http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=292315

Excellent. Even one single 4870 can outperform some of nVidia's best guns.
It would be better if it can play with AA on.

God I hope these are true.

I've been reading from the Nvidia fanboys about how the 4870 won't get near the new GTX cards. Either of them. If these pictures are true, then the 4870 looks to be the GTX 260s "equal" with only the GTX 280 to look up to. Considering that the 260 is slower, and costs more, calling it the equal to the 4870 is wrong.

Again, assuming these are not photoshopped. The thing I don't get is why AMD didn't announce these gains earlier. I thought they claimed that the 4870 was going to go up against the 8800GTS, while the 4850 was going to compete with the 8800GT. Instead, the 4850 is going up against the 9800GTX, and the 4870 is looking to take out the GTX260.

After the debacle of the 2900, it seems fitting to go conservative. Im not so sure these are on the money, but if they are, itll sure be IN the money for ATI

@4745454b: ok maybe maybe. the AMD people's strategy was to downsize their product. and the moment the benchmarks come out. boom, you got a winner. not against what they claimed they are trying to compete. but against the ones which are stronger.
after all, if their produce failed to go against the 9800GTX, an GTX260. they still can say, we said our products will go against the 8800GT and 8800GTS and it did infact do that.

it is like, they down hyped it. made a safety net in case of failure of their product. and then they won it by defeating the higher guns of nvidia which werent supposed to defeat.

hope my language and thoughts are understood.

Nvidia still has the most powerful setup, even if it costs them alot more to make it. As stupid as it sounds, people will buy 2 or more GTX280s.

Yeah but those are the same people who do not have any concept of value, or more like they were never taught the value of "value", you know people with more money than sense...

4870 fits the bill for my 22inch samsung LCD @ 1680x1050 and since I've got an X48 chipset I'll be able to pop in another 4870 later after a few price drops.

Hmmm... these results are from amd??? and not even official..., so take them so... Nvidia says that 9800GTX+ is 22% faster than 4850, and now ATI says that sigle 4870 as fast as 9800GX2...??? Well there definitely is some bias with both companies announses.
The truth is still out there somewhere, but not in these two "official" benshmarks...

nvidea fanboys cant seem to take the fact that nvidea lost this round. get over it

for those of you whos really earger in knowing the price point, heres a little teaser for ya
(few competitive firms in Aus have the GTX 260 and HD4870 on sale since last week)
*all currency in AUD*
Gainward GTX260 575Mhz 896Mb PCI-E ~$459.00
Powercolor HD4870 512Mb DDR5 PCI-E ~$399.00
also note:
XFX GTX280 600Mhz 1Gb PCI-E ~$799.00
Powercolor, HIS, Sapphire HD4850 625Mhz 512Mb PCI-E ~$229.00

Competitive firms in Aus? Where?! Oh MSY, right.

AMD takes so much flax for pre-release FUD that they probably decided to just let the numbers speak for themselves. We will know for sure next week, but if the 4870 scales up in performance from the 4850, then it looks good.

The 4870x2 looks even better. No need for me to upgrade from the 3870x2 right now, as that does well vs. the GTX series. I never expected my card to be in second or third place in benchmarks vs. the GTX280. In some the 9800gx2 wins, in others, the GTX280, but the 3870x2 isn't far behind and is well ahead of other last gen Nvidia cards.

Now, if AMD can make this kind of comeback with Deneb at the holiday season, then I'll be even happier! Deneb doesn't have to beat Nehalem, it just needs to be competitive at my price range vs. a Penryn.

Yes and, as stupid as it sounds, people will buy more than one 4870x2. Two of those should beat the GTX280 in triple SLI -- especially as CrossfireX matures.

By then the GTX280 should be cheaper too. I doubt it will stay at its current price for long. But as I've said before, why not rip off the consumer when you have a monopoly in the high end? AMD hasn't released a competitor yet, they've only shown us graphs.

Whats with the performance of the 9800gx2 in those graphs....? seems a little low considering that it beats the gtx280??

Makes me think that something maybe fake..