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I was searching for a price on XP pro and came across a site that had some
good prices. But it said if COA was needed to buy a different item. Ad said
that product ID to load was included. Something wrong with this?
I emailed for info but never heard back. Is the COA required for
registering? and isn't it required to keep XP running?

Norman

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If it doesn't have a COA then it's not genuine. See here:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources [...] fault.mspx

The main problem in dealing with these suppliers is that you pay your money
and they just don't deliver. At least that's what I'm told ;-)
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"E_Net_Rider" <E_Net_Rider@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I was searching for a price on XP pro and came across a site that had some
> good prices. But it said if COA was needed to buy a different item. Ad
> said
> that product ID to load was included. Something wrong with this?
> I emailed for info but never heard back. Is the COA required for
> registering? and isn't it required to keep XP running?
>
> Norman
>
>

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They are tossing XP out at super cheap prices where
I live, (retailers) I guess its already run its course and attention
is going to be given to 'LongHorn'.

...Rex..

"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
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> If it doesn't have a COA then it's not genuine. See here:
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources [...] fault.mspx
>
> The main problem in dealing with these suppliers is that you pay your
money
> and they just don't deliver. At least that's what I'm told ;-)
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> "E_Net_Rider" <E_Net_Rider@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eVGdjeGfFHA.2372@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >I was searching for a price on XP pro and came across a site that had
some
> > good prices. But it said if COA was needed to buy a different item. Ad
> > said
> > that product ID to load was included. Something wrong with this?
> > I emailed for info but never heard back. Is the COA required for
> > registering? and isn't it required to keep XP running?
> >
> > Norman
> >
> >
>
>

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It sure did smell funny to me and that's why I had to ask about it. One note
is that they claim the cheap price is because it is an OEM dumped from Dell.
Seems to me that OEM don't always include a certificate of authenticity.
Norman

"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
news:eskUdoGfFHA.3448@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> If it doesn't have a COA then it's not genuine. See here:
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources [...] fault.mspx
>
> The main problem in dealing with these suppliers is that you pay your
money
> and they just don't deliver. At least that's what I'm told ;-)
> --
> Jeff Richards
> MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> "E_Net_Rider" <E_Net_Rider@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eVGdjeGfFHA.2372@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> >I was searching for a price on XP pro and came across a site that had
some
> > good prices. But it said if COA was needed to buy a different item. Ad
> > said
> > that product ID to load was included. Something wrong with this?
> > I emailed for info but never heard back. Is the COA required for
> > registering? and isn't it required to keep XP running?
> >
> > Norman
> >
> >
>
>

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How much is super cheap?
I have been considering Pro, but haven't really found advice as to whether
it is worth the extra money.
Norman
"Rex" <Rex@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uA6x4rJfFHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> They are tossing XP out at super cheap prices where
> I live, (retailers) I guess its already run its course and attention
> is going to be given to 'LongHorn'.
>
> ..Rex..
>
> "Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
> news:eskUdoGfFHA.3448@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > If it doesn't have a COA then it's not genuine. See here:
> > http://www.microsoft.com/resources [...] fault.mspx
> >
> > The main problem in dealing with these suppliers is that you pay your
> money
> > and they just don't deliver. At least that's what I'm told ;-)
> > --
> > Jeff Richards
> > MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
> > "E_Net_Rider" <E_Net_Rider@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:eVGdjeGfFHA.2372@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> > >I was searching for a price on XP pro and came across a site that had
> some
> > > good prices. But it said if COA was needed to buy a different item. Ad
> > > said
> > > that product ID to load was included. Something wrong with this?
> > > I emailed for info but never heard back. Is the COA required for
> > > registering? and isn't it required to keep XP running?
> > >
> > > Norman
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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E_Net_Rider wrote:
> How much is super cheap?
> I have been considering Pro, but haven't really found advice as to whether
> it is worth the extra money.
> Norman
> "Rex" <Rex@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uA6x4rJfFHA.3316@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>
>>They are tossing XP out at super cheap prices where
>>I live, (retailers) I guess its already run its course and attention
>>is going to be given to 'LongHorn'.
>>
>>..Rex..
>>
>>"Jeff Richards" <JRichards@msn.com.au> wrote in message
>>news:eskUdoGfFHA.3448@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>>
>>>If it doesn't have a COA then it's not genuine. See here:
>>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/howtotell/ww/default.mspx
>>>
>>>The main problem in dealing with these suppliers is that you pay your
>>
>>money
>>
>>>and they just don't deliver. At least that's what I'm told ;-)
>>>--
>>>Jeff Richards
>>>MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
>>>"E_Net_Rider" <E_Net_Rider@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:eVGdjeGfFHA.2372@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>>I was searching for a price on XP pro and came across a site that had
>>>
>>some
>>
>>>>good prices. But it said if COA was needed to buy a different item. Ad
>>>>said
>>>>that product ID to load was included. Something wrong with this?
>>>>I emailed for info but never heard back. Is the COA required for
>>>>registering? and isn't it required to keep XP running?
>>>>
>>>>Norman

Hypothesis:
It don't matter where you beg, borrow, download, buy, steal the CD and
the bits thereon.
What matters is that you have a legal COA with which to register it.
True? False?
mike


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mike wrote:

> What matters is that you have a legal COA with which to register it.
> True? False?
> mike
>
>
False!!!
It is NOT the permissions that affect your usage of a tool but your
"expertise" of using it.
If you are on the level of "Mommie! Help me!" than play different games.
("Duplo" and advance slowly to "Lego" ).

