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How do I turn off the GPS tracking on our V551's??
 
 
TNX Jim

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Jimbo wrote:
 
> How do I turn off the GPS tracking on our V551's??
>  
>  
> TNX Jim
>  
 
 
You're in luck, the V551 doesn't use GPS for tracking - or anything else  
for that matter because it doesn't have a GPS feature.
 
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:50:19 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
 
>Jimbo wrote:
>
>> How do I turn off the GPS tracking on our V551's??
>>  
>>  
>> TNX Jim
>>  
>
>
>You're in luck, the V551 doesn't use GPS for tracking - or anything else  
>for that matter because it doesn't have a GPS feature.
 
It does have the ability to send your location to the network during
an emergency call.  Indicators on the screen show when your phone is
sending location information.  Page 26 in the manual.  I don't know if
GPS is involved, but somehow it knows where it is.
 
Dick

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In article <1a3h419canm9er3mhnncig3ir17komop4p@4ax.com>, Dick  
<LeadWinger> says...
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:50:19 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
>  
> >Jimbo wrote:
> >
> >> How do I turn off the GPS tracking on our V551's??
> >>  
> >>  
> >> TNX Jim
> >>  
> >
> >
> >You're in luck, the V551 doesn't use GPS for tracking - or anything else  
> >for that matter because it doesn't have a GPS feature.
>  
> It does have the ability to send your location to the network during
> an emergency call.  Indicators on the screen show when your phone is
> sending location information.  Page 26 in the manual.  I don't know if
> GPS is involved, but somehow it knows where it is.
 
 
I belive that it is based on towers that service given cell phone ... I  
guess when you turn your cell phone off towers will not communicate with  
your cell phone
 
AP

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I saw that in a movie once.  I can't recall the name of it but, the bad  
guy - who was really the good guy, was tracked by the expert cell operators  
which could triangulate the guys exact position to within feet.  He finally  
threw the phone in a dumpster.  I guess we all should some day.  Specially  
if we are running away from the LEOs.
 
Better yet, I just heard that bad guys (or maybe cops too) were leaving cell  
phones behind and hidden on silent, auto-answer.  They would then call the  
hidden phone and the phone would be a listening device.
 
What kind of a world are we creating -- scary!
 
MG
 
 
 
"AP" <cat@eveningstar.dyndns.org> wrote in message  
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> In article <1a3h419canm9er3mhnncig3ir17komop4p@4ax.com>, Dick
> <LeadWinger> says...
>> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:50:19 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
>>
>> >Jimbo wrote:
>> >
>> >> How do I turn off the GPS tracking on our V551's??
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> TNX Jim
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >You're in luck, the V551 doesn't use GPS for tracking - or anything else
>> >for that matter because it doesn't have a GPS feature.
>>
>> It does have the ability to send your location to the network during
>> an emergency call.  Indicators on the screen show when your phone is
>> sending location information.  Page 26 in the manual.  I don't know if
>> GPS is involved, but somehow it knows where it is.
>
>
> I belive that it is based on towers that service given cell phone ... I
> guess when you turn your cell phone off towers will not communicate with
> your cell phone
>
> AP

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Mr.~G. wrote:
> I saw that in a movie once.  I can't recall the name of it but, the bad  
> guy - who was really the good guy, was tracked by the expert cell operators  
> which could triangulate the guys exact position to within feet.  He finally  
> threw the phone in a dumpster.  I guess we all should some day.  Specially  
> if we are running away from the LEOs.
 
Sounds similar to 'The Net' with Sandra Bullock.
 
> Better yet, I just heard that bad guys (or maybe cops too) were leaving cell  
> phones behind and hidden on silent, auto-answer.  They would then call the  
> hidden phone and the phone would be a listening device.
>  
> What kind of a world are we creating -- scary!
 
Scary what people do now, isn't it?

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Dick wrote:
 
> On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:50:19 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
>  
>  
>>Jimbo wrote:
>>
>>
>>>How do I turn off the GPS tracking on our V551's??
>>>
>>>
>>>TNX Jim
>>>
>>
>>
>>You're in luck, the V551 doesn't use GPS for tracking - or anything else  
>>for that matter because it doesn't have a GPS feature.
>  
>  
> It does have the ability to send your location to the network during
> an emergency call.  Indicators on the screen show when your phone is
> sending location information.  Page 26 in the manual.  I don't know if
> GPS is involved, but somehow it knows where it is.
>  
> Dick
 
The phone itself doesn't do anything extraordinary, it's a radio that  
transmits a signal.  But, that signal is used by the cellular system to  
extrapolate the location of the transmitter, and only when 911 is  
dialed.  The cellular system is calibrated with GPS using pre-tested  
transmitters, and the location results are stored for subsequent  
comparisons to other transmitters when necessary.
 
http://www.trueposition.com is helpful.
 
