How about Tom's journalists (I use that term loosely) report on something more useful than Apple bashing? Maybe actually do some detective work and find out more specifics about nVidia's next gen graphics hardware, it’s availability, it’s performance, and of course it’s retail price tag. So far, details have been sketchy at best and nothing solid provided.

It would be refreshing to see Tom’s writers stop going after Apple’s OS X 10.5 (Leopard) – which has already been patched (a few days after release) – and where is the SP1 for Vista again one year later – still in Beta and how many issues does Vista have (about 1000:1)?

I realize that means tom’s writers have to actually do some work (and work with their contacts “inside”) – but I would find nVidia GPU information a lot more interesting than uninformed and biased articles (as of late) about Apple.

So how about it Tom?

What are you planning on gaming on your Mac? C'mon.

Perhaps Ethics? Fear of Lawsuits?

Attempting to obtain and publish NDA material is not the best way to maintain official contacts with companies.

Leopard has BSOD, omg!

Hehe, I'm just messing with you. All jokes aside, the articles about Apple do seem to be really hateful. Like the person writing them has been personally attacked or damaged in some way by Apple. I think it would be better for diplomatic purposes to convey a neutral viewpoint, which could also bring more readers. Just my $0.02. Although, those stupid MAC commercials get on my nerves. If they're so much better, why do they have to tell everyone how much better they are?

Anyways, lets hear about some new GPUs! (Also, I vote that you (Tom's) remove the 8800GTS 320MB and the 8600 GT graphics card from the holiday buyers guide. The 8600 is plain terrible and the 8800GTS is outdated when compared to the 8800GT or the new version of the GTS coming out soon.)

Here's a little tidbit from Xbit:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video [...] ssors.html

I second that...........

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Seriously, I'd rather be the PC, he gets all the funny lines. Mac is just a smug little @$$hole.

+1

And put what in there place?

Don't know what Tom's writers/journalist have against Apple, but I come here to find out about new hardware -- specifically the next gen nVidia card.

I do game on my Mac, but no where near as much as I game on a dedicated gaming PC. My Mac's ATI X1900XT 512MB actually works as good in DX9 titles are my old 2900XT 1GB cards did. But lets not start this thread again as 90% who will jump in don't even know that ATI X1900XT 512MB is even in a MacPro, another 50% will not even know Mac parts are all Intel including the CPU, and 95% will know nothing about "bootcamp" which makes a Mac a PC.

Point being, there are many ways to get information without having to be responsible for NDA's. There is "leaked" information and numerous other investigative means -- let them sue tom's if they like, but it sure would be hard for nVidia to claim any damages from such info (not like there currently is any real competition at the high end).

Some of the Mac commercials are funny, but most are pretty lame. Favorite Mac commercials:

1. Vista Security -- Allow or disallow
2. One with 4 guys looking sick on a computer cart
3. Ask not what Vista can do for you, ask what you can buy for Vista

http://www.apple.com/getamac/ads/

Why do religious people need to go door to door?

I think you'll find the Vista ad campaign considerably more annoying -- WOW! is that it?

Is there any information to be had? I hope Toms stays away from rumor, and stays legit (nda's included) Id love to see Toms get "the" scoop also, but only one or none get that, so lets be realistic here.Sometimes ndas are allowed to be slightly broken by sites, and again Id love to see that happen, but those are rare. Obviously, the next gen of gfx cards are going to be something better/different, and since we know as little about ATI as we do nVidia, I can only come to the conclusion that obviously neither want to tip their prospective hats at this time. Bits will leak with time, tho it seems like maybe 2 months away, so its still too early

+1 for your mac commercial bashing, they are really annoying.
the 8600GT's aren't that bad, as long as they dont go over $120 at most, NO midrange card can play the games that were released at the same time at higher than medium settings and SXGA res.
They do need to remove the GTS though, it's outperformed now.

I'd say the 8800GT & 3870HD take the 8800GTS 320MB place and for the 8600 put the 3850HD. You really can't beat the 3850 when you compare it to the 8800GTS 320MB. The 3850HD costs $150-180 vs. $300-400 for the GTS 320MB, and they are both very close in terms of performance. The 8800GT's & 3870's are still great cards even though their price has been inflated.

Yeah, I guess I was a little harsh saying it was terrible. It's still decent, but there is better now.

Where did you find the 3850 for $150? Link please!

ATI released their 2900 series and it wasn't til Cat 7.11 that the card actually worked reasonably well. Feel sorry for any 3870 owners.

It seems these days, the cards are released with the most primitive of driver support and then next 6-12 months consist of driver updates.

Come on tom's go dig, screw the lawyers.

Here is a thought, Intel to produce a truely competitive GPU? I've said it before, and I'll say it again, why not?

Reasons:
1. ATI/AMD is fighting for the medium to low end
2. nVidia and Intel don't seem to get along with this SLI/Chipset BS
3. Intel's got the fab that nVidia wishes they had
4. Intel could easily ramp up the graphics resources/talent they need to compete (maybe not in 2008, but by 2009)

As a journalist here at Tom's (and I use the term loosely), I think you must not be familiar with something called an 'NDA'... or, de-acronymized, a "Non Disclosure Agreement".

These prevent us from speaking about un-announced hardware if we want to be included in the process of getting info about them and test samples, etc. Of course, there are sites like TheInquirer that don't sign NDAs as a rule, the downside being the information they post is alot closer to speculation that what we do. But they have their place, just like we have ours.


As far as the separate issue you seem to have - 'Apple bashing' - well, I wouldn't personally call it Apple bashing as I see our recent articles as an interesting source of un-biased information about Leopard and Apple's PR policy that results in somewhat draconian forum moderation. You, of course, are welcome to your own interpretation like everybody else, but in the same vein I think we are also entitled to ours.

But that has very little to do with Geforces and NDAs, I reckon.

I must say however, we've published some unfavorable stuff about Vista in the past, and I don't know if I missed it but I don't remember you complaining about our 'Microsoft Bashing'... I mean, that'd be the un-biased thing to do, right?

Sorry, it's 159.99, but here you go - http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspag [...] 4053242019

They had the 3870 for only $214 (which is OUTSTANDING), but they sold out already... lol
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspag [...] 4053242087

They don't have "anything" agains apple, apple just plains suck, from the iPod to the iPhone all the way to iSteve iJobs it sucks, shady bussines model, overpriced underperforming hardware and freaky obnoxious ads it sucks.

BTW, they can't report on new nVidia cards because 1.- Tom's doesn't spread rumors (at least not that much) 2.- if they had any real info nVidia would NDA them to hell just to not let ATI (AMD) now when and where the next punch is coming.

TheInquirer has been correct more times that it has been wrong.

Yes I know NDA's -- don't sign them or negotiate with nVidia (this is done all the time). Can you trust anything on the internet, not really, let the reader decide the quality of source, Tom's just need to report what they find out -- that's what the media is supposed to do.

And Microsoft's PR policy is better than Apples? Didn't see you jumping on Vista's problems that still exist a year after it's release? It's biased reporting which always leads to a money trail (err...leverage) somewhere.