Just thought I'd post a quote by Michael Brown, of MaximumPC Magazine.

And for those of you who have seen the benchmarking of XP/DX9 vs Vista/DX10, in the October 2007 issue,
then you will see that Vista has nothing what so ever to offer the end user.
 
XP blew the benchmarks out of the water over Vista, with Vista and DX10 taking about a 50% nose dive in performance.
 
Who in their right mind wants that kind of performance hit ??
 
DO YOU ??
 
I would take MaximumPC as a very good source of information, and if they think Vista sucks, I'm with them !!
 
So all you Vista fans, and anyone that overclocks and claims everything is a bed of roses with false benchmarks,  
I think it's time to wake up and smell the coffee.
 

who said VISTA > XP ?

...you mean besides MS and its affiliated computer resellers?  

yeah, bfg, this is the wrong forum fro a rant, we all hate vista too (in fact once I've seen what crysis looks like in dx10 (in the final build), I'll probably move back myself

Are you kidding me, who doesn't think that on this forum ?
 
Just look at the new builds section, every man and his dog, is going with vista, or a dual boot, in the hope the vista will improve over night.
 
SP1 for vista is not even here, and it ain't going to include ANY features, it's a pure hot-fix/bug update.
 
Half the people on here, fall into the trap in the hope that they can use 4GB of ram or more, to salvage the disaster that is "Vista".
Or preying that a 64bit OS is going to improve CPU usage etc etc.
 
Vista is dead, it just doesn't know it yet !!

 
Hey not really a rant, but as I said, it's a quote from MaximumPC.
 
I'd say it's more of a recommendation, for all those folks looking for the next best graphics card,
and hoping that vista and DX10 is the answer.
And worring about if it supports DX10.1 or DX 11 and god knows what else.
 
Any serious computer user OR gamer, should just get of the Vista train, and call a cab.
 
Better the devil you know, as they say.

I have to disagree you saying the "Vista has nothing what so ever to offer"..    It has one thing to offer me, which is the reason I am now dual-booting XP and Vista..  
 
When i was running just XP I always had problems playing HDDVD or BluRay..  I could get them to work occasionally, usually by loading the video files (.EVO etc..) directly into PowerDVD, but that was definitely hit or miss.    i thought it might have been related to HDCP encoding or something so I even tried downloading a few pirated copies of HDDVD and BluRay but they would not work either..  So one day when, i thought f' it I'll try Vista out..  
 
After I got Vista Ultimate installed I installed Power DVD 7.4, for the first time ever I saw a menu for HDDVD on my PC!   not only did it show me the menu, but it played the movie!  I thought, that has to be some kind of fluke, Vista is supposed to have all kinda of problems..  So I loaded up Tomb Raider on BluRay and it loaded right up and I could actually see the menu and play the movie..  I tried all 6 copies that I own and all 5 that I downloaded trying to get it to work and in XP, and every single one played perfectly in Vista.   I could never do that with XP..   Although Bioshock ran like total crap on Vista and when I treid to hack my HTC Hermes phone it wouldnt work on Vista, so I formatted and put XP back on.
 
Now I am dualbooting so that I can game on XP and watch my HD shizzle in Vista...   But my point is simply that Vista is not totally useless, not for me anyway..  

Gonna have to go with learn2read.

Vista is not recommended by MaximumPC for gaming, but an OS is not just used for gaming. Some people in the real world have to do other things on their computer and Vista offers features that XP does not.

Just because a product is not for you, does not mean it does not have features for other people. Try again...

 
I rest my case, adding a couple of funky new features does not make it a good OS.
 
There have been plenty of operating sytems that have had something to offer, new features and benefits.
Going from Windows 3.11 to win95 to win98 to win XP.
 
But never has an OS like Vista offered so very little and made so many people want to roll back to XP,
with the added feature of it making people want to jump off buildings, just to end it all and make the pain go away.
 
Even the big companies (Dell etc etc) are offering Roll-Back CDs, for anyone wanting to dump Vista and go back to XP.
 
What kind of message does that send.
 
Really, how many of you work for big companies that have taken the leap of faith and moved their entire IT systems to run on Vista ??
Any takers, NO ??
 
Anyway, this was not meant to be a big debate, but advice those people looking for new hardware, or the noobies to system builds, that I think (and MaximumPC think) this is an OS that should be avoided.

I have not experienced any problems with Vista and I'm sure some might try to shot me down in flames for saying this, but I actually prefer Vista to XP....There I've said it  
When benchmarked XP still has the edge in performance for games, but Drivers have come a long way since Vista's release and the performance gap is smaller now. I prefer the more modern looks of the Vista operating system and I find start-up is quicker than XP. XP is still a great operating system, but Vista is not so bad as the hype may have you believe. 'Each to their own' seems like an appropriate statement.

Meh, I got vista with this PC and happy somewhat with it, there are things that piss me off (uac disabled), the downloading thing where it takes 10 min to get a 100kb file copied, aero glass is pretty, but im using classic theme (looks worse than 98 se), my games all run smooth as silk and butter sandwich.  When games start to show slowdowns, ill get xp (i sold it along with my old p4 a couple weeks ago ).

 
 
I prefer my Vista over XP now to. I havn't had a single problem yet. Sure some people may. But none for me.  

 
Are you kidding me ??
 
You call a 50% nose dive in performance - "a small gap" ???
(see MaximumPC October 2007)

Going to also have to go with my new favorite OS, Vista x64.  I dont see what problems people have with it.  Im not here to force anyone to adjust to liking a product.  I think this is a pointless post, people are going to go with what they want.  Who cares what the source is, if you are comfortable with something, you keep it.

bfg72, shoo...
 
50% using what as the measuring tool? If a game is getting 2 frames per second on XP and is only playing at 1 frame per second on Vista, that is also remarked as a 50% performance loss... If you are going to quote crap, you need to give better context. Right now, you are just a bumbling idiot running around screaming "the sky is falling". And I am here to kick you in the nuts.
 
I am glad you cited one example that a user of a forum posted as the definitive reasoning for why XP is better than Vista in all aspects of operation? Get real...
 
Ultimately what is your point here? Thanks, you contributed to the community by making people aware that MaximumPC does not feel Vista is worthwhile to use as an OS for gaming and that perhaps it is better to stick with XP for gaming. For this reason, people dual boot between Vista and XP for gaming. Now, go away... nobody cares about your one sided radical opinion on Vista.

 
+1
Well put

BFG, you are quoting MaximumPC, but did you try and compare yourself? I used XP for many years and now using Vista. I like it more than XP. It recognizes a lot more hardware than XP did, looks better, has additional features and that 50% nose dive in performance you are talking about is BS. Tomshardware did a lot of comparisons. Go read articles from the beginning of this year. Look at real numbers and you will see that the difference was nowhere near 50%. Since than the gap got even smaller. I played Far Cry, Half Life 2 and STALKER on XP and Vista and there was no noticable difference.

1_As Nick said , VISTA recognizes alot more hardware than XP
 
2_Also for now XP>VISTA in gaming ,but MS and NVIDIA are making new drivers and hotifixes for VISTA and they will help it