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Have I gone crazy or has Tom's hardware lost the way to benchmark????

In COD4 the 8800 GTS sli comes out ontop of every card @ 1280x1024??? Seriously????? When every other benchmark on the internet shows a different story.


The 3870 X2 in CF coming almost at the bottom? I kno its not that powerful of a card, but it can almost match up to 2 8800 Ultras......


Am I wrong? is there something I'm not seeing?

Look at this a 4870 winning against CF 4870s and only gets 80 fps.....while the 8800 Ultra gets 90 and is almost on par

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts [...] 2,770.html


Message edited by L1qu1d on 09-15-2008 at 02:06:24 PM

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Yay new charts finally!!!

 

I dunno, does look odd, maybe just mcuked up some results, odd

 

Im more interested in seeing how good the 8800GT does in SLi at the lower resolutions, as i have an OC version and was thinking of SLi for my next upgrad einstead of purchasing newer cards. The 8800gt is still a great card.


Message edited by tomdrum on 09-15-2008 at 02:11:37 PM
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I wouldn't trust those charts, even if they were my last resort. All the results look like the scores were just pulled out of a hat, just like drawing the smallest straw.


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I'm not suprised about the 8800's. More mature drivers will allow them to be on par with other cards at low resolutions. Move the resolutions up a notch, and you see the newer cards power through.

As for the 3870 X2, those are simmilar to the benchmarks that came out when the 8800's were first released. Heck, I remember a few which had the 3870x2 loosing to a 7800GT...(I was buying a comp at the time, so I did a lot of searching for parts).

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I like the Assassin's Creed bench where single 8800gtx outperforms dual gtx280. :na:


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It doesn't surprise me at all if these charts are based off of this article:

http://www.tomshardware.com/review [...] ,2007.html

That review had to be the worst review ever posted on Toms. They were using a CPU that was not clocked fast enough to feed the cards, so their charts are all over the place :pfff:. They also used old drivers and a questionable power supply. I would look at the charts from some other sites before making any decisions. There are plenty of other sites who have done valid benchmarks on the new cards.

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Yeah the scores do seem all over the place. For Quake Wars at 1680x1050 a 320mb 8800gts beats 8800 ultra sli and 3 way sli. . . Other anamoly looking results too.

Thing about common sense is, it aint so common
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Only good thing I saw was when they said using a 2.93Ghz cpu can cause slow downs


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gamerk316 wrote :

I'm not suprised about the 8800's. More mature drivers will allow them to be on par with other cards at low resolutions. Move the resolutions up a notch, and you see the newer cards power through.

As for the 3870 X2, those are simmilar to the benchmarks that came out when the 8800's were first released. Heck, I remember a few which had the 3870x2 loosing to a 7800GT...(I was buying a comp at the time, so I did a lot of searching for parts).



Driver maturity can't justify the low marks gotten by 2 powerful cards, which only 1 280 GTX can almost double teh 8800 GTS:)

my lord what a bad article....

shortsuff_mt was right on the money with what he said....


Guru3d VGA charts here I come!!!


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Yea, it's too bad Tom's is having such a hard time putting out a decent review lately. The reviews we end up with are either using outdated hardware, old drivers, or are so old by the time they are posted that they are useless. They have been at least a week behind most of the other main review sites.

If they can't put out a review fast enough for it to be relevant, maybe they shouldn't bother. It just confuses people who still think this is a good place for valuable information. It sure isn't like the Toms of a couple years ago.

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definitely not The reviews seem to be done by a random selection of people, and the reviews lost their professional touch.

I said this 100 times, but around when the 9800 XT came out Tom's was a big thing for me, now its mainly the forums and community.


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I agree. I still read some reviews, but by the time they are out I've already read about it in a more professional review somewhere else. I also mainly just come here for the forums. :(

 

Have you also noticed what a joke the system builder marathon has become? I just read it to see what weird, outdated, non-overclocking friendly combinations they put together and which crappy tier 4 PSU they used. I hope not to many people base their own builds off of those.

 

Sorry to take your post off subject. I guess I should start a thread on this topic. I hope I'm not the only one who has noticed it though.


Message edited by shortstuff_mt on 09-16-2008 at 12:42:52 AM
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naw it doesn't matter that article really pissed me off, what a waste of time (Charts). Your better off not updating at all if your going to put conflicting information.

I'm sorry but that just killed Tom's credibility for me. See when i read Guru3D's (and anandtech, there are more just too lazy to explain em) reviews, they explain the settings well, what test they run, and a personal and professional idea/Input about the item being reviewed


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I think they would be better off getting rid of the charts and sticking to what they are doing well which is "best cards for the money /month" - which are almost always good, accurate, current articles. Its rare that they are outdated.

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