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Mr.~G. wrote:
 
 
> Better yet, I just heard that bad guys (or maybe cops too) were leaving cell  
> phones behind and hidden on silent, auto-answer.  They would then call the  
> hidden phone and the phone would be a listening device.
>  
> What kind of a world are we creating -- scary!
 
 
Prepay phones are great for this, and you're just now hearing about it?  
  And some people still don't know the value of a cell jammer.  <whisper  
mode on>  I do.
 
 
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On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:48:03 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
 
>> It does have the ability to send your location to the network during
>> an emergency call.  Indicators on the screen show when your phone is
>> sending location information.  Page 26 in the manual.  I don't know if
>> GPS is involved, but somehow it knows where it is.
>>  
>> Dick
>
>The phone itself doesn't do anything extraordinary, it's a radio that  
>transmits a signal.  But, that signal is used by the cellular system to  
>extrapolate the location of the transmitter, and only when 911 is  
>dialed.  The cellular system is calibrated with GPS using pre-tested  
>transmitters, and the location results are stored for subsequent  
>comparisons to other transmitters when necessary.
>
>http://www.trueposition.com is helpful.
 
An interesting site.  Thanks.  It indicates that any phone on the
Cingular network works with E-911 when it is available.  What then is
the V551 doing that is different from an ordinary cel phone?  When it
sends location information to the network a little icon comes on the
screen.  Is it receiving information from the towers and doing its own
extrapolation, then sending that back to the towers?  It's obviously
doing something that a common cel phone can't do.
 
Dick

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> How do I turn off the GPS tracking on our V551's??
 
GPS doesn't 'track'.  Any cell phone already tracks you and probably more
accurately than GPS would anyway.  If you don't want your position known
your only option is to not use a cell phone.

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In article <9pqdnWhp8eUYGNHfRVn-ug@speakeasy.net>, wkearney99@hotmail.com  
says...
> GPS doesn't 'track'.  Any cell phone already tracks you and probably more
> accurately than GPS would anyway.  If you don't want your position known
> your only option is to not use a cell phone.
>  
>  
>  
the only cell phone I use now is from the company I work for and I've  
always wondered about this. it is a nextel network phone. by *position  
known* I guess you mean relative to the nearest tower which in my town  
would probably be a 15 - 30  miles radius. so in reality just the phone  
can't provide too much info on where I am, only that I am within a certain  
15 mile radius. whereas the gps (they don't have activated) would allow a  
more specific location detection. am I correct in this?

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"wkearney99" <wkearney99@hotmail.com> wrote in message  
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>> How do I turn off the GPS tracking on our V551's??
>
> GPS doesn't 'track'.  Any cell phone already tracks you and probably more
> accurately than GPS would anyway.  If you don't want your position known
> your only option is to not use a cell phone.
>
 
Agreed accept the accuracy of GPS. It can pinpoint you to within a VERY  
minute are (inches or less). While you can still be located just from using  
the cell, it is much more difficult and not as precise. It requires  
triangulation assuming you are in range of multiple towers.

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"john" <john@invalid.inv> wrote in message  
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> In article <9pqdnWhp8eUYGNHfRVn-ug@speakeasy.net>, wkearney99@hotmail.com
> says...
>> GPS doesn't 'track'.  Any cell phone already tracks you and probably more
>> accurately than GPS would anyway.  If you don't want your position known
>> your only option is to not use a cell phone.
>>
>>
>>
> the only cell phone I use now is from the company I work for and I've
> always wondered about this. it is a nextel network phone. by *position
> known* I guess you mean relative to the nearest tower which in my town
> would probably be a 15 - 30  miles radius. so in reality just the phone
> can't provide too much info on where I am, only that I am within a certain
> 15 mile radius. whereas the gps (they don't have activated) would allow a
> more specific location detection. am I correct in this?
 
If you are within range of multiple towers, a more precise location can be  
calculated. Even with just two towers, an eliptical range can be formed.  
But, you are correct that GPS is much more specific. GPS is almost scary  
accurate on positioning.

