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I'm looking to buy a pocket PC to use together with my bluetooth GPS for  
navigation on my motorcycle. I'm not sure which pocket PC to buy and  
what software to use? I have access to digital maps of the areas I ride  
in, so OziExplorer CE seems to be a good program which would fit my  
needs, but other suggestions are welcome. The other problem is that I  
need a good, cheap and robust pocket PC to run it on. I want/need  
bluetooth, WAN, color display and at least a 400mhz CPU. Searching on  
the net I've found the Mitac Mio 558 and Asus A716 to be two pocket PC's  
that would fit the bill. Question is, how do they handle the conditions  
on an off road motorcycle in terms of vibrations, shocks, temperatures,  
humidity, and so on? I'd also like a battery life of at least five hours  
continues use, with the bluetooth enabled, preferably more. Is that  
something I can expect, even with the backlight on? Do you need to have  
the display backlight on for it to be readable in sun light while  
wearing sunglasses or is it only necessary when it's dark? I've never  
used a pocket PC before, so all suggestions and comments are welcome.
 
Thanks,
Ulf
 
 
http://ulf.cc

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Hi Ulf
By any chance, do you live in Norway, and work for Telenor?
 
Damien
 
"Ulf" <camaroz28@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> I'm looking to buy a pocket PC to use together with my bluetooth GPS for
> navigation on my motorcycle. I'm not sure which pocket PC to buy and
> what software to use? I have access to digital maps of the areas I ride
> in, so OziExplorer CE seems to be a good program which would fit my
> needs, but other suggestions are welcome. The other problem is that I
> need a good, cheap and robust pocket PC to run it on. I want/need
> bluetooth, WAN, color display and at least a 400mhz CPU. Searching on
> the net I've found the Mitac Mio 558 and Asus A716 to be two pocket PC's
> that would fit the bill. Question is, how do they handle the conditions
> on an off road motorcycle in terms of vibrations, shocks, temperatures,
> humidity, and so on? I'd also like a battery life of at least five hours
> continues use, with the bluetooth enabled, preferably more. Is that
> something I can expect, even with the backlight on? Do you need to have
> the display backlight on for it to be readable in sun light while
> wearing sunglasses or is it only necessary when it's dark? I've never
> used a pocket PC before, so all suggestions and comments are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Ulf
>
>
> http://ulf.cc

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Ulf wrote:
 
> ... Question is, how do they handle the conditions  
> on an off road motorcycle in terms of vibrations, shocks, temperatures,  
> humidity, and so on?
 
  I would pick an iPaq, they've proven robust enough.  As far as the mount  
goes, the RAM mount for the iPaq has more than proven itself.
 
  I wouldn't use it off-road though.  It's not robust enough for that.  
However, I've had an older model iPaq survive a motorcycle crash, it didn't  
come loose or anything.
 
  Not sure what the weather is like in your part of town, but you need to keep  
it out of rain.  I have a windshield on my bike, so a very light sprinkle would  
be ok (while on the move at least!), but I ceratinly get nervous with anything  
more than that.
 
  As far as the sun goes, I've had to turn off IR communications on my iPaq.  
Apparently, under very bright light conditions, the IR interface gets confused,  
thinks there's incoming data and tries to process it.  The end result is that  
operation slows down to a crawl.
  I've been led to believe this is unique at least to some degree to the iPaqs,  
but since I don't use IR comms it wasn't an issue for me.
 
> I'd also like a battery life of at least five hours continues use, with the
> bluetooth enabled, preferably more.  Is that something I can expect, even
> with the backlight on?
 
  Might be worth looking at if you really _need_ all those things turned on,  
especially bluetooth, when you have the option of GPS sleeves and such.  
Bluetooth GPS comms is iffy at best, so I'd be looking at other options first.
 
