Just wondering if many people really believe in the big WOW campagne Microsoft started a while ago. Now what questions me is do people who use Vista find themselves using a totally better platform experience because it just looks better or is it more that these people are like....oh Vista=new platform=I have to join the ride like all the othet sheep and say that everything is great because I payed so much money for it....AGAIN.
No, let's just be fair...do YOU really find yourself computing faster/more enhanced/more easy etc by this new MAC OS copied platform (yes it's not original I know) compared to XP atm? Do you really feel more happy not using XP anymore? etc tell me your story and try to leave the big money you payed behind and be fair please(many people who bought expensive hardware for example tend to say it so good while in real reviews it really sucks and make other people make the same mistake without knowing it). thx

ps: for the gamers....if you bought it for DX10....did you also know that WineHQ (A group of Linux programmers) are porting DX10 straight to XP while you are buying it? thx

We think alike.

We think alike...hmmm I dont know about that yet It depends on many factors if we think alike I'm asking some questions here.....So I'd like to know why you think the same.

This sounds like that rant I heard while many of us were just updating from cpm->dos->win 3->win 3.1->os2->nt 4->win95->w2k->win98->me->linux->winxp->win64->vista...

What's your real problem (and be fair please)? If we don't upgrade, how are we ever going to run more than 3.25G of ram?

i dont know yet. I have heard a lot from both sides. My own belief is it is not ready for prime time --- but this could change in the future.

I don't "believe" commercials. I doubt many people do. But, you have to get your product out there and let people know you're offering it.

I'll let you know when I acutally decide to pay for Vista. Yes, I like Aero... and no... I don't "join the ride". My job requires me to know everything I can about Windows OSes... and that means testing them and using them personally; rather than relying on a bunch of opinions posted on a website.

Have heard this many times now, and I still see nothing concrete. I see DirectX10 being emulated in Linux (as with previous versions), but nothing stating that they are working on porting it to Windows XP. (If that is even possible).

DX10 is not being ported to WinXP. That is a rumor that has long been killed off due to the way DX10 is being implemented. The port to Linux is first supposed to occur in more than a year, possibly even longer than that because of hardware considerations. Unless if someone can point to an article stating otherwise, sounds more like wishing than truth.

As far as the OS, your experience will vary with your hardware and apps. People with newer ATI cards have faster fps, people with NVidia are still getting there. People with some ASUS boards are just starting to become stable. Maxtor drives are causing a headache for some Vista users. OpenGL games perform better than DX9 implementation on Vista. There are no "Vista" label games available to compare them to. Things like that makes this issue less about the OS and more about how quickly or how well vendors can change to their environment. For me, my system is far more stable and secure (based on the things I used to be able to do to cause a BSOD in XP). However, my hardware hasn't made anything quicker (which I didn't expect it would).

I don't have Vista yet, until my next system build in a few months. But I'll move to Vista for the same reasons I don't use Win95 anymore.

1- It's the way forward.
2- It will be a more stable and secure platform, and yes I know it will need plenty of patches applied during it's life cycle. All software needs patching so just get over it.
3- I'll have to implement and support Vista at work, so I'll need to use it at home first.
4- DX10 and the wonderful new effects and physics in games beginning this year.
5- I have to "retire" my Athlon 2500+ and X1600 Pro anyway, and it would idiotic to build a new multicore CPU with new gen DX10 card just to run the 6 year old XP Pro OS.
6- Linux will be many years yet, if ever, in making any major inroads in home computing. The major reason is that it is "free". That entire stupid Linux community's "FREE!" mentality means that there will be little support from medium to large software developers. No company that has investors to answer to is going to pour 15 million dollars into a program or game just to give it away for free. Or let the Linux people crack it open and distribute it to everyone worldwide, just "because software wants to be free".

Again a thread from someone that thinks Aero Glass is the only new thing in Vista and that Linux will save the world? Why not try it before you bash it.

Stick with XP, if that makes you happy. Go with Linux if that makes you happy. Redo the whole OSX/Windows ripoff discussion if that makes you happy. But starting these threads without giving it a serious try just makes you look very, very insecure...'But my friends tell me Vista is no good, because their friends tell them it's no good because they read that on some guys blog, so I guess there's no point in even giving it a try is there...anybody??? I'm confused...'

If you think that Linux is more efficient because through emulation and archaic console commands you can maybe play DX10 games 18 months from now, I think you are confused about the meaning of the word 'efficient'...

Let's just be 'fair', and by fair I mean I start my thread in an utterly biased and flame-baiting way.

Do you really think that because Apple says so in their ads, that all 'Mac People' are cool? I am asking because you seem to somehow think that when Microsoft says something in an ad 'we sheep' all believe that in an instance. And I can show you plenty of 'Mac People' I know who are the Antithesis of cool, but Apple can't be wrong can they?

