I have heard that AMD and ATI is going to blow Intel and Nvidia away with there new AM3 technology. i know that most of you probally know this but i need specs on this. i know that ATI just realease a new GPU that blow the new 9800 GTX's out of the water. how will the new AM3 technology work out?

AM3 technology = AM2 with DDR3. Personally I wouldn't expect much from the AM3 socket. When socket 939 was abandoned in favor of the AM2, there were very little performance gain. I would expect AM3 to be the same.

The newer 4800 series is another story though. I think its a great comeback for ATi (or AMD), and it will definitely help AMD in the long run.

yeah.i heard that they benchmarked it at 25000 on the new AM3 with 3DMark06. they also ran crisis at a splitting 55 FPS.

Lets wait and see !!! Wait until the hype, and photo shopped rumors fade a bit more.

@yoma: i laughed a bit, nice sig.

I can definitely tell you, either its a fake, or they ran GTX280 Tri-SLied @ 1600 x 1200.

I dont think ati can keep amd as a whole afloat. Their stocks hit record lows

Well the 4870 did run Crysis at 55FPS @ 1600x1200 with all settings at high (except shaders at very high) and 4xAA no AF but that was with an Intel system not AM3.

The main benefit is DDR3 and a boost to the HTT links but those will more than likely benefit the server arena not the desktop arena much like HTT 2.0 has not show a direct benefit to the desktop market yet.

And just one more thing, by the time AM3 hits Nehalem will be out so it will have a bit more than just a FSB chip to compete against.

hehe that makes me a happy b/c i am a die hard Intel supporter i just need to figure out wat all the hype is about on this.

unless AMD recesses into a smaller VIA like company. Without a fab? maybe... TSMC

Even as a die hard intel supporter, you should hope that AMD stays competitive. Competition is what keeps Intel innovating and keeps the prices low on awesome midrange stuff like the E8xxx series and the cheaper quads.

#1 - NVIDIA's 280GPU is the single fastest GPU on the market right now, ATI is not "Blowing NVIDIA" out of the water. However, from a Price/Performance ration, NVIDIA needs to seriously lower their prices which they are doing. This will help ATI because that will limit the research dollars that NVIDIA has.

#2 - AM3 will do very little for AMD in general until memory becomes a constraint. At this point, AMDs memory controller is faster/better than Intel's but Intel still pretty much destroy's Intel because memory is not the limiting factor. Improving a non-bottleneck area will not help. They actually need to improve their CPU which they will not be doing seriously for quite a few years. They will be adding some cache and going to the 45nm process, but that will only get them so far. And that is likely not even where Intel is now, which is not where Intel will be by the time Q4 comes around.

#3 - Yes, Even Intel Fan boys want AMD to be competitive. And if I were to recommend a system today, it would by with an Intel CPU and AMD GPU.

zen, I will wait to see what happens. If anything the 4870 OC edition looks interesting. From a stock 750MHz to 950MHz GPU (200MHz jump or 27%) and from 3.6GHz memory to 4.8GHz memory (1.2GHz jump or 33%).

If anything that could be a killer in performance really. I can't wait to see what it could do and might have to pick one up. Might hurt NVidias bottom line more than we think.

#1 - NVIDIA's 280GPU is the single fastest GPU on the market right now, ATI is not "Blowing NVIDIA" out of the water. However, from a Price/Performance ration, NVIDIA needs to seriously lower their prices which they are doing. This will help ATI because that will limit the research dollars that NVIDIA has.

i know you said "fastest GPU on the market right now" but ati is DEFINITELY going to blow nvidia clear out of the market if they don't drop the price of the 280 to under $300.

4870X2 beats or matches GTX280 SLI
$550 is waaaaaaay cheaper than $920 ($460 per card)
(benchmarks are out that back this up)

even if AM3 is better nehalem is gonna blow it out of the water. I agree nvisia has the single fastest GPU out now but the 4870X2 might destoy the GTX280 or nvidia needs to make a new faster card soon

Oh, I definitely think NVIDIA's bottom line is going to be hurting.
And Yes, ATI may be able to get out some cards that OC well and really hurt NVIDIA.

However, they are not going to be easy to do and I read somewhere these cards are going to have built-in Water Cooling.

They will not be cheap.

I really think ATI is hitting the mark better than NVIDIA right now.
I would really be hard pressed to recommend an NVIDIA solution right now near the higher portion of the market.

#1 = I think Intel's CPUs are the best so I would start there.
#2 = I prefer Intel's Chipsets to NVIDIAs and Intel would require the use of CF instead of SLI.
#3 = AMD is clearly the Price/Performance winner and they have good performance. Especially with the 4870x2.
#4 = ATI is more "Future Proof". ATI currently supports DX10.1 vs DX10 for NVIDIA. As soon as NVIDIA released DX 10.1 cards, I think you will see more games supporting DX10. I suspect the lack of proper DX10 support now is "political". Game companies don't want to make their games look far better on one GPU than another. I think NVIDIA is applying pressure to keep DX10.1 support limited for the time being. This means that by this time next year, the 3870 will start to beat the GTX280 in games it is now losing in.