  Either way, you _need_ external power.  I hard-wired a 12v cigarette power  
adaptor into the accessories line, and routed the power cable to the front and  
around the handlebars ready for use.
  It's not something you can fit and remove like you would in a car, but the  
auto power adaptors are reasonably cheap enough, so you can have more than one  
if you're likely to use it in a car as well.
 
> Do you need to have the display backlight on for it to be readable in sun
> light while wearing sunglasses or is it only necessary when it's dark?
 
  The backlight certainly helps.  You would pass shadowy patches where you wish  
for the backlight, and sometimes direct sunlight where you wouldn't be able to  
tell if it's on or off.  So it's easiest to leave it on all the time.  Now you  
know why you have external power. :-)
 
  Personally, I've found the _direction_ of the sun was more of a factor than  
the overall ambient light level.  Direct sunlight (as long as there wasn't  
glare on the screen) was best for visibility, and sideways sunlight was the  
worst.  This can be easily worked around with simple home-made sun shields on  
either side of the PDA though.
 
> I've never used a pocket PC before, so all suggestions and comments are welcome.
 
  I use it on my motorcycle on a very regular basis, and it works well.
 
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Ulf <camaroz28@my-deja.com> wrote in news:5F3Ud.18188$d5.143068
@newsb.telia.net:
 
> I'm looking to buy a pocket PC to use together with my bluetooth GPS  
for  
> navigation on my motorcycle. I'm not sure which pocket PC to buy  
 
I would advice for a quality PPC, like the iPaq from HP, and a good  
casing to mount it on your bike. I prefer the iPaq because of its very  
good screen: even in direct sunlight the maps can be read, which can't be  
said of all its concurrents. For mounting on my bike I have purchased an  
Otter box: not really cheap but watertight and shockproof.  
To preserve the watertightness of the box I have not included external  
power supply, so my "autonomy" lasts only about 4 to 5 hours.
 
--  
 
SoftSpot
softspot_ihatespam_brugge@hotmail.com
"Tomorrow it may get better, but it will never be allright."
(Cornelis Vreeswijk)
 
(just remove the spamstatement  
and one underscore  
to respond personally,  
but please keep it friendly,

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Ulf wrote:
 
> I'm looking to buy a pocket PC to use together with my bluetooth GPS for  
> navigation on my motorcycle.
 
Forget it. It's been tried time and again. Go with a stand-alone GPS  
that can connect to a PC for updating the software, uploading routes,  
etc. The dedicated GPS should be build to withstand vibration (no  
micro-drives please) and the weather exposure (IPX7 is good.)
 
Your pocket PC will drown the first time you get caught in a storm.
 
--  
Mark Johnson, Ft. Worth, TX
http://www.bikes-n-spikes.org
Am I ambivalent? Well, yes and no...

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Despite the others pointing to ppc's don't do it= they aren't robust
enough for a motorbike and certainly not waterproof. Look at the GPS
models from |Garmin as some also display maps, and there are mounts
available.
 
 
"Ulf" <camaroz28@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:5F3Ud.18188$d5.143068@newsb.telia.net...
| I'm looking to buy a pocket PC to use together with my bluetooth GPS
for
| navigation on my motorcycle. I'm not sure which pocket PC to buy and
| what software to use? I have access to digital maps of the areas I
ride
| in, so OziExplorer CE seems to be a good program which would fit my
| needs, but other suggestions are welcome. The other problem is that I
| need a good, cheap and robust pocket PC to run it on. I want/need
| bluetooth, WAN, color display and at least a 400mhz CPU. Searching on
| the net I've found the Mitac Mio 558 and Asus A716 to be two pocket
PC's
| that would fit the bill. Question is, how do they handle the
conditions
| on an off road motorcycle in terms of vibrations, shocks,
temperatures,
| humidity, and so on? I'd also like a battery life of at least five
hours
| continues use, with the bluetooth enabled, preferably more. Is that
| something I can expect, even with the backlight on? Do you need to
have
| the display backlight on for it to be readable in sun light while
| wearing sunglasses or is it only necessary when it's dark? I've never
| used a pocket PC before, so all suggestions and comments are welcome.
|
| Thanks,
| Ulf
|
|
| http://ulf.cc

