Vista Cool and Quiet support gone for anything other than the most recent products? What is up with this???

Vista and Cool 'n Quiet co-existed with RC2 on my board, A8R32-MVP Deluxe, and my friends A8N32-SLI Deluxe (both socket 939 boards). But in the RTM version of Vista, CnQ no longer works. AMD has stated they don't need to release a driver for it to work since it's built into Vista.

Obviously MS changed something but is pointing the finger at AMD and the motherboard manufacturers to fix it.

Could this be a handout from MS to AMD and the motherboard manufacturers to drive sales for their AM2-based products?

Or maybe there was some stability issue that some folks encountered with CnQ in RC2 so MS fixed it in the RTM version which caused it to break on certain systems. But don't you think Asus and other manuf. have the obligation to update their BIOS to comply... especially if those products are still being sold?

try retail, it has 1500 more drivers than rtm (announced in nov.)

*note: rtm and retail have the same build num., but retail like i said has more drivers built-in.

Yeah, this is getting rediculous. If it's MS fault, then they need to fix it asap. There's just no excuse, c&q should work without having to double check it. Also, asus...nvidia....GET OFF YOUR ARSE and build some good vista drivers, 32 and 64 bit. The betas and RC editions have been out forever, there's absolutely no excuse. Razor mice too.....where's your vista support?

I guess if they don't want to support their products, they'll lose my business altogether. My Hauppuage card, and sound blaster card have drivers that work great. Both of those companies, to my knowledge, have no where near the financial backing that nvidia and asus do.

They think we can't see through the BS?

Oh BTW, I'm running retail vista ultimate edition.

Edit: For those of you that think c&q isn't important, don't even bother replying. I run my system in a desk, door shut, and it's very important. It's a simple formula for silence, if c&q doesn't work, my raptors and cpu heat up the system too much together, and I need to open my door. When I open my door, I hear my raptors. When I hear my raptors....I get angry and find the cause of the problem. I'm not the only one frustrated with this issue....google it.

Are you sure you aren't running your PC in Always On power mode? Cuz my Athlon 64 X2 3800 ran at half speed when not being taxed until I switched my PC to Always On. This is under Vista Ultimate.

yeah... i do the same with my tower, have it underneath my desk with a door closed in front of it because of the noise, numerous raptors operating too, with about 8 fans, running vista rtm... a temporary (or permanent) alternative to CnQ that you have more control over than CnQ offers, is to use "Rightmarks CPU Clock Utility"... im using it myself, but, whats useful, is you can individually change voltages and multipliers for different operating modes, which you can configure individually too, a bunch of other settings too... i just have my X2 running at stock speed (2.0GHz), but undervolted as well (1.125v), temperatures are kept down a decent amount then (~43 idle ~50+ load)

I'll double check the power management settings in Vista, but from what I could tell, nothing changed when I saved new settings. I tried going to power saver mode, and going through the advanced settings, but it still runs full boogy 2.6ghz.

Interesting turn of events to fix the issue.

I read on another forum that a guy had installed an older bios (1 rev back) on my A8N32-SLI. Luckily I had my old raptor with XP on it. I booted off the asus flash cd....flashed with the original version of the bios. Booted to XP to flash the system to the 2nd to newest bios, and what do ya know, power management and c&q work fine in vista.

The reason I had to boot to xp was because I don't have a floppy to flash the stupid system, and asus didn't build a util for vista to flash the bios through the os. What great support from these vendors we blow so much money on.

Another issue......in media center on vista, nvidia's driver crashes every so often. I tried the RTM driver from MS, the nvidia driver, and the latest beta from nvidia. All of the suck horribly, and crash in media center. I got it to be semi stable with a codec pack, but it still bombs every once in a while. Vista notifies me that the video driver has failed and recovered successfully.

I'm starting to wonder if nvidia even tests their drivers before releasing to the wild. People use media center all of the time....

Yeah, it's funny isn't it. It seems that a lot of hardware manufactures are having problems supporting Vista. Hey wait, what's the common thread here? VISTA that's what. Maybe you are blaming the wrong companies? Just something to think about.

