http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/04/12/142218.shtml

http://www.infoworld.com/article/0 [...] rve_1.html

DRM primer: http://defectivebydesign.org/about

The days of the general purpose computer are numbered. In the not too distant future you will be required to swipe your credit card to log into your machine 8O

so you should add intel to your title, as in "AMD and Intel are screwing the customer by embracing DRM"

so you should add intel to your title, as in "AMD and Intel are screwing the customer by embracing DRM"

Nope ... Only AMD indicated their plans to do this so far.

Are you sure? A quick search in google might turn up different results. Maybe I am off base though and HOW the two are supporting DRM. I did the google search, so you guys can also.

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Wiki says:"The Trusted Computing Group (TCG) is an alliance of Microsoft, Intel, IBM, HP and AMD which promotes a standard for a ‘more secure’ (i.e. under their control) PC. Their definition of security is controversial; machines built according to their specification will be more trustworthy from the point of view of software vendors and the content industry, but will be less trustworthy from the point of view of their owners. In effect, the TCG specification will transfer the ultimate control of your PC from you to whoever wrote the software it happens to be running."
Intel calls it a "trusted platform module" and yes it is in hardware already.
Example: Intel® Desktop Board D915GMH
Trusted Platform Module (TPM)

I don't see VIA mentioned. Hmm...new VIA slogan..."we may be slow, but we aren't crippled"

Does this apply to the Radeon 1250 in the 690G chipset, or to products not yet released?

I ask because I've had a few issues using the DVI out while connected to the HDMI port of my LCD TV. I think there is some kind of handshake issue going on. I can't output in native 1360x768 resolution, and there are strange issues with the TV not re-acquiring video signal after the TV has been turned off and on again. I don't get any of these issues using the analogue (VGA) connection.

What kind of interference do we expect in our day-to-day computing? I can see this being a hassle for the uninformed who think that playing a high-def movie on their computer should be a simple matter of putting it in and hitting play, but for those of us who know what we're doing, what is the degradation in usability? I read a lot about how Vista screwed up 3D sound effects (though I've only ever used stereo connection to my PC).

Never heard of "Trusted Computing"? WINTEL
Intel is way ahead of AMD in limiting your "rights" on your PC. I'm getting sick of the AMD hate around here - I'm sorry you guys were stuck with Pentium 4's when I had an early 939, but that's no reason to spread hate, just 'cuz you got stuck with a dog.

This sounds to me like "chalk one up for open-source software".

The infoworld article states this will be implemented in "upcoming" GPUs.

The iterference is going to come to the fore as a slow insidious loss of hardware functionality available to you the owner of the PC. Apps that used this functionality before are going to be impossible to create in future.

Its a slow-raise-the-water-temperature to boil the frog scenario.

I hate to pop your fanboi bubble but this is a first ... a new type of hardware DRM restriction in GPUs (introducted by AMD, not Intel or nvidia ...).

While all the hardware manufactures will undoubtedly eventually get into bed with the content producers, AMD is breaking new ground here.

Futhermore, "trusted" computing (now there is a misnomer!) is a DUAL use technology. You can (theoreticaly) use a TPM chip to secure your own personal data. Of course this is not its main purpose, its main purpose is to ensure a movie/song/game sold to you plays on ONLY your PC.

This crap that AMDTI is planning to pull is NOT a dual use technology. There is NO potential benefit to you ... just a stripping away of your rights to use your own hardware that you paid for.

Do you imagine that this GPU trusted-computing junk is going to interfere with OpenGL?

While I don't disagree that the RIAA and the like are crossing a line in terms of getting the way operating systems and even hardware are built, I wonder how far the hardware manufacturers will go. Once their product is rendered undesirable to the consumer, well... that just opens the door to a new party to come in with a product embracing open standards based around what the consumer actually wants. In the end, it's the consumer's money that's making the wheel go 'round.

Do you ever start to feel guilty when you actually buy/rent a movie because a portion of that money is going to the RIAA/MPAA or whatever group to support their shady lobbying?

This sounds to me like "chalk one up for open-source software".

Open source software wont be able to access the GPUs frame buffer either.

Wiki says of this:"High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP) is a form of Digital Rights Management (DRM) developed by Intel Corporation to control digital audio and video content as it travels across Digital Visual Interface (DVI) or High-Definition Multimedia Interface (HDMI) connections. The specification is proprietary, and creating an implementation of HDCP requires a license."
It may be in your monitor as I don't think an old 9250 would have the tech. I think that they want it in everything, you computer, monitor, and OS. Could be why Creative is having such a hard time with drivers for Vista: they are forced to make audio sound like crap on protected content.

Well there are only two real consumer CPU manufacturers and two real consumer GPU manufacturers. Thats a very small list to lean on by the RIAA/MAFIAA.

A consumer hardware boycott will be next to impossible. The RIAA/MAFIAA (Sony, ...) can use a strategy like: "If you want to create new markets for your hardware in the living room you must cripple your hardware with DRM". Its already happening in front of our eyes.

Same thing with the nvidia 8800 driver fisaco in Vista ... caused by DRM. The MAFIAA have made it clear they will disable all GPUs that use HDCP if their drivers leak content.