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John Tserkezis wrote:
> Ulf wrote:
>  
>> ... Question is, how do they handle the conditions on an off road  
>> motorcycle in terms of vibrations, shocks, temperatures, humidity, and  
>> so on?
>  
>  
>  I would pick an iPaq, they've proven robust enough.  As far as the  
> mount goes, the RAM mount for the iPaq has more than proven itself.
>  
>  I wouldn't use it off-road though.  It's not robust enough for that.  
> However, I've had an older model iPaq survive a motorcycle crash, it  
> didn't come loose or anything.
>  
>  Not sure what the weather is like in your part of town, but you need to  
> keep it out of rain.  I have a windshield on my bike, so a very light  
> sprinkle would be ok (while on the move at least!), but I ceratinly get  
> nervous with anything more than that.
>  
>  As far as the sun goes, I've had to turn off IR communications on my  
> iPaq. Apparently, under very bright light conditions, the IR interface  
> gets confused, thinks there's incoming data and tries to process it.  
> The end result is that operation slows down to a crawl.
>  I've been led to believe this is unique at least to some degree to the  
> iPaqs, but since I don't use IR comms it wasn't an issue for me.
 
Actually, I'm leaning more towards the Mitac because of its price. The  
cheapest iPac that would suit my needs is considerably more expensive.  
Not sure how I would mount it though, putting it in a zip bag and  
velcroing it to the instruments might work, I'm really not interested in  
shelling out $100 for a mount unless I have to. If it turns out that it  
can't handle the stress I'll reconsider, but I do have one year to  
experiment before the warranty expires. :-)
 
>  
>> I'd also like a battery life of at least five hours continues use,  
>> with the
>> bluetooth enabled, preferably more.  Is that something I can expect, even
>> with the backlight on?
>  
>  
>  Might be worth looking at if you really _need_ all those things turned  
> on, especially bluetooth, when you have the option of GPS sleeves and  
> such. Bluetooth GPS comms is iffy at best, so I'd be looking at other  
> options first.
>  
>  Either way, you _need_ external power.  I hard-wired a 12v cigarette  
> power adaptor into the accessories line, and routed the power cable to  
> the front and around the handlebars ready for use.
>  It's not something you can fit and remove like you would in a car, but  
> the auto power adaptors are reasonably cheap enough, so you can have  
> more than one if you're likely to use it in a car as well.
 
Well, I already have a bluetooth GPS so that's what I'll use. You're  
probably right about external power, but it can't be too hard to wire  
up. Using a simple voltage regulator it shouldn't cost more than a  
couple of bucks.
 
>  
>> Do you need to have the display backlight on for it to be readable in sun
>> light while wearing sunglasses or is it only necessary when it's dark?
>  
>  
>  The backlight certainly helps.  You would pass shadowy patches where  
> you wish for the backlight, and sometimes direct sunlight where you  
> wouldn't be able to tell if it's on or off.  So it's easiest to leave it  
> on all the time.  Now you know why you have external power. :-)
>  
>  Personally, I've found the _direction_ of the sun was more of a factor  
> than the overall ambient light level.  Direct sunlight (as long as there  
> wasn't glare on the screen) was best for visibility, and sideways  
> sunlight was the worst.  This can be easily worked around with simple  
> home-made sun shields on either side of the PDA though.
>  
>> I've never used a pocket PC before, so all suggestions and comments  
>> are welcome.
>  
>  
>  I use it on my motorcycle on a very regular basis, and it works well.
 
Good to hear. Hope I have the same experience! :-)
 
>  
Ulf

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Damien wrote:
> Hi Ulf
> By any chance, do you live in Norway, and work for Telenor?
 
Nope, sorry.
 
