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I am trying to build a computer that will primarily be used to handle unwieldy MS Office applications for work (i.e. 100+ MB spreadsheets with lots of number crunching) along with some document creation (Word to PDF mostly). It will be running Windows XP Pro (I assume I should go ahead and get 64-bit) and Excel 2007. I don't want to go with integrated graphics, because at some point I may decide there is a game that I want to upgrade my graphics card for, so I'd like to have that ability. Price isn't a big concern, but I'd rather stay more in the best value range than on the bleeding edge. Running quietly doesn't trump speed, but should be a consideration. I am willing to overclock.
Message edited by Tertius001 on 09-01-2007 at 06:21:55 PM |
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hi there. For what you say you want to do, you don't really need the Quad Core since Office doesn't support it yet, and if you want to OC you can get something cheaper and overclock it. Maybe something like the E6750. If you have the money, however, you can't go wrong with Q6600.
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Excel 2007 ,Q6600 vs E6860 :
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Yeah, Excel 2007 finally supports multi-core. It seems decent at spreading the workload around, but obviously, depending on the structure of the spreadsheet, it can't always do that. I try to build spreadsheets that lend themselves to parallelism. I was wondering about if I really needed memory clocked to 1066. Would it make it any easier to overclock or am I really going to do just as well with 800?
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For the Memory, you wont even use 800 unless you over clock. RAM runs at the speed of your cpu, since its 1:1 ratio. The Q6600 is 333FSB I believe and ram is double that, so around 666, meaning with 800 you still wont use it to its full potential.
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if i were you i'd just get 800mhz cl4 ram...you dont need 1066 unless you're going for 533mhz fsb! you'd need watercooling or some exotic cooling just to run your PC.
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So maybe try some of this instead?
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If the large amount of number crunching will be on critical data for work, you should reconsider your choice of motherboard (and memory). Specifically, you should choose a motherboard that supports ECC memory. The P35 chipset does not include ECC support, however some of the upcoming X38 boards will fully implement it. If you want to stick with an Intel chipset, there are a few current boards that implement ECC, for example Intel's D975XBX2. If you get an ECC capable motherboard and in the future no longer need to work on critical data, you can always upgrade the memory to faster non-ECC modules and then turn off ECC in the BIOS to eliminate the slight overhead. |
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Is there an article somewhere that would summarize the benefits of using ECC memory over regular memory? Currently, when we occasionally get locked up or crash, we just re-run the data set completely. Does ECC memory primarily concern itself with preventing data corruption? If so, no single piece of data is "mission critical" so to speak, so while foul ups aren't desired, they aren't catastrophic. I don't know enough about ECC memory to know whether it would be worthwhile or not. |
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The primary reason for using ECC memory is indeed to prevent corruption. Specifically, to insure that the number that you save into memory is the same as the number that you later read out of memory. This is of little to no importance in gaming, image editing or word processing because the usual worst case result would be a mis-colored pixel or a spelling error. However, if a number changes in a spreadsheet or financial database, or if a line of programming code develops a spelling error, or if a number changes in a calculation that will determine the size of a beam in a bridge, then the ramifications could be huge. It is rare that data changes lead to system crashes or even system hiccups. In fact, without such an event you likely would never know that data corruption had occurred. Therefore the fundamental question about data corruption is, do you care? If you go back a few decades, the primary reason that Apple was unable to make inroads into business was that the IBM PC and its clones all used parity memory and Apple didn't. MIS managers therefore considered all Apple computers as toys, and relegated them to non-mission critical areas such as advertising. Apple did make one computer for a short while that accepted a proprietary memory card that held the parity bits, but it was unsuccessful. Well into the 1990s, virtually all PC memory modules contained the 9th parity chip, but that began to fall out of favor as PCs were targeted at the home market. For a mixed use PC, the most cost-effective approach to ECC is to use a motherboard designed to work with un-buffered memory. The modules are widely available with only a minimal price penalty reflective of the extra memory chip(s) and lower production volumes. Often such modules are to be found in the "server memory" section of web sites (NewEgg, etc.). As you drill down to find an appropriate module, you will often be given a choice between UN-buffered, FP-DIMM, Registered, etc., the later types being the exclusive domain of servers and workstations. Another area where ECC is used extensively today is in hard drives. As storage densities have increased, read/write error rates have exploded. Without the ECC circuitry built in all current hard drives, they would be unusable. It is not uncommon for there to be tens-of-thousands of "corrected" hard drive errors each day. This isn't a problem unless "un-corrected" errors begin to appear. One final point -- read/write memory errors do not mean defective hardware. To the contrary, all digital components and assemblies have bit-error-rates, including hard drives. ECC is just the most common way to attempt to fix the errors when they occur. Message edited by Tbps on 09-01-2007 at 11:50:12 PM |
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