And why would people be paying more for Vista than they have been paying for XP? Last time I checked the OEM's for comparable XP and Vista editions they were priced roughly the same...Oooooh, you mean stupid people paying full retail price for an Ultimate edition to install on their 3 year old computer, wereas they can buy a new PC that will outperform their old for nearly the same price, with Vista preinstalled!

At this point Vista doesn't work on my best fast machine. I wouldn't mind building what essentially I would call a beta machine as long as XP is around to handle the stuff I need to do.

So I have a question: How long do you think XP will be around? I've heard til 2009 but this might have changed. Seems not quite right to have to build an entirely new rig around an OS.

This certainly looks like my thread..."What do YOU have against Vista?"....

I read a Technet interview where they are "mulling over" supporting it until around the 1st quarter of 2009, but charging if people want to re-activate their copies starting in the last quarter of this year. I doubt they would really go that far, but I would have to believe that they will do anything they can to force people over to the new OS like they did between 2000 and 2003.

Charging to reactivate???? Man, I'll be the first person using a pirate version despite having bought the original. M$ always punishes the fool who paid in hard-earned cash.

Till now, nothing makes me use Vista instead of XP. I don't like nVidia drivers, nor my vidcard almost always in power 3d mode. On top of that I can't lower the fan speed...

I can tell you what WILL make me use Vista instead of XP. And that is... Dx10. Right now XP is lots better.

Reasons for using Vista over XP:
* I get it for free because my Dad has a Volume Liscence.
* Flip 3D is cool.
* It looks pretty.
* I like pretty things.
* Pretty things make me smile.
* It has cool sounds.
* I Like cool sounds.
* Cool sounds make me smile and giggle.
* "Ribbons" is a cool screensaver.
* Gadgets are cool and useful.
* Too lazy to switch back to XP (MAIN REASON).
* My hardware is fully supported.
* DX10 when I decide to be buy a Geforce 8.

Reasons for wanting to switch back to XP:
* System and Applications run at half-speed.
* Operating System is constantly using 60% of 2gb Ram when idle.
* Don't understand why Vista must put 256mb of asside for graphics card when the graphics card has 512mb Ram.
* Vista seems to use a lot more resources considering it's pretty much a skin.
* Vista is always cold because it keeps freezing.
* 64-bit Half-Life 2 runs slowly (Not Vista's Fault really because ValvE buggered it.)
* I was using 32-bit Vista which was Worse.
* Vista is too inefficient.
* iTunes does not work very well on Vista and I don't want to update because then I can't use QTFairUse.

Oh man, 1 GB worked great on XP, but on Vista.. Anyway, just ran into my first DRM problem with iTunes. It's alright though, I didn't like that song anywayz. Otherwise, besides being a resource hog, Vista works great.

Well, if you ask me XP will still have a long life ahead as there are many people out there that really don't see the benifits of Vista. THey can use Microsoft Office to get all their work done. They can email. They can play some game. They can surf The Internet in style with for example Opera instead of Firefox and also using sandbox (many people never heared about this) to avoid spyware etc from running. Companies don't need Vista to survive. It will only cost them big money. Even better.....Did you know that whole municipality München is running Linux atm? More and more companies in europa say bye bye to Microsoft. I mean....what do companies benefit from Vista? Try to hack a router......I wish you good luck. Security does not play a role in this as most companies are not browsing The Internet collecting spyware and Vista is also hackable. The rest is up to you. They can still run their Excell/Office programms doing their thing. Do they need Vista? My guess.....no. Maybe in the future Vista will be much and much incredible faster ahum....we will see if we really see this with our bear eyes while running a stopwatch. Hell, our lives may be superb if we can gain only a few seconds running tasks faster.

based on what i have seen to date --- no --- i do not believe in the big vista wow. But that is not to say i dont believe completely--- only that there are certain bugs and questions with vista that need to be worked out. It is the most complex piece of software released ever --- and much of this is because of drm component of the operating system---- some think this is of no concern--- others think it is of great concern --- i really dont know one way or the other ---- but one thing i will say from a personal stand point ---- i would like to see the computer industry stay atleast some way apart from the protected content industry--- but this is not the trend and most people are for --- so i will not stand in its way...

I wonder what the next version of Windows brings >>>not being able to play mp3's anymore? If this happens everybody would switch back to XP again. No doubt.

OK,

1: so I can use more then 3 GB of RAM without using XP 64-bit that has a lot of compatibility problem (WAY more than Vista 64-bit that I'm using)

2: Dx10 games. I don't care that a group of Linux user is porting it right now. How good is there support gonna be? I know Dx10 support for Vista will be great out of the box by Microsoft.

3: Because I just got my PC 4 weeks ago. I got my previous PC in the months following XP release and almost went for WME at the time following some "expert" recommendation that XP wasn't fast enough and had too much bug. Let me tell you I was happy not listening to them when XP only games and even application (read AV mostly) started coming out supporting only XP.

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