>  
> Damien
Ulf

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SoftSpot wrote:
> Ulf <camaroz28@my-deja.com> wrote in news:5F3Ud.18188$d5.143068
> @newsb.telia.net:
>  
>  
>>I'm looking to buy a pocket PC to use together with my bluetooth GPS  
>  
> for  
>  
>>navigation on my motorcycle. I'm not sure which pocket PC to buy  
>  
>  
> I would advice for a quality PPC, like the iPaq from HP, and a good  
> casing to mount it on your bike. I prefer the iPaq because of its very  
> good screen: even in direct sunlight the maps can be read, which can't be  
> said of all its concurrents. For mounting on my bike I have purchased an  
> Otter box: not really cheap but watertight and shockproof.  
> To preserve the watertightness of the box I have not included external  
> power supply, so my "autonomy" lasts only about 4 to 5 hours.
 
Do you ride off road with the iPaq too? If that's the case, I shouldn't  
have anything to worry about. :-)
 
>  
Ulf

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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 18:58:09 GMT, Ulf <camaroz28@my-deja.com> wrote:
 
>Question is, how do they handle the conditions  
>on an off road motorcycle in terms of vibrations, shocks, temperatures,  
>humidity, and so on?
 
They don't handle it at all.  You'll spend all your time trying to
keep it running.  The first time it gets wet, you've lost it all.  Ask
me how I know...
 
I used a Gamin Que 1620 with a Dell Axim 300mhz, mounted on a 1999
Honda ST1100 using the Garmin mount.  It worked great - until I hit
the 12,000 foot level of Mt. Evans in Colorado.  I turned a corner and
went from bright and sunny to raining sideways.  The PDA died on the
spot.  I was eventually able to get it going again (after taking the
case off and letting it dry for *weeks*, but it forgot everything it
ever knew.  
 
I was in the middle of a 5,000 mile road trip.  I had added several
contacts to my address book, a bunch of new waypoints, and a blog of
my trip through Yellowstone and the Grand Tetons.  All gone, in the
blink of an eye.
 
PDAs make great GPSs, but only in a car, never on a motorcycle.  They
don't handle moisture at all, and they don't handle vibration well.
Temperature changes make them absorb moisture and fog the screen from
the inside.  PDAs were never meant for weather extremes and they can't
be made to handle them, not even in a ziplock bag.  Anything you use
to waterproof it will also keep you from using it easily.
 
>I'd also like a battery life of at least five hours  
>continues use, with the bluetooth enabled, preferably more. Is that  
>something I can expect, even with the backlight on?
 
Not even in your wettest dream.  With all that running, your battery
time will be measured in minutes.  I'm not kidding.  You'll have to
run a power cord from the vehicle to keep it all going for five hours.
 
>Do you need to have  
>the display backlight on for it to be readable in sun light while  
>wearing sunglasses or is it only necessary when it's dark?
 
The backlight won't help you in sunlight at all.  I didn't have much
trouble seeing mine unless there was some glare on the screen.  I
could shade it with one hand if I had to.
 
>I've never  
>used a pocket PC before, so all suggestions and comments are welcome.
 
A pocket PC is great on a motorcycle trip, but keep it sealed in the
tank bag in multiple layers of ziplock bags, or a commercial dry bag
or box.  Get a Garmin 60C which will do everything the PDA will except
talk, and you can even use it underwater if you have to.  If you do
much motorcycle touring, then you know how quickly you can go from
warm and dry to practically underwater in a matter of seconds.
 
Over the years on my bikes I have used a Garmin 12, a III+, an eTrex
Vista (ugh), a Garmin Que 1620, and now I'm using a Garmin 60C.  For
the money, there's nothing on the market right now that will beat it.
There are bigger screens, more memory, more fancy features, but they
all come with a price and they're not necessary for motorcycle
touring.
 
