http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu [...] amd-phenom
 
Both top end quads overclocked to the max - with their optimum setups. Not good . . .

So Intel is almost twice as fast when overclocked...

nothing new here

AMD will never see the #1 spot again.Who cares if Intels best cost $1000...the fact still is that Intel is #1 and always will be.Even in the Presscott days,Intel still outsold AMD.

 
I guess you have a crystal ball that can tell you the future

 
i certainly hope not.

you dont need a crystal ball,AMD's mismanagement has sealed their doom.AMD is nothing but cpu's for the less fortunate consumer,if they are not careful VIA will sneak up and best them,then AMD will be last in the cpu maker chain.

I am a pretty hopeful guy. On this, not so hopeful.
 
My only tactic now is to keep this system until I absolutely need a new computer, then HOPE that I could get something decent out of AMD again. If not, well...
 
My only problem is video video video, EVERYONE encodes/decodes TONS of video these days, so Intel has most people switching from AMD due to much better performance.
 
I mean, AMD isn't even ballpark anymore.

DELETED. AMD had the number 1 spot? sales aren't everything you know. back in the days of the allmighty Athlon 64, they killed any intel offering. The continue to innovate and bring new ideas. Intel have taken the lead and i have no doubt that AMD will reclaim it somewhere down the line. maybe not anytime soon. but they will.
 
the problem is, if amd goes bust, not only do we lose a competitor, driving chip prices higher, but there goes your good budget graphics cards too because Ati will go with them. What they need to do is focus on grabbing back some ground (aiming for the midrange market is a start) and get back on their feet... if they don't we're all screwed.
 
the amd fanboys, the intel fanboys and the informed buyers

 
Desperately clinging to past glories isn't going to help AMD going forward...
 
The harsh reality is that the technological gap between Intel and AMD is growing, not shrinking. Intel is going full steam ahead whilst AMD battles for survival by drastically cutting their R&D budget for 2008. Bulldozer, the next generation uarch, has completely vanished from their 2009 roadmap. What would AMD have to battle Nehalem? A 45nm K10? Yeah, good luck with that.

To make matters worse, it has been rumored that Nehalem will have twice the FP performance. Now, this is only a rumor, and no additional information has been given. But if this is true, AMD's long held title in FP performance will likely shift again.

 
I thought it had already shifted. SpecFP doesn't count.

 
Does anyone remember the days of 3Dfx?...

Not everyone can afford expensive CPU's, so cheaper components is a good thing.  Powerful CPU's from both Intel and AMD can be purchased at reasonable prices because of the competition.

speedbird has a point.
   
competition makes all of us enthusiasts able to afford something cheap .... and then overclock the hell out of it !!

Competition from AMD is why we have good CPU today. Reminder that AMD was the first to readch the 1GHZ barrier. If AMD had never existed, we would be with a P4 today. Intel was forced to increase the speed and paddle like hell to not loose the race. AMD stayed on top with having the best CPU not so long ago. Today's CPU from Intel was probably only scheduled to be released in a few years.
 
Intel announced that next CPU will be relased later. Why? Because they can and AMD won't have anything to compete with Intel.
 
This is the same story with NVidia and ATI.
 
We need competition.
 
If AMD die, we are doomed! This is both for AMD and ATI.

Double wow.
 
Wow #1 - Intel beats the snot out of AMD's Phantom, I mean, Phenom.
 
Wow #2 - That was a CRAPPY article.  I think a first grader wrote it.

 
Yes, but AMD is forced to sell all their chips for <$300 where there is less profit (or in AMD's case, no profit) to be made.
 
Intel has a wider range of processors for sale that go from the low-end where AMD is to the uber-high end.
 
 
I do agree that competition is good, but AMD needs to be neck and neck with Intel for profitability's sake.  Remember, if AMD does not profit it will not exist.