If it wasn't already enough that the 7month old 8800GTX is beating ATI's new GPU in just about every DX9 application (by a long shot in some games) we are now seeing the same thing happen with the first DX10 demo despite all the talk of the R600 being so much more superior in DX10. To add insult to injury ATI is also losing in the one area that they used to reign supreme-Image Quality


http://www.legitreviews.com/article/505/1/



While I agree that the R600 should get better over time with newer drivers its very very difficult to imagine that driver updates alone could ever close this kind of gap.


Come on ATI! I want you to do good!

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And finally this one you NEED to look at, read it and weep http://it-review.net/index.php?opt [...] mitstart=1 Look at the third one down, sorry for 800 bucks the 2900's win[/quote]

mm I'm not so impresed by those tests

8800GTS 640 vs HD29000XT

Fear: Tie

Far Cry: 8800GTS 640 wins by 14

Oblivion: HD29000XT wins by 3, almost tie

Prey : HD29000XT wins by 4, almost tie

Supreme Commander: 8800GTS 640 wins by 13

X3: 8800GTS 640 wins by 4, almost tie


I just realized that you said 'for 800 bucks' but after writing all this post, so I'm going to post it anyway...

Terrible results for ATI. I do hope drivers will improve the performance. This is just embarrassing.

Although, the card looks nice.

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And finally this one you NEED to look at, read it and weep http://it-review.net/index.php?opt [...] mitstart=1 Look at the third one down, sorry for 800 bucks the 2900's win[/quote]

LOL you are truly the fanboy that I thought you were.

The 8800GTX slaughters the crap out of the 2900XT in nearly every game in those benchies except for in Oblivion when comparing Crossfire to SLI, however in single card form the 8800GTX wins in Oblivion.

I don't see how driver tweaks/optimizations are going to close this gap, or improve image quality that drasticly. What happened to all the "2900 will blow away the gtx in dx10" speculation?

How about you do us all a favor and get yourself banned again because at least then we wouldn't have to listen to you spouting off your bullshit about how whatever you own is the best. Of course the GTX will beat the XT as the XT wasn't even aiming for the GTX but rather the GTS. Also keep in mind ATI's drivers for R600 based parts are very immature right now.

Rob, that wasnt my point. I showed a thread that hit home with YOU. Now I know its a dubious bench, as is this one you showed. We could argue and all that crap, but for what its worth, as time goes by, well know more about the 2900 and its abilitiies. If the 2900 or the 2950 doesnt shine, then Im going to get a 88 or a 89 GTX. Simple as that. Im waiting is all. All this speculation using these benches on a brand new product... I posted on 2 other threads showing the GTX and the GTS increased 10 to over 40% from out new to todays drivers. I expect the same for the 2900. If it goes under 400, and we see the driver improvements I may buy it. Or if its close to release, then go the 2950 route. The bad part about a 400$ card beating a 550$ card at a higher rez isnt good. I know ATI has plenty of issues, but using a sponsored demo by nVidia that ATI hasnt had a chance to optimize (maybe its ATI's fault) isnt the be all nor end all here. A 400$ card vs a 550$ card is a no brainer, but what really woulda been nice? Having the GTS640 go against the 2900, that is of course IF nVidia had time to optimize THEIR drivers for the GTS for this demo

the gtx didnt do too good on it either, remember no eye-candy stuffs were on only default settings. i say forget about ati-amd because they lost already in cpu and video cards.

I dont think this is really going to show us DX10 in its full capacity. I have a feeling that the GTX and the 2900 will both do better in some DX10 games

Well yeah ... why wouldn't it? It costs an extra $200 ....

Well yeah ... why wouldn't it? It costs an extra $200 ....
More like an extra $100 today:
Cheapest GTX $529.99
Cheapest 2900XT $429.99

Well yeah ... why wouldn't it? It costs an extra $200 ....And it only came out 6 months earlier.

I think the benchmark is very misleading however as the screenshots showed the HD 2900XT wasn't rendering it properly. I think with the proper drivers the performance should be similar or better than the 8800GTS.

I removed my earlier post as it referred to the Call of Juarez bench/demo. But this is against the GTX not the GTS vs 2900