 
--
Road Dog
IBA#12795
'99 ST1100

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Ulf wrote:
 
> Not sure how I would mount it though, putting it in a zip bag and  
> velcroing it to the instruments might work, I'm really not interested in  
> shelling out $100 for a mount unless I have to. If it turns out that it  
> can't handle the stress I'll reconsider, but I do have one year to  
> experiment before the warranty expires. :-)
 
  It took me a couple of years before I shelled out for the mount.  Glad I did.  
I mucked around with various home-made mounts that never really did do the job  
in a manner I was happy with.
  Only regret I have is that I didn't do it earlier.  I would have had use of  
it a couple of years earlier...
 
> Well, I already have a bluetooth GPS so that's what I'll use. You're  
> probably right about external power, but it can't be too hard to wire  
> up. Using a simple voltage regulator it shouldn't cost more than a  
> couple of bucks.
 
  You'd think that.  Make sure it's beefy enough to deliver the worst case  
current requirements of the PDA.  I'm currently working on adapting a cellphone  
auto adaptor to a couple of amps, (was only good to about 300mA originally).  
So far, if you account for what I've spent on it so far, and the time spent on  
adapting and experimenting, it's would have been cheaper and faster just to buy.
  Oh well, at least I get the satisfaction of "fixing" it myself...  Yeah, I'll  
keep telling myself that... :-)
--  
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Jack Hunt wrote:
 
 
> PDAs make great GPSs, but only in a car, never on a motorcycle.  They
> don't handle moisture at all, and they don't handle vibration well.
> Temperature changes make them absorb moisture and fog the screen from
> the inside.  PDAs were never meant for weather extremes and they can't
> be made to handle them, not even in a ziplock bag.  Anything you use
> to waterproof it will also keep you from using it easily.
 
Good description of the problem. Try an otter box with a ram mount.
 
Dale
 
--  
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    /`) _  //     http://users.cwnet.com/dalede
  o/_/ (_(_X_(`   For GPS and GPS/PDAs

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Just a bit of lateral thinking here...
 
I have an iPAQ 2210 that I use mainly for SatNav in my car & van using
TomTom Navigator Bluetooth GPS receiver.
 
Being a dry-weather only motorcyclist I fancied the idea of using SatNav on
the 'bike.
 
Not wanting the iPAQ to be on show (how would you manage to do anything
on-screen wearing gloves anyway?) I left it in its case, fitted it under the
seat where the toolkit used to go, plugged the iPAQ audio output into the
Autocom intercom system already on the 'bike and stuck the GPS receiver
under the plastic tailhump.
 
Result? Worked perfectly. Directions came through the earpieces in my helmet
(I had to turn the volume down on the iPAQ) and it worked extremely well.
 
Never felt compelled to look at the display - rather keep my eyes on the
road, other traffic & conditions.
 
BT GPS receiver good for about 5-6 hours on a single charge, iPAQ ran for
about 3 hours or so the couple of times I tried it.
 
If I required it permanently on the bike I would buy a Brodit active holder
like I use in the car/van and wire it into the 'bikes  harness to power the
iPAQ.
 
You would also have the option to power the GPS receiver that way but as a
permanent fitting I would buy a cabled GPS mouse.
 
Just a thought...
 
Regards,
-=pp=-
 
 
"Ulf" <camaroz28@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:5F3Ud.18188$d5.143068@newsb.telia.net...
> I'm looking to buy a pocket PC to use together with my bluetooth GPS for
> navigation on my motorcycle. I'm not sure which pocket PC to buy and
> what software to use? I have access to digital maps of the areas I ride
> in, so OziExplorer CE seems to be a good program which would fit my
> needs, but other suggestions are welcome. The other problem is that I
> need a good, cheap and robust pocket PC to run it on. I want/need
> bluetooth, WAN, color display and at least a 400mhz CPU. Searching on
> the net I've found the Mitac Mio 558 and Asus A716 to be two pocket PC's
> that would fit the bill. Question is, how do they handle the conditions
> on an off road motorcycle in terms of vibrations, shocks, temperatures,
> humidity, and so on? I'd also like a battery life of at least five hours
> continues use, with the bluetooth enabled, preferably more. Is that
> something I can expect, even with the backlight on? Do you need to have
> the display backlight on for it to be readable in sun light while
> wearing sunglasses or is it only necessary when it's dark? I've never
> used a pocket PC before, so all suggestions and comments are welcome.
>
> Thanks,
> Ulf
>
>
> http://ulf.cc

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Pheasant Plucker® wrote:
 
> Not wanting the iPAQ to be on show (how would you manage to do anything
> on-screen wearing gloves anyway?)
 
  OziexplorerCE has many functions assignable to "screen buttons".  They are  
"hot spots" on the map display (display divided up into a grid of nine  
squares).  Each square can easily be pressed with a motorcycle glove.
 
  I leave the RAM mount in place, and remove/fit the iPaq as required.  When it  
rains, I use a medium/large zip-lock plastic bag over the ipaq.  Though, I find  
the display cannot be seen through the water droplets on the bag.  I think this  
would be the case even if I had a waterproof dedictated receiver though.
 
  I might look at a larger sun/rain sheild for the ipaq when I get some time.
 
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Brodit also has a weatherproof mount for a pda on a motorcycle (Item Number  
215002). Unfortunately it's $230. The Otter Box with a cable pass-through  
and RAM Mount adds up to almount $200.
 
Bruce Dimon
Dell Axim X30 with Bluetooth GPS
GL1500 Gold Wing: 198,000 miles & still runs like new!
North Idaho, USA
 
 
"Dale DePriest" <Dale@gpsinformation.het> wrote in message  
news:1122ok2djknnl52@corp.supernews.com...
>
>
> Jack Hunt wrote:
>
>
>> PDAs make great GPSs, but only in a car, never on a motorcycle.  They
>> don't handle moisture at all, and they don't handle vibration well.
>> Temperature changes make them absorb moisture and fog the screen from
>> the inside.  PDAs were never meant for weather extremes and they can't
>> be made to handle them, not even in a ziplock bag.  Anything you use
>> to waterproof it will also keep you from using it easily.
>
> Good description of the problem. Try an otter box with a ram mount.
>
> Dale
>
> --  
>     _      _     Dale DePriest
>    /`) _  //     http://users.cwnet.com/dalede
>  o/_/ (_(_X_(`   For GPS and GPS/PDAs

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True but they have another box without the cable pass though for $50.  
For motocycle use a drill and a grommet can probably fix this. Besides  
no one said anything about the price being a problem :-)
 
Dale
 
Adelphia wrote:
 
> Brodit also has a weatherproof mount for a pda on a motorcycle (Item Number  
> 215002). Unfortunately it's $230. The Otter Box with a cable pass-through  
> and RAM Mount adds up to almount $200.
>  
> Bruce Dimon
> Dell Axim X30 with Bluetooth GPS
> GL1500 Gold Wing: 198,000 miles & still runs like new!
> North Idaho, USA
>  
>  
> "Dale DePriest" <Dale@gpsinformation.het> wrote in message  
> news:1122ok2djknnl52@corp.supernews.com...
>  
>>
>>Jack Hunt wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>PDAs make great GPSs, but only in a car, never on a motorcycle.  They
>>>don't handle moisture at all, and they don't handle vibration well.
>>>Temperature changes make them absorb moisture and fog the screen from
>>>the inside.  PDAs were never meant for weather extremes and they can't
>>>be made to handle them, not even in a ziplock bag.  Anything you use
>>>to waterproof it will also keep you from using it easily.
>>
>>Good description of the problem. Try an otter box with a ram mount.
>>
>>Dale
>>
>>--  
>>    _      _     Dale DePriest
>>   /`) _  //     http://users.cwnet.com/dalede
>> o/_/ (_(_X_(`   For GPS and GPS/PDAs  
>  
>  
>  
 
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    /`) _  //     http://users.cwnet.com/dalede
  o/_/ (_(_X_(`   For GPS and GPS/PDAs