hi all
i am going to buy a laptop. i have two in my mind, asus a8js and asus a8jp. asus a8js has nvidia go 7700 vga card, while asus a8jp has Ati mobility radeon x1700. i wanted to ask u which vga card is better because apart from this, nearly everything is same. so the bottom line is that which vga card is better ati's mobility x1700 or the nvidia's go 7700. please reply soon. thanks.

I couldnt find much info on the X1700 because its new or not out yet.

But its abt the exact same as the Go 7700, except that the Go 7700 has an 80nm core. Its the first card on earth with an 80nm core. This means that it can overclock much higher, but since its a laptop and u cant really overclock very high inside that small of a case, the 80nm core is wasted.

Sine they both have pretty much the same core, if not the exact same, all that matters are the clock speeds, wich u can overclock, so they dont really matter either.

http://www.gpureview.com/GeForce-Go-7700-card-457.html

One of the few extensive benchmarks out there, but still in the early stages;

http://nb.intozgc.com/098/98741.html

Use a language tool if you wanna read the review.

The GO7700 outperforms the X1700, thanks in part to 4 more shader units than the plain GO7600 (which was even with the X1600), it's essentially a 80nm refresh of the rare and almost exclusive Sony GO7600GT which was a 12 shader unit part, unlike the plain 8 unit GF7600.

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Dude, you're wrong on so many levels. 8O

G7700 is totally different than the X1700, and the 80nm is not wasted it helps make the chip cheaper, and without issue it makes the chip potentially run cooler and more efficiently.

The X1650P was to market as 80nm before the GO7700 was.

And the X1700 it's already selling too, which is probably why the OP asked.

As for performance, you're wrong there too, as the GO7700 outperforms the X1700 in most tasks.

IMO nV's got the edge in the high end, and they've just taken the middle away from the X1600 (which was faster than a desktop pro, but slower than an XT, and was only slightly[very slightly] better than the plain GO7600, but below the rare GT). Now the GO7700 makes their 12 shader solution the standard.

The MRX1700 is a dissapointment many of us were expecting an X1650XT type of chip, not just a strained X1600 refresh.

Every post he makes is like that

Being cheaper to make dosent mean much for the consumer.
Its cooler because the clocks are lower.

There is no card called X1650P, maybe u mean the X1650 Pro, wich has a 90nm core.
http://www.gpureview.com/Radeon-X1 [...] d-447.html

Alright, i didnt know if it was or not, as i could not find much information abt it.

I cant prove u wrong, but can u prove me wrong?
They have the same core, so if u say that the 7700 is better, then that means that the X1700's clocks are lower.


I hope ive answered all of ur questions.
Chris

Its also cooler because the smaller transistors require less voltage, and less voltage exponentially (probably not quite but I like that word, it makes me sound smart ) reduces heat output.

Being cheaper to producee translates into a lower minimum cost, and therefore a reduction in prices. That's why desktops and laptops cost a fraction of what they used to 'reduced costs', so you're wrong.

As for cooler because of lower clocks, the GO7600 and GO7700 have the same clocks, only the GT has higher speeds.

So you want to defend your error with questioning the acronym, WEAK!

Oh and BTW I see your lame review and raise you one with an actual view of the chip;

http://www.elitebastards.com/cms/i [...] mitstart=1

"Finally, here's the RV535 core that powers the Radeon X1650 PRO in all its naked glory. You can see the effect on die size by the transition to 80nm here - RV530, which powers Radeon X1600 boards, is 150mm², compared to the 130mm² die on show here."

There are may out there that are left over X1600XTs, but also those that are true RV535s / X1650Ps or X1650 Pro to you.

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Yeah READ the FAQin review I posted just up above, dumbA$$!

Where do you get the idea they have the same core?

They are completely different cores, as for speeds the standard X1700 is clocked higher (no word on a GO7700GT) which doesn't make up for the fewer ROPs which favours the GO 7700 architecture. Of course if they were the same core there would be no difference, and there are many (ROPs, Texture Units, and FP support to list a few)

They are very different, just like the GF7600 and X1600 desktop parts are totally different.

then the bottom line is that nvidia go 7700 is much better than ati mobility radeon x1700. now do any of u know when will Asus a8js will be launched? and if u can, can u please find a link where it is sold cuase i cant find any currently. thanks.

Depends on what yo're using it for, but yes for gaming GO7700>MRX1700.

MRX1700 has more features, but for most people they won't be as important.

Yeah I haven't seen the S recently only the P.

However check out NotebookReviews.com their forums usually have alot of good info about the latest stuff. I joined an convo about the P a few weeks ago by request, and noticed they have a good selection of people with new laptops out there, quite a global reader base and thus good access to products upon launch.

Check there, there's a few people who've gottent their hands on them so you'd have to find out how/where. I haven't seen them locally, but I'm waiting until after Xmas to buy.

HEhe I found a gltch in the forum Software.