Hey there fellow forum junkies!

Im currently undergoing my first computer build from scratch and ive been researching all the necessary components related to doing so. Im an avid gamer that runs all genres of games from shooters to mmorpgs, im comfortable with this whole process however i am caught in a dilemma...

I want to build a mid-high range gaming computer that can satisfy all my gaming needs, multitasking is common when im on a computer and ive been haunted by choosing between the intel and AMD processors. Money is not so much of an option for me but i dont want to pay a considerable amount more for a processor that will ultimately yield a small increase in performance.

Im sure whatever i choose will blow my packaged Dell xps gen 2 out of the water, but i would appreciate some direction in the choice of the intel or amd chips.

Thanks!

q6600 is a favorite since they dropped the prices. get anything better than the stock cooler, and you are just a few bios tweaks away from having a 3.2gHz monster under the hood. It will handle just about any GPU configuration you throw at, just in case you were thinking of blowing the savings on the CPU on SLI.

What is your budget?Tell me and I'll hook you up.

Intel would be the better choice

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_ [...] &chart=435

go with a dual core or quad core

My budget (although not limited to) is generally around 1500$ but this doesnt include a monitor as i have recently bought a wide screen monitor a few months back... Im more aiming towards the intel side of the spectrum however i dont think i really need the quad core cpu as i dont think i will be utilizing it fully before a better upgrade comes along.

Although i like to have high resolutions and higher than normal graphics settings, an SLI setup isnt necessarily needed for my gaming needs. I do know i want to go with the Nvidia Geforce 8800 GTS graphics card as i hear only great things about it.

Memory is so cheap that i will probably end up plugging in 4gigs with the 64bit vista OS, so thats not really an issue. Where my *newbieness* comes in is the compatibility of the rest of my system with things like the PSU requirements and what type of MOBO is going to best suit my needs while allowing a path for upgrading in the future.

Thanks again!

Oh i forgot to ask something...

As i am still new to the build-your-own scene i may ask some stupid questions but you at the very least ill at least get a stupid answer right? haha... having said that....

I have noticed in my research that many builds incorporate 2 HD's, one with a very fast spindle speed (like a raptor ~10000rpm) with a low capacity for OS, and a high capacity slower speed HD for storage. Would you enthusiasts recommend a similar setup and how would i configure this faster drive if yes... im imagining by installing the OS on this HD obviously but moreso my question would relate to applications such as games or media playing software.

Thanks

How about this, should be around $1500:
Abit IP 35 Pro
8800 GT or GST 512
Seagate 500 or 750 GB HD
Q6600
(2 x 2GB) DDR2 800
PC P & C Silencer 610
Zigmatek HDT-S1283 CPU Cooler
Lite On 20X DVD RW Sata
Vista 64 Ultimate
Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 Speakers

The only stupid question is the one you don't ask!
I haven't done a build with more than one HD, I'm sure someone else will chime in on that, but yes that is the basic principle

For gaming usage, get the best vga card that you feel comfortable buying. CPU is much less important. The 8800GTS-512-G92 (NOT 8800GTS-640) is a very good single card. I would get an EVGA card on the off chance that you might want to use their 90 day upgrade option.

For multi tasking, you will want lots of memory. 4gb at least, and why not 8gb since ddr2 memory is so cheap these days.

For gaming, I would normally suggest the E8400 which is a nice cool 45nm part. However, with multitasking, I think a quad would be better. The Q6600 has been a good buy for some time, but the new 45nm cpus are starting to show up. They are about 10% faster, clock for clock. Look at the Q9300 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115040

How much hard drive storage do you need? My simple solution is to start with a 150gb raptor, and add a second drive when you need more space.

The raptors are the fastest around excepting ssd's, but they are somewhat pricey. If your multitasking involves something like file processing, it might be best to get several smaller drives so that the input is on one, and the output is on another.

I think, though, start with one drive. It is easy to add more later when you figure out what your usage demands.

---good luck---

^ Instead of the Raptor get a 7200.11 HDD, they are as almost as fast as a Raptor but with better space.

Thanks for all the great information! I need quite a bit of storage but i was considering getting a second portable HD to store my mass media things. Here is my stupid question for this post: I realize that the difference between the duel and quad core cpus is the amount of cores available etc etc, but would a dual core OC'd to say 4.0 ghz be faster than a quad core OC'd to a slightly slower speed like 3.5ghz (for instance)? Or only at light loads on the cpu and when there is a large load on the cpu, the quad would work better because it has more headroom for multiple processes? Im considering the Q6600 now but i had a question... i only plan some slight overclocking since it will be a first for me but i wanted to know how this will affect my cpu heat-wise if i dont have the 45nm type chip such as the Q9300 previously mentioned. Im looking at the thermalright IFX14 as with the seperate scytheSY1225SL12M fan as shown in tomshardware.com's Cooler charts 2008 part 1 http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/0 [...] page8.html

Also, from what i have been reading the motherboard is such an important decision that i would like a little bit of an explanation as to what i should be looking for in one. Should i bother with an SLI board for future upgrading? Should i be taking into consideration the configuration of the board (like location of the pci slots etc?)? I definetely wouldnt want to make a wrong decision about this.

