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I have had a hard drive crash and didnt realise that the reason the system
wouldnt (initially) do backups and then get into windows was that the HDD
was crashing (I thought it was something to do with having installed Easy CD
Creator onto a Windows 2000 machine) See postings elsewhere on
comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage)

I need to get some files off it. Does anyone know of a CONSUMER data
recovery service anywhere I can send the drive to which doesn't assume you
are a huge corporation with unlimited resources please?

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Maria Ripanykhazova wrote:
>
> I have had a hard drive crash and didnt realise that the reason the system
> wouldnt (initially) do backups and then get into windows was that the HDD
> was crashing (I thought it was something to do with having installed Easy CD
> Creator onto a Windows 2000 machine) See postings elsewhere on
> comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage)
>
> I need to get some files off it. Does anyone know of a CONSUMER data
> recovery service anywhere I can send the drive to which doesn't assume you
> are a huge corporation with unlimited resources please?

Give us a shout, Maria - we should be able to help.


Odie
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How about the free software Filerecovery. If you have a second drive or if
you are able to boot from a second windows then everything is fine with this
software. It is free.
"Odie Ferrous" <odie_ferrous@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:420E3239.E7C05BEE@hotmail.com...
> Maria Ripanykhazova wrote:
>>
>> I have had a hard drive crash and didnt realise that the reason the
>> system
>> wouldnt (initially) do backups and then get into windows was that the HDD
>> was crashing (I thought it was something to do with having installed Easy
>> CD
>> Creator onto a Windows 2000 machine) See postings elsewhere on
>> comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage)
>>
>> I need to get some files off it. Does anyone know of a CONSUMER data
>> recovery service anywhere I can send the drive to which doesn't assume
>> you
>> are a huge corporation with unlimited resources please?
>
> Give us a shout, Maria - we should be able to help.
>
>
> Odie
> --
>
> RetroData
> Data Recovery Experts
> www.retrodata.co.uk

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If your drive is still under warranty and you want to get it replaced under
warranty, the drive manufacturer may limit your choice of data recovery
services.

Also, remember that you get what you pay for and the commercial data
recovery services, such as www,ontrack.com may have tools and techniques not
available from less expensive services.

I would check with www.ontrack.com.

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"Maria Ripanykhazova" <news.rnc.com> wrote in message
news:HsKdnY5dZMS-vpPfRVn-jQ@rcn.net...
> I have had a hard drive crash and didnt realise that the reason the system
> wouldnt (initially) do backups and then get into windows was that the HDD
> was crashing (I thought it was something to do with having installed Easy
CD
> Creator onto a Windows 2000 machine) See postings elsewhere on
> comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage)
>
> I need to get some files off it. Does anyone know of a CONSUMER data
> recovery service anywhere I can send the drive to which doesn't assume you
> are a huge corporation with unlimited resources please?
>
>

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In comp.sys.laptops Howard Kaikow <kaikow@standards.com> wrote:
: If your drive is still under warranty and you want to get it replaced under
: warranty, the drive manufacturer may limit your choice of data recovery
: services.

For many, the data on the drive is worth more than the drive itself,
so the drive warranty is moot if that drive has the only copy of it.
For example, I bought a new Seagate desktop hard drive, 160GB, for $54
after rebate last week. You can buy a much smaller laptop hard drive
for only about $80. The data on my drive - if by chance I hadn't
backed it up - is worth much more than that.

: Also, remember that you get what you pay for and the commercial data
: recovery services, such as www,ontrack.com may have tools and techniques not
: available from less expensive services.

I think your options are limited if your hard drive crashes. In most
cases, the crashed drive is not accessible at all with any hardware
and your only choice is to send to an expensive recovery service.
Considering how often hard drives crash for no reason, it's incredibly
stupid not to backup your hard drive. I've had at least three hard
drives crash on me and have talked to numerous others who have
experienced such. The odds are against you.

If you have a backup of your drive, you can of course just send your
drive back if it's under warranty and get a replacement, as I did last
year with one of my crashed drives.

Andrew
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usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com (Andrew) wrote in
comp.sys.laptops:


> Considering how often hard drives crash for no
> reason, it's incredibly stupid not to backup your hard drive.
> I've had at least three hard drives crash on me and have talked
> to numerous others who have experienced such. The odds are
> against you.

To be honest, I doubt it. Hard drives are pretty reliable these
days, and certainly hundreds of procent more reliable than say ten
years ago. I find it amazing how few they crash theses days, but
it can be a matter of perspective.

But about backing up you're absolutely right, if it's only your
valuable data if you don't have space to make a ghost of your
complete hard drive.

One consolation, even in the 22dn century we have "non-
backupping" dumbos:

http://www.firsttvdrama.com/enterprise/e64.php3






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half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
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CeeBee <ceebeechester@start.com.au> wrote:
>usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com (Andrew) wrote: in
>> The odds are against you.

>To be honest, I doubt it. Hard drives are pretty reliable these
>days, and certainly hundreds of procent more reliable than say ten
>years ago.

So they were hundreds of percent _less_ reliable a decade ago? 8*)

I don't have that many clients, but I probably see a dozen failed hard
drives in a year, with maybe 3-4 of them non-recoverable without
spending a fortune on data recovery. If you care about your data,
definitely back up! The latest data recovery quote for a
non-functional drive I sent in a week ago was $400 to $2500!

I'd love to know that it's do-able for less than that, but the nature
of the beast is that it's a very {labor,time,equipment,risk}-intensive
process, and isn't ever going to be cheap.

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In article <culmg0$lo5$1@pyrite.mv.net>,
Howard Kaikow <kaikow@standards.com> wrote:
>If your drive is still under warranty and you want to get it replaced under
>warranty, the drive manufacturer may limit your choice of data recovery
>services.
>
>Also, remember that you get what you pay for and the commercial data
>recovery services, such as www,ontrack.com may have tools and techniques not
>available from less expensive services.
>
>I would check with www.ontrack.com.
>

Ditto for a recommendation for Ontrack.

>--
>http://www.standards.com/; See Howard Kaikow's web site.
>"Maria Ripanykhazova" <news.rnc.com> wrote in message
>news:HsKdnY5dZMS-vpPfRVn-jQ@rcn.net...
>> I have had a hard drive crash and didnt realise that the reason the system
>> wouldnt (initially) do backups and then get into windows was that the HDD
>> was crashing (I thought it was something to do with having installed Easy
>CD
>> Creator onto a Windows 2000 machine) See postings elsewhere on
>> comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage)
>>
>> I need to get some files off it. Does anyone know of a CONSUMER data
>> recovery service anywhere I can send the drive to which doesn't assume you
>> are a huge corporation with unlimited resources please?
>>
>>
>
>


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In comp.sys.laptops CeeBee <ceebeechester@start.com.au> wrote:
: usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com (Andrew) wrote in
: comp.sys.laptops:


: > Considering how often hard drives crash for no
: > reason, it's incredibly stupid not to backup your hard drive.
: > I've had at least three hard drives crash on me and have talked
: > to numerous others who have experienced such. The odds are
: > against you.

: To be honest, I doubt it. Hard drives are pretty reliable these
: days, and certainly hundreds of procent more reliable than say ten
: years ago. I find it amazing how few they crash theses days, but
: it can be a matter of perspective.

(shrug) I guess after seeing more than one dead hard drive in the
last two years where all data was lost I'll stick with my assumption
that hard drives can and do crash regularly, no matter how much more
reliable people say they are. :-)

Andrew
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CeeBee wrote:
>
> usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com (Andrew) wrote in
> comp.sys.laptops:
>
> > Considering how often hard drives crash for no
> > reason, it's incredibly stupid not to backup your hard drive.
> > I've had at least three hard drives crash on me and have talked
> > to numerous others who have experienced such. The odds are
> > against you.
>
> To be honest, I doubt it. Hard drives are pretty reliable these
> days, and certainly hundreds of procent more reliable than say ten
> years ago. I find it amazing how few they crash theses days, but
> it can be a matter of perspective.
>
> But about backing up you're absolutely right, if it's only your
> valuable data if you don't have space to make a ghost of your
> complete hard drive.
>


A lot of you are harping on about people being stupid for not backing
up.

Sure, it's not the brightest thing to ignore, but bear in mind that a
little over 10 years ago, a new 40MB hard drive cost (in the UK, fitted)
over £400. A tape streamer to back that drive up cost only £80 - £100
or so.

Nowadays, a 200GB drive is well under £100, yet a tape backup solution
for that volume is at least ten times as much. (Please don't mention
backing up to another hard drive.)

Economics play a role as well.