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Dick wrote:
 
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 23:48:03 -0600, Jer <gdunn@airmail.ten> wrote:
>  
>  
>>>It does have the ability to send your location to the network during
>>>an emergency call.  Indicators on the screen show when your phone is
>>>sending location information.  Page 26 in the manual.  I don't know if
>>>GPS is involved, but somehow it knows where it is.
>>>
>>>Dick
>>
>>The phone itself doesn't do anything extraordinary, it's a radio that  
>>transmits a signal.  But, that signal is used by the cellular system to  
>>extrapolate the location of the transmitter, and only when 911 is  
>>dialed.  The cellular system is calibrated with GPS using pre-tested  
>>transmitters, and the location results are stored for subsequent  
>>comparisons to other transmitters when necessary.
>>
>>http://www.trueposition.com is helpful.
>  
>  
> An interesting site.  Thanks.  It indicates that any phone on the
> Cingular network works with E-911 when it is available.  What then is
> the V551 doing that is different from an ordinary cel phone?  When it
> sends location information to the network a little icon comes on the
> screen.  Is it receiving information from the towers and doing its own
> extrapolation, then sending that back to the towers?  It's obviously
> doing something that a common cel phone can't do.
>  
> Dick
 
 
My understanding from an accomplice... er... ^H^H^H friend that works  
for Cingular, the 551 doesn't do anything different than any other GSM  
phone.  The iconic symbol you're referring to does appear from time to  
time, and for some reason someone decided the 551 display (and maybe  
others) needed an indicator for this.  When powered on, all handsets  
constantly listen to a control signal from whichever cell it's homed on,  
and occasionally the handset thinks that signal is weak.  This  
'self-assisted' homing function is nothing more than the handset  
soliciting assistance from the cellular GSM network to determine if an  
inactive hand-off should be performed, and this occurs more frequently  
when moving around.  If the network honors the request, it then polls  
the handset for signal quality tests (hence the buzzing sound in nearby  
audio equipment) and then a decision is made by the network whether to  
track the handset from a different BTS or not.  The whole point of all  
this is an attempt to maintain a good connection in a radio network, and  
there's nothing nefarious about it.
 
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Taking a moment's reflection, Dick mused:
|
| It's obviously doing something that a common cel phone can't do.
 
    What makes you say this?  The V551 is a common cell phone.

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On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:57:34 GMT, "mhicaoidh"
<®êmõvé_mhic_aoidh@hotÑîXmailŠPäM.com> wrote:
 
>Taking a moment's reflection, Dick mused:
>|
>| It's obviously doing something that a common cel phone can't do.
>
>    What makes you say this?  The V551 is a common cell phone.  
>
 
There is a section in the manual called, "Location Indicator."  It
states that, "Your phone may be able to send location information to
the network during an emergency.  Indicators show when your phone is
sending location information."  This appears to be a unique screen
icon not used for any other purpose.  It looks like a little satellite
antenna.  I was not aware that all cel phones had this capability.
Others have pointed out how the E-911 system works between towers, but
this phone specifically states that it SENDS location information to
the network.  That's what led me to believe that the V551 had GPS
capability.  Apparently, it does not.
 
Dick

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"...specifically states that it SENDS location information to the network."
 
NO IT DOESN'T!
 
"Dick" <LeadWinger> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:57:34 GMT, "mhicaoidh"
> <®êmõvé_mhic_aoidh@hotÑîXmailSPäM.com> wrote:
>
> >Taking a moment's reflection, Dick mused:
> >|
> >| It's obviously doing something that a common cel phone can't do.
> >
> >    What makes you say this?  The V551 is a common cell phone.
> >
>
> There is a section in the manual called, "Location Indicator."  It
> states that, "Your phone may be able to send location information to
> the network during an emergency.  Indicators show when your phone is
> sending location information."  This appears to be a unique screen
> icon not used for any other purpose.  It looks like a little satellite
> antenna.  I was not aware that all cel phones had this capability.
> Others have pointed out how the E-911 system works between towers, but
> this phone specifically states that it SENDS location information to
> the network.  That's what led me to believe that the V551 had GPS
> capability.  Apparently, it does not.
>
> Dick

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What I wrote in my quote was an EXACT QUOTATION out of the V551
manual.  Maybe you have a different manual.  Are you quibbling over
the word "may?"
 
 
On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:22:11 -0400, "Craven Morehead"
<cmorehead@hotmail.com> wrote:
 
>"...specifically states that it SENDS location information to the network."
>
>NO IT DOESN'T!
>
>"Dick" <LeadWinger> wrote in message
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>> On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 17:57:34 GMT, "mhicaoidh"
>> <®êmõvé_mhic_aoidh@hotÑîXmailSPäM.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Taking a moment's reflection, Dick mused:
>> >|
>> >| It's obviously doing something that a common cel phone can't do.
>> >
>> >    What makes you say this?  The V551 is a common cell phone.
>> >
>>
>> There is a section in the manual called, "Location Indicator."  It
>> states that, "Your phone may be able to send location information to
>> the network during an emergency.  Indicators show when your phone is
>> sending location information."  This appears to be a unique screen
>> icon not used for any other purpose.  It looks like a little satellite
>> antenna.  I was not aware that all cel phones had this capability.
>> Others have pointed out how the E-911 system works between towers, but
>> this phone specifically states that it SENDS location information to
>> the network.  That's what led me to believe that the V551 had GPS
>> capability.  Apparently, it does not.
>>
>> Dick
>