big TDMA company, switching to GSM, looks like
>>>the market for TDMA phones is going to dry up.
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>Is not Cingular already using GSM as well as TDMA?

Cingular is migrating rapidly to GSM.

>> I expect Cingular to complete most of the integration of ATTWS within a
>> year.
>> Networks and infrastructure are highly compatible.
>>
>And I see VZW competing with Cingular and maybe even gaining customers
>as the combined AT&T/Cingular work the network out.

Only time will tell.

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John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

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In <b0g3o0lh5qnp6rjda327f59d88mkipt4k3@4ax.com> on Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:59:56
-0700, matt weber <mattheww50@cox.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:32:22 GMT, "Andy S"
><adsisson@NOrochesterSPAM.rr.com> wrote:

>>Is not Cingular already using GSM as well as TDMA?

>Only in California/Nevada. PBMS was a GSM operator, the other
>components of Cingular were not GSM operators.

Cingular has pretty much completed nationwide overlay of TDMA with GSM,
especially when ATTWS is factored in.

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John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>