I encourage anyone thinking of installing VISTA to read Peter Gutman’s article about VISTA.
“A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection”
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut [...] a_cost.txt

I installed VISTA 6000 dual boot and have been playing with media content in VISTA.

Anyone that says the DRM does not affect regular media files does not know what they are talking about.

VISTA has a new resource monitor in task manager and I suggest loading it then try playing a DVD or CD and watch DRM kick in and gobble your CPU resources. You cannot disable the programs or even take ownership rights because MS has special ownership rights.

Creative has not been able to even write drivers for their sound cards for the reasons Peter Gutman outlines in his article. Go to the Creative website forum and just read the outrage about their most expensive sound cards that convert DTS, Dolby audio down to PCM audio. Direct Sound 3D will never work in VISTA according to Creative Labs.

http://forums.creative.com/creativ [...] d.id=Vista Read: Audio In Windows Vista which backs up everything Gutman says in his article.

I have a Audigy and it sounds like crap with Creative’s drivers installed with limited functionality.

In addition, MS Defender will phone home with MS about any software you install in VISTA. There are no software firewalls that work in VISTA yet so be forewarned.

Read the EULA when you install VISTA and they have the right to monitor your computer after you click agree.

IMHO-MS has gone over the line with the DRM measures with VISTA and it violates every Constitutional right you thought you had before you install it.

If you do not mind MS watching every thing you do on your computer go ahead and upgrade.

I refuse to let them enter my computer with impunity without a search warrant or at least warning you that they are watching you.

What amazes me is that reputable Tech Reviewers are not warning people about what MS is unleashing on their computers. Is should be called MS VISTA Spyware or VISTA Trojan Ultimate Edition.

If you decide to test VISTA, I suggest you unplug your internet connection.

And before someone accuses me of supporting piracy or warez, I buy my software and do not use pirated content. I have a legit copy just like the rest of the Beta Testers that submitted bug reports.

Well, the MS Defender can be easily killed. And as far as I tried, there are a lot of protected files but I took ownership of them to make them as I wish. I even deleted a lot of files. (I lost aero in such a deleting rampage though )

So I may be missing the point but watching DVDs or listening mp3 or viewing ripped TV series didn't have any DRM kicking in. Should I watch something specific? I use WMP to play the files.

I'm gonna find that DRM process and kick his ass just to see what happens.

Troll. Registered just to make the one post.

this is not much of a proplem,,, surfing the web this morning I found
a link on msn that I looked at ( nsa and vista security paper) and
a link on there mentioned that there is and has been a back door
key to your OS for the NSA ,,, if and is it useable,, ???
have heard of this before about an unknown key in windows
and speculation that this is what it is for,, also was said to
be a key for people working on secret or government projects
sorry if this is choppy at work and going back and forth
data updated back to it

Troll?

Why.

Did you read the EULA or I am going to have to quote the relevant sections for you?

I have been reading this site for years but this VISTA spying has my underwear in a wad.

If you do not mind MS scanning your hardrive and data mining then fine be my guest.

Please go ahead and quote. Also quote from XP. Then also quote from Mac too.

Please also read what you quote before you post. And then also quote the laws relating to the EULA in the area you will operate the licence in. Please also read these before posting.

The abyss

and your point is?

The EULA for VISTA is unprecedented but do not take my word for it.

http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/423/1

MS is using product activation to get around the Constitutional laws of the US. It used to require a search warrant to enter a persons house or property but MS thinks they have a right to enter your computer with impunity and search your hardrive for anything they see as a threat to "Trusted Computing". They do not even have to ring the doorbell because you clicked the EULA.

MS views all their customers as thieves until proven otherwise and David Marsh has said so in his presentations to Computer Professionals.

It checks your computer every week to ensure that your Trusted Computing certificates are authentic which is different than WinXP that only checked your serial when accessing win update or installing the software.

