Hey guys I currently have a 4600X2 socket 939 and an x1950 pro. I usually play games at 1280x1024 as that's my VX922's native resolution. Now I've been looking for a new gpu as this one doesn't deliver a fluid experience in all the current games. Do you think the 3870 will lead to me upgrading again within the next 6 months and that therefore I should go for the 8800GT, i'm tempted by the 3870 as it's £130 with an OC

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/1395 [...] e=extended

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http://www.ebuyer.com/product/140089

The other option would be to change over to an AM2 or Core 2 system but I think the speed difference would be less than that of the new GPU as my system still has some juice left in it. I also considered selling my current chip as it's like the second fastest 939 chip that you can fit into a board so I could probably get around £70 for it which would make a new upgrade a lot more worthwhile, what do you think?

3870 seems to be a 10-15% slower but 20-25% slower with AA.

Either card should give you much better experience.

3870 should be twice as fast if not faster than your current 1950pro.

As for future proofing? I think 8800gt might be better choice only when texturing is an issue other wise they are pretty much equal with everything else.

Cheers, Yeah I just don't want to be upgrading again in another 6 months, want it to last at least another 12. I got the 1950 when the 2600xt's and 8600gts were out as it was a bit faster in then current gen games but now I'm left upgrading again as it doesn't cut the mustard. Damn Nvidia and ATI's rubbish mid range 6 months ago.
I'm just not sure that's the problem, financially I can afford both cards but I guess only time will tell how well they age. 3870 delivers slightly more fps for your buck and I think is generally better than the 9600GT so maybe I'll go for that.

I would go with the 9600GT. Its cheap and at that res you can crank up the AA and AF with less of a performence hit than with the ATI card. If you dont mind spending a bit more go for the 8800GT.

I'd say it's between the 9600GT and 8800GT. As blackened said, if you want to spend the extra pennies, go for the 8800GT, it is a very nice card.

that 3870 has gddr3 not gddr4 so to my opinion its a overclocked 3850.
this 1 is gddr4 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/139615 and its cheaper at £120. if u plan to xfire or sli in the future get the 3870 as u can xfire that with the 4870 i think. If u dont sli get the 8800gt. But if u can wait and only want to buy 1 card then overclock the hell out of the 1950 till its dead (for a performance boost) and wait till the new seires of cards come out(not the 9 series.) Poo! stuff is too expensive in UK im here for only 12 days and im not buying crap. £180 for a nintendo wii?!? (can be had in US for around £130)

I can't find a decent fanless / custom fan design for the 9600GT tho. Where as the gigabyte models of both the 3870 and 8800 feature better cooling and a zalman fan attachment. Wouldn't the 9600GT be less powerful than the 3870 overall?

How about an 8800GT with alternate cooling for under £120?

http://www.aria.co.uk/SuperSpecial [...] ctId=29148

I have one of these runs under 60 degrees under load

I've seen the benchmarks for the GDDR 3 variant and it makes little to no difference as they've overclocked it anyway.

http://www.cpu3d.com/index.php?opt [...] 53&limit=1

I think i'm tempted by the 8800gt really, there are cheaper ones available but the cooling system on that gigabyte one is great, 55 at load or something. SLi is a con for 1280x1024 gaming, not gonna make any difference especially with my slower chip.

Yeah I guess I'll get the gigabyte one, the advantage there is that without the massive cooler it's also a lot shorter so should improve the general air flow in my case. Cheers for the help guys.

You might be upgrading faster with a 9600gt with only 64SP. Sure it performs very good with AA now because it has same rop and memory bandwidth as 8800gt but don't be too sure. 3870 is a superior card and enough shader performance rivaling 8800gt. However 8800gt is the best deal or go for the next best thing if you don't want to spend as much. Which is 3870.

Lately shader count have been doubling up and tripling up within games that have released within the last year. Fallout is supposed to be out this fall raising up shader count which would limit cards with weak shader. 9600gt performs good with AA but it's the weakest shader performing card in it's price range. Cards like 7900gtx perform not much better than 8600gt because of these shader intensive games released last year.

Yeah I agree that the paper credentials the 3870 seems to be as fast as the 8800GT but I haven't been that happy with the 1950 pro's peformance whereas I was very happy with previous Nvidia Cards I had, excepting the ti4600 (bloody dx 9 fiasco).
But as Nvidia has more of a developer share atm, I reckon I'll go with the 8800GT as even Valve who really got in bed with ATI have switched to Nvidia plus my budget was around 150 so the gigabyte 8800GT is only a fiver more than that and you'd usually pay that in shipping.
So I shall go for the 8800GT I think, I'd really like them both to test out but you can't have it all eh.

Yeah 8800gt has all the things missing from 9600gt and 8800gs. It really is the sweetspot if you have 20-22" monitor. 8800gt for $155? Where?

I have a 19 inch but that's why I figure it will last a bit longer for me.

If you are only on a 19" save some money and go with a EVGA 8800gs for $110 after rebate. It has enough shader once overclocked it can easily peform like 8800gt stock speeds. Maybe not with AA performance but easily in raw performance which is without AA. You can max out any game and run Crysis @ high settings nearly 40fps at the standard 19" LCD resolution. In the end it's your money and how much you value your gaming performance.

I've been using 8x CSAA and TRMS AA on games like Battlefield 2 and Half Life 2 and getting 90fps average. Any other modern games I stick 4xAA and run at max settings. When shader intensive games arrive it is only 16SP less than 8800gt. Once overclocked however it can easily match shader performance of stock 8800gt.