Odie
--

RetroData
Data Recovery Experts
www.retrodata.co.uk

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"CeeBee" <ceebeechester@start.com.au> wrote in message
news:Xns95FBE0D06C36Aceebeechesterstartco@213.75.12.136...
> usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com (Andrew) wrote in
> comp.sys.laptops:
>
>
> > Considering how often hard drives crash for no
> > reason, it's incredibly stupid not to backup your hard drive.
> > I've had at least three hard drives crash on me and have talked
> > to numerous others who have experienced such. The odds are
> > against you.
>
> To be honest, I doubt it. Hard drives are pretty reliable these
> days, and certainly hundreds of procent more reliable than say ten
> years ago. I find it amazing how few they crash theses days, but
> it can be a matter of perspective.

Actually, I think we've passed through a peak in reliability of hard drives.
Over the past few years, we've maintained the 3.5" physical form but
increased the capacity by perhaps an order and a half magnitude. I don't
think it's coincidence that the drive manufacturers no longer warrant their
drives for three years as was standard a few years ago. Maybe I'm nervous
because I just had a 160 GB drive replaced in under a year due to SMART
errors.
>
> But about backing up you're absolutely right, if it's only your
> valuable data if you don't have space to make a ghost of your
> complete hard drive.
>
> One consolation, even in the 22dn century we have "non-
> backupping" dumbos:
>
> http://www.firsttvdrama.com/enterprise/e64.php3
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> CeeBee
>
>
> "I don't know half of you
> half as well as I should like;
> and I like less than half of you
> half as well as you deserve."

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"Odie Ferrous" <odie_ferrous@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:420EBBF7.1224C882@hotmail.com...
> CeeBee wrote:
> >
> > usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com (Andrew) wrote in
> > comp.sys.laptops:
> >
> > > Considering how often hard drives crash for no
> > > reason, it's incredibly stupid not to backup your hard drive.
> > > I've had at least three hard drives crash on me and have talked
> > > to numerous others who have experienced such. The odds are
> > > against you.
> >
> > To be honest, I doubt it. Hard drives are pretty reliable these
> > days, and certainly hundreds of procent more reliable than say ten
> > years ago. I find it amazing how few they crash theses days, but
> > it can be a matter of perspective.
> >
> > But about backing up you're absolutely right, if it's only your
> > valuable data if you don't have space to make a ghost of your
> > complete hard drive.
> >
>
>
> A lot of you are harping on about people being stupid for not backing
> up.
>
> Sure, it's not the brightest thing to ignore, but bear in mind that a
> little over 10 years ago, a new 40MB hard drive cost (in the UK, fitted)
> over £400. A tape streamer to back that drive up cost only £80 - £100
> or so.
>
> Nowadays, a 200GB drive is well under £100, yet a tape backup solution
> for that volume is at least ten times as much. (Please don't mention
> backing up to another hard drive.)

Why not? That can be convenient enough to encourage even the laziest to back
up their data. Of course, for the most important data, one needs also to
frequently back up to off-site storage. That can be accomplished for most
people fairly easily using inexpensive DVD's.
>
> Economics play a role as well.
>
>
> Odie
> --
>
> RetroData
> Data Recovery Experts
> www.retrodata.co.uk

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Odie Ferrous wrote:

> CeeBee wrote:
>>
>> usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com (Andrew) wrote in
>> comp.sys.laptops:
>>
>> > Considering how often hard drives crash for no
>> > reason, it's incredibly stupid not to backup your hard drive.
>> > I've had at least three hard drives crash on me and have talked
>> > to numerous others who have experienced such. The odds are
>> > against you.
>>
>> To be honest, I doubt it. Hard drives are pretty reliable these
>> days, and certainly hundreds of procent more reliable than say ten
>> years ago. I find it amazing how few they crash theses days, but
>> it can be a matter of perspective.
>>
>> But about backing up you're absolutely right, if it's only your
>> valuable data if you don't have space to make a ghost of your
>> complete hard drive.
>>
>
>
> A lot of you are harping on about people being stupid for not backing
> up.
>
> Sure, it's not the brightest thing to ignore, but bear in mind that a
> little over 10 years ago, a new 40MB hard drive cost (in the UK, fitted)
> over £400. A tape streamer to back that drive up cost only £80 - £100
> or so.
>
> Nowadays, a 200GB drive is well under £100, yet a tape backup solution
> for that volume is at least ten times as much. (Please don't mention
> backing up to another hard drive.)

Why not mention it? It's cost-effective and works fine as long as you do it
right.

> Economics play a role as well.
>
>
> Odie

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