What's more they disclose that they have a root kit imbedded in VISTA. They call it Auto Root Update. Do you remember the Sony Rootkit fiasco? If you disable the Auto Root update your drivers and software cannot be verified using HSF and which will disable your computer from playing any “Trusted Content”.

Read it for yourself in his power point presentation on the new DRM measures Vista will implement.
http://download.microsoft.com/down [...] nHEC05.ppt

The draconian measures MS has embedding in Vista will result in Monopoly Control of the Personal Computer. Hardware, Software, and Content will all have to be licensed through MS to be active on your Computer and will have to be validated by MS to work or they simply yank their certificate rendering the hardware, software, or content useless.

If that is not the definition of a Monopoly, I do not know what is.

I fail to see how this benefits me as a computer user.

It certainly won't benefit you if you have somethign illegal to hide on your system.

I am curious, Do you work for MS or do you derive your income from MS?

I do not have any illegal software on my computer but in the USA we have this document called the Constitution which gives all citizens certain rights:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

The above 4th amendment is one of the reasons we threw the British out of the USA and formed our country.

Microsoft is violating the above right using the Internet to access your computer.

What concerns me is that you find it proper for a company to do this and it does not seem to concern you that your data is being analyzed, collated and sold to the highest bidder under the guise of "Trusted Computing".

The average user will not be aware they are doing this unless the people in the media start to do their job and inform the public.

Oh for god's sake don't start hiding behind the constitution. If it's so good, why has it been amended so many times. Can you demonstrate how the original signatories debated and documented a potential situation like this concerning an operating system, the internet, a home PC user and the internet.

I can fully respect the constitution and what it means in terms of an American. But you're stretching it bringing it into a debate over Vista.

unless your doing something pretty serious to draw attention to yourself say for example visiting known terrorist websites or doing some other crazy stuff why would anyone from the NSA or Microsoft or the FBI or anyone else like that even want to look on your hard drive lol just wouldnt make sense considerng there are however many million people out there using microsoft OS systems u know.

I never said anything about the NSA or the FBI. Read the Vista EULA, review the planned implementation of Trusted Computing and its implications, then LOL, tell me I am full of crap.

MS will phone home once a week to ensure you are in compliance with the EULA and your copy is genuine all without user intervention. (That means without your permission)

http://wendy.seltzer.org/blog/arch [...] _user.html

It is pointless discussing this with you if do not care that a product you pay for will be in effect watching everything you do on your own computer.

Does your privacy mean anything to you or are you fine with a company reviewing your data without ringing the doorbell for permission to come in and look around?

Note-Even though I did not mention the NSA, MS did work with them on implementing the security in Vista. A computer scientist has discovered that MS gave the NSA a backdoor into previous MS releases. His name is Mark Russinovich . His company was recently bought by Microsoft and given a job there so I doubt he will be blogging about backdoors or root kits any time soon.

BTW-He was the guy that discovered the Sony Root Kit was installing with their music CD’s which resulted in a multi million lawsuit.
Do a Google.
Oh here:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archi [...] cro_1.html

Ya, I agree, they are a pretty vicious company that likes to protect their profits.

I'm not gonna bullshit around and say i never pirate stuff. I'm glad I do! Its essential to try a game beofre you buy it these days, or I might have paid good money for Black and White 2, CivCity Rome and Doom 3. I will buy a copy if the game is good, but I like being able to try it out first. I also NEVER pay for music. Limewire is good enough for me. I dont listen to it that much tho, and if I had to pay for it, I wouldnt buy it, so its not like im stealing potential profits.

I use my computer for all kinds of stuff, and I don't like the idea that Vista is going to limit the usefulness of my computer to protect its 70 billion. I guess I'll have to stick with XP till someone smarter than me figures out a way to make Vista less of a prison snitch

Ben

Whatever the pros and cons, I sincerely hope that Vista succeeds in the future helping prevent preventing theft by users like you without annoying the genuine legal users.

I'm off round your place now to steal your computer. But it's ok because I won't be using it very much.