Maybe you failed to read my full post(s). There's plenty of support and drivers from smaller companies like creative labs and wintv(Haup), so why can't nvidia and asus keep up? You think that the problem is with MS? You sound like someone traveling down the path of "buy a fruity Mac or linux box....luse ur windoze M$ POS" blah blah.

Give me a break, grow up, and realize that Microsoft is here to stay and creates great products. So far, I haven't had any issues with vista itself....no stability issues with the OS, All of the programs run great that are boxed with ultimate (when not hindered by shitty drivers from third parties). The only issues so far are those listed above, and require third party intervention. I paid $180+ for my motherboard, $400+ for my 7800GTX, and it was pushed by asus as "the best" they had ever built, and Nvidia at the time. I think I should receive updates and support don't you? These products have been purchased less than a year ago too...And how bout Nvidia. Go read about how terrible their driver support is for vista. Again, I'm NOT the only one complaining about these issues. I'm just choosing to complain loudly here.

Also Zorg, if you have ever been in software development then you'd know where I'm coming from. Microsoft gave the developers the means to create drivers, and plenty of time to do so. There's zero excuse for companies of this size to ignore what they have sold and built. After all, their bread and butter is Microsoft, and supporting MS customers. Marketing only sells the product, you still have to make it work.

I hate to say this, but have you read the link at the top of my sig. Have you read anything about the hardware and driver hell that the video card manufacturers are going through in order to be HDCP compliant? I think not. Read the link. And let me know what you think.

Once again, people like you just don't get it. Does it do any good to complain about it? Does it do any good to say "you made my job harder so I quit". I highly doubt these excuses will last much longer. Harder or not, in a few months all of this will be a thing of the past, people can either shit or get off the pot. If you want to make money selling video cards, sound cards, motherboards, then you might as well expect to support Microsoft. Can you argue with that?

I'm quite certain that they are busting their collective a$$es trying to get their cards released (r600 etc.) and drivers stable because that is how they make their money. And really, do you think they want to hear all the whining. I'm just saying that if people want to whine and complain then they should direct it at the company that is responsible for screwing it up, not the companies that are attempting to comply, with all the BS, because they aren't doing it fast enough. I agree with you, the hardware manufacturers will comply, they have no choice. As for me I'm going to ride the XP train to the last stop. It's funny, early adopters always complain when everything isn't perfect right out of the box, when they all already know that it never is. This is especially true of Vista because of the massive driver re-writes due to the necessity to be HDCP compliant and, from what I understand, the limited access to the kernel. So hang on, ATI and Nvidia will get the drivers straight, just as soon as they get them approved by the MPAA.

I know they will get it right....I just want it to be now, and felt like venting. I also fear that us s939 owners are going to be forced to upgrade to an AM2 or some other BS, simply because they don't feel like updating their bios to work with vista. My 939 runs as good if not better than some AM2 systems, so I sure as hell don't need DDR2 and the new socket just to "be vista certified".

A buddy of mine just read on newegg....another user review warning people not to buy a 939 board and vista, as the mobo manufacturer doesn't want to support it (yet). It's crazy to me that they are selling this stuff, still current on newegg and other sites, brand new, and appear to not support it with vista? Seems to me like any new PC being built would run vista. I was just in compusa, best buy, and circuit city. I only found 2 systems left (display systems open boxed) that are available with XP anymore. Everything is vista now.

Pretty crazy .....I really hope they wake up sooner than later.

Zorg, I hate to say this, but have you bothered to read any of the responses to the article, or even the article itself? As for the latter (to take things out of order), it is extremely biased, as for the former, they expose the said article as, if not outright lies, statements that manage to present only porions of the story so as to make MS look bad. It is just said that you read that as gospel. By the way, the funniest thing is that half the contents of the article discuss features already present in XP...

And, the bigget point of all, is that MS's DRM just place the decision in the hands of the content creators, so if you think that you've been wronged, you're actually barking at the wrong tree...