http://www.tgdaily.com/2007/02/23/ [...] _graphics/

Okay, so now Intel is stating that their integrated video released this May will be fully DirectX 10 compliant. Obviously, it is not supposed to be superior than say the GeForce 8800 series or something, but let's remember something: AMD announced that their new DirectX 10 video cards are coming out this May as well.

What would be the consequences if AMD didn't release the new cards until AFTER Intel has the new chipsets? Again I realise there is a huge difference in specifications, etc., but come on, Intel is beating ATI to DirectX 10? That is embarrasing!!! It is time ATI moved forward, because this AMD aquisition looks like it is a dumber move every day that passes, I feel. (sigh) I warned AMD in an email that I feared this would happen--I never expected them to listen or something, but they responded and assured me that the transition would help them develop DirectX 10 faster than they would separate from AMD. I was skeptical but of course felt they knew more than I do about these sorts of things. I was wrong, apparently.

AMD is in serious trouble, I hate it. I use NVIDIA and AMD together because to me they were practically made for each other, and I still feel AMD made a horrible mistake with ATI. I hope they prove me wrong, I really do, but right now, it is not looking good at all.

Perhaps you havent noticed but Intel is the largest graphics manufacturer in the world.

And yes you are equating an IGC to a dedicated GPU card. Really man you need to take a deep breathe and step away from the PC for a little while. ATI has had dx10 on one of those in the xbox360 since 2005.

ATI is far from being in any sort of serious trouble from Intel for years to come. In fact the opposite is true, Intel is the one under pressure from ATI because they are pushing into the IGC market which Intel has had a stranglehold over for a very long time.

As far as dedicated GPU cards are concerned Nvidia is the only direct competition for ATI and from the looks of it that will only last a little longer with the release of the R600.

A minor point, perhaps, but the 360 doesn't actually use DirectX10. It's more than DX9, but not full DX10.

I'm not so sure. They say its using a many-core architecture, this makes me think it's x86-based processors. And only 16 cores on a chip!?

They took a very general purpose architecture and are trying to mould it into a graphics engine. This means they're paying latency, power and die area for x86 decode. What a waste! And how can 16 cores perform 16x better than an 8800! An 8800 has 128 specialized cores running at several hundred MHz, within a specialized connection fabric. It's a stream processor.

Most graphics computations are 4-vector based, because they're working with transform matrices, point vectors and RGBA pixel values. Trying to do more work than one or two 4-vector operations per cycle in a generalized manner seems pretty complicated, but that's what they would have to do in order to compete. Each individual core would need a lot of FP processing power. I'm guessing it's also going to be running at a pretty high clock speed.

I dunno. I suppose they probably know more about it than I do.

Agreed. The 360 is not DX10!

Best,

3Ball

:? I know what you mean but yeah I am gonna agree with sandman.

I really know how you feel :x , ati is taking its time to release the r600 and time is what they don't have right now ,but I predict that ati is gonna come with a card that can beat the 8800 performance for around 10-25% and maybe MAYBE they come out with a physics technology in which we can use another cards for physics.

Is gonna be good for ati since they'll have the performance lead again( I don't know for how long) but again they are losing a lot of buyers to nvidia for taking their time.

so we are gonna see how it goes, time will tell us



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Intel has been working on an 80 core vector processing project that can be applied to problems such as graphics processing. They aren't going to use a general purpose x86 processor for graphics. Processor architecture is moving more toward a managed system of specialized processing cores. Don't be surprised when your video processing moves onto the motherboard and is directly managed in concert with the CPU.

Hasn't this been covered about 50 times already?

You better hope ATI/AMD survive, because if Intel gained a monopoly, do you even have a clue as to what Intels prices will go to?

I guarantee it won't be good!!!!!

What benefits are there for AMD/ATI to rush the release of a DX10 card? There are no DX10 games and the high end video card segment accounts for less than 5% of their sales. Nvidia may own current bragging rights, but that does little to boost their sales. Midrange cards is where the money is at. Right now AMD/ATI is doing just fine in that market segment.

Perhaps you haven't noticed, but the $hit Intel makes as graphics chips are only DX9 as a technicality. They SUX. I'm sure DX will love having 32Mb of shared system RAM, lol. (sorry for the rampant exaggerations)
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I'm in agreement here.

Though there are rumors running around (started in forums) that AMD is to be bought out by IBM. *shrugs*

I think the issue isn't that NVidia has high end kick ass cards, it's that they have DX10 cards. People don't want high end often, but they want contemporary.
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Actually the Intel GMA 965 (aka GMA 3000) is quite capable of playing the latest games, including (brace yourself) OBLIVION: http://www.intel.com/support/graph [...] 023531.htm

Yup, in a future driver release, Intel claims Oblivion is more than capable of working on this GMA--it'll likely be 11FPS outdoors at low settings though (heh)!

We are over-analyzing this. 90% of the casual gamers look at DirectX compliance and video memory for their gaming needs, and nothing more. Intel's new DX10 chipset will sell BECAUSE it has the capability, not the speed. We are all intelligent enough to know the difference in this forum, but the reality is that most consumers are completely ignorant of this.

All intel has to do is advertise the fire out of the directx 10 capability, and the ignorant users who had one bad nvidia card in the past will purchase Intel IGCS when it comes out. You think this would be miniscule, but I've had dozens of people already ask me when will the next DirectX 10 card come out by someone other than nvidia? NVIDIA had the FX5200 card that Dell advertised as a "gaming card" and therefore most ignorant users assume nvidia are liars.

Again, innovation means nothing in the end--it all comes down to profits, and if AMD delays its graphics card much longer it will seal its own fate.

Have you read about all of the DX10 issues with NVIDIA?

IMHO, It's a very smart thing to hold off on DX10 cards until all of the issues are resolved. I suspect just as many of the issues are in the Vista code as they are in the drivers.

And yes, stating that Intel has DX10 coming out is so funny.
Sure, it can play HL-2, but only on 320x240 Resolution using 16-colors. However, when set as such the other DX10 features work nicely.