Finally, in the beginning of this 'project' of mine, i thought getting a case would be the easiest step of the whole process but now im having nightmares about whether or not i will have the space in the box i need to incorporate all the parts and possibly future parts, while still allowing for a cool and quiet design. Antec's p182 case seems to fit the bill but i would like a 'professional' opinion before i go ordering stuff.

You have all been great so far im gaining alot of invaluble knowledge towards building my first custom pc, thanks!

re. dual vs. quad:
A duo will run cooler, and can overclock higher than a similar tech quad. If you are cpu bound, and do not run many concurrent tasks, then a duo is better. For games, there are very few games that will make good use of more than two cores. I do not see this changing for a few years. At that time, nehalem will be upon us, and this discussion will be obsolete. For that reason, I would take the higher clock speed of a duo for gaming today. If your game is flight simulator X, then a quad is better, because it is very cpu intensive, and uses many cores.

Overclocking:
Realisticly, at the level of a E8400 or Q6600, either will suffice for most of us. The vga card will be the limiting factor for games.
This forum is populated by enthusiasts who are into overclocking for it's own sake. Yes, you can run the cpu faster, but at some cost. First of all, you void your cpu warranty. You will reduce the life of your cpu, particularly if you overclock to the highest levels. It will cost you a bit more for better cooling, memory, and mobo. For most tasks, the added cpu power will not make a difference, the hard drive or vga card will be the limiting factor. If you are into folding or some other such activity, then the added cpu power is well used. My suggestion is to not plan on much overclocking, if any. See how your system runs, and later see how much a mild overclock helps whatever you are doing.

Motherboard:
What is the best performing C2D motherboard?

The answer is that they are all virtually the same if using the same processor.
If you read all of the reviews, there will be comparison charts from many different benchmarks.
The results will be within 1-2% of each other. This is particularly true for the application
benchmarks like games, or video encoding. Even across chipsets(X38,P35,P965) this is true.
For the synthetic tests like memory bandwidth, there might be more differentiation, but this
is of interest mainly to those looking for bragging level overclocks.
The buying decision then, has to be made on the basis of features that you want
like firewire, raid(not recommended by me), SLI(also not recommended by me), # of pci-E slots, # of usb ports, E-sata, # of sata ports, IDE support, ...etc.
Many of these boards will support penryn and fsb1333 processors. Check the mobo specs.
There currently is no value in DDR3 as compared to DDR2, and the latter is MUCH less expensive.
Only if you think that you might want a vga card faster than the 9800GX2 today would I consider a SLI board.
I would suggest a P35 based board, primarily because they have been out for a while, and the bios'es are now mature. A starting suggestion is the Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3R http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128086 Only if you want bragging level overclocks would I go with a X48 board. If you will have any add-in cards such as a tuner card or sound card(not initially recommended by me) the mobo should have the slots to accomodate them. Just look at the pictures on newegg to see what you will get.

CPU cooler:
The thermalright IFX14 is crazy, but I like it. With a good fan, you can keep your cpu cool with a low fan speed, thus keeping your system quiet. There are others out there, that will do almost as good a job and cost less. The best coolers are large, and often require a back plate to mount. Some mobo's like the gigabyte GA-X48-DQ6 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813128331 have a cooling backplate that must be removed to install something liks a IFX14. I would prefer avoiding that situation.

Case:
Almost any ATX mid-tower or larger will do the job. There is hardly a case out there that won't hold a DVD burner, 3.5 multi card reader, 2 or 3 hard drives, and a normal sized vga card. If you need more than that, then check out the case specs. Look for a case that is visually appealing to you.
I like in a case:
Is not larger than necessary.
Quiet.
Decent airflow. At least 120mm fan in back , and similar capacity in front.
Washable intake filters.
I do not like front doors, They make inserting dvd's a more fussy operation.
I am not a fan of lights and "bling"
The P182 is a great case on all those counts. There is a front door, but it is designed so it folds completely open if you want.

---good luck---

Thanks for answering that for me

So far this is the build i have in my mind:

CPU-Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115037

Mobo-ABIT IP35 Pro LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813127030

*too big? smaller options?* Cooling - Thermalright IFX14
http://www.thermalright.com/new_a_ [...] VzaWFzdA==
paired with the Scythe SY1225SL12M fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] Y1225SL12M

Case-Antec P182 Gun Metal Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] tec%2bp182

Graphics-EVGA 512-P3-N841-AR GeForce 8800GTS (G92) 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130325

HDD - Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 1.5Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822136012
(possibly get a portable HD for storage and backups)

RAM - ??? 8gb of probably 4 x2gb DDR2, can anyone suggest a brand?

Sound Card - Creative 70SB046A00000 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCI Interface Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6829102005
(7.1 sound system coming after computer, already have a 5.1 great system)

PSU - Have no idea, can someone point me in the right direction, i know i shouldnt be skimping out on this.

Monitors - Have 2 dont need any

Writers/Media - LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe