I want to hear your opinions folks regarding AMD and their CPU business. I think we don't need to prove wether AMD's CPU is better than intel's or not, the only thing we need to discuss is, how is AMD going to compete with intel again? because at this rate, they will be left behind by intel. Not only slightly behind, but intel may be able to make a 4 years jump in CPU technology.

With Larrabee on the horizon, it looks like they are going toward a revolutionary design, while their current Quad and C2D still dominating the market in sales and performances.

Should AMD give up or they give another try?

edit:Not to let Intel walk alone in the business, but big cxompany with huge budget for R&D and experience should replace AMD in the CPU business, IBM for example... a great company with half millenium experience and huge budget.

Are you insane LOL

yes...just as soon as intel puts in writing that a "budget chip" will never hit a "low" price of over $100 usd....
otherwise, you could be looking at a 150-200 dollar "internet/word" processor.
the OEM's would never have it....without competition (as history shows), the OEM's have to depend on a sole provider, and should said soul provider fail to execute in any way, it makes the OEM's unstable.
seriously, this is going to be a "discussion"? perhaps you should title it "should AMD give up on HIGH END cpu", since thats the only segment they're failing to compete in. even the most vehement intel fanboi can tell you that...
no AMD cpu's = price fixing beyond your wildest imaginations. remember that...

It goes both ways with the pricing. Intel keeps AMD in check while AMD keeps Intel in check.

I don't think AMD should give up. They have a great product but their management is what is broken.

If Dirk is what people say he is he should be able t better manage the company BUT with the Board being one of the biggest factors in AMD and Hector still there I feel it may be harder than it should be.

I am an Intel Fan.

HELL NO. We need AMD to keep Intel honest.

Not to let Intel walk alone in the business, but big cxompany with huge budget for R&D and experience should replace AMD in the CPU business, IBM for example... a great company with half millenium experience and huge budget.

QFT

Do these people not get that a world without AMD= Obscene Prices?

They shouldnt give up because intel would just become slouchy, there prices would become high and their technology wouldnt advance as much due to lack of competition. Although I don't see how AMD make any money in the cpu market, especialy of late, as no one would buy an AMD processor over an Intel one if they knew remotely what they were doing; Intel beats AMD in both performance and value.

There is a problem with simply passing the torch over to IBM or another large company. The x86 licensing.

AMD is our only hope (VIA doesn't count). Worst case scenario they will just fall back into the budget region or find a niche market.

i think we will find out once Deneb is out if they should quit....

thank you, everyone...
you've echoed my sentiments far more elegantly than i could hope to, and i appreciate that all true enthusiasts, no matter their preference or allegiance, can agree that an intel core-manufacturer/developerSOLO is an obvious step in the wrong direction for everybody involved...not the least of whom is the consumers...us!
really....don't we have better things to "discuss"?

i guess amd should buy more intel technolgy? licence more

I think AMD should give up unless they come out with a Dual processor Deneb system to compete with Intel's high end 3.2 Ghz Nehalem (Core i7).Plus I think they should come out with an Dual CPU AMD brand motherboard to match it (Motherboard support for their current Phenoms has been very confusing to many).Otherwise they will be left behind and will be losing more money which they cannot afford to do right now.

i smell sarcasm smoke, but there is some fire in the words you speak...

4870x2 is largely regarded as having taken the performance crown for single card gpu....perhaps a dual-deneb "octa-father" setup could benefit from lessons learned and be engineered to throw challenge to nehalem...

i'm not gonna stop calling it "nehalem" until "i7" stops looking totally lame and "i wish i were an apple"-ish. really....emulating the marketing "strategy" of a company who thrives on the "youth market" (the people who are environmentally conscientious) while posting constantly the worst environmental record of any tech company in existance (this includes companies under china's...AHEM...strict...environmental restrictions)...
i understand the marketing ploy at hand, really....i just think it smacks of old-school cronieism and a total disrespect for the intelligence of the "core-audience"...

i've left my soapbox behind...anyone want it?

No way should AMD quit. But they do need to get a better processor out and Shanghai is supposed to be that. As it is, the latest in the Barcelona series chips aren't all that bad, though they eat a lot of power. The latest Phenoms, coupled with a SB750 chipset are overclocking fairly well. They're just very hungry when it comes to power.

It needs to be remembered that the vast majority of AMD's business does not come from computer enthusiasts, but from businesses, big businesses. This is where AMD needs to concentrate. Forget whether or not a CPU can achieve a high overclock. Build a CPU that can do a lot of things and not use a lot of power doing it. Then if it runs fast enough and maybe overclocks a bit as well for the enthusiast crowd, good. But don't try to compete with Intel in the "who can go the fastest' game.