Have fun

Stanislaw
Slack user from Ulladulla.

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Not quite. Registration doesn't affect your use of XP. However XP requires
activation, and if it's not activated it will stop working. Exactly what is
required to ensure effective activation could only be answered by the
experts in the XP newsgroups. The COA is your tangible evidence of an
authentic (ie, not copied) product.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"mike" <spamme0@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> E_Net_Rider wrote:
> snip <
>
> What matters is that you have a legal COA with which to register it.
> True? False?
> mike
>

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I would have thought that's the type of question answered at the site I
referred you to, but perhaps not.

Try asking in an XP newsgroup - they know the details. If possible, identify
the www site where you found the offer.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"E_Net_Rider" <E_Net_Rider@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> It sure did smell funny to me and that's why I had to ask about it. One
> note
> is that they claim the cheap price is because it is an OEM dumped from
> Dell.
> Seems to me that OEM don't always include a certificate of authenticity.
> Norman

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Jeff Richards wrote:
> Not quite. Registration doesn't affect your use of XP. However XP requires
> activation, and if it's not activated it will stop working. Exactly what is
> required to ensure effective activation could only be answered by the
> experts in the XP newsgroups. The COA is your tangible evidence of an
> authentic (ie, not copied) product.

My COA is evidence that I have a COA. If it is "valid" including, but
not necessarily limited to being "legally acquired in accordance with
the licencing terms", and being accepted by M$ for activation, I should
be good to go.

Whether the bits came from a CD manufactured with holographic images
by M$, was pirated off the internet, or typed in by monkeys should be
irrelevant. As long as you have that "valid" COA (and a shotgun),
ain't nobody gonna try to tell you you can't use the bits.

Just to be clear, I used the word "valid".
What you buy off the internet may or may not be valid.

My original statement stands. Never, EVER upgrade hardware, software,
your automobile, your spouse, nothing...unless it won't do something
that you absolutely must have. The grass is always gonna be greener...
mike

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"E_Net_Rider" <E_Net_Rider@hotmail.com> wrote:

>How much is super cheap?
>I have been considering Pro, but haven't really found advice as to whether
>it is worth the extra money.

Considering Pro in what context?

XP Pro as an upgrade/alternative to XP Home is only really relevant if
you have a known or anticipated need for one of the features or
functions that are found only in XP Pro and which are not included
with XP Home.

Other than these items the two versions are identical and they are
compiled from the same source code base. In particular there is zero
difference in performance or stability between the two versions.

To see the specific differences between XP Pro and XP Home try the
following web sites:http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp [...] osing2.asp
http://www.winsupersite.com/showca [...] me_pro.asp
One additional difference, which is not specifically mentioned on the
above sites, is that in a peer-to-peer network configuration XP Home
only allows 5 concurrent logins to a shared network resource whereas
XP Pro allows 10.

Good luck


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
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"Rex" <Rex@hotmail.com> wrote:

>They are tossing XP out at super cheap prices where
>I live, (retailers) I guess its already run its course and attention
>is going to be given to 'LongHorn'.
>

Somebody is in for a long wait then, because Longhorn has yet to even
begin widespread beta testing. Most pundits are anticipating that
Longhorn may reach the market by the fall of 2006.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
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In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
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"E_Net_Rider" <E_Net_Rider@hotmail.com> wrote:

>It sure did smell funny to me and that's why I had to ask about it. One note
>is that they claim the cheap price is because it is an OEM dumped from Dell.
>Seems to me that OEM don't always include a certificate of authenticity.
>Norman

Dell OEM versions, except perhaps the very first ones they shipped in
2001, are "BIOS locked" which means they are self-activating provided
the computer is using a Dell motherboard & BIOS.

These BIOS Locked OEM versions used to be able to be activated over
the Internet or manually by telephone but as of March 1, 2005 that is
no longer possible except perhaps in the most extraordinary
circumstances.


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--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
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The COA has nothing to do with activation. You could have a valid COA
(indicating that you have a genuine copy of Windows) but you might run into
activation problems if someone else has already activated your copy of
Windows. Similarly, you might have lost your COA, so you can't prove your
copy of Windows is genuine, but that won't affect whether or not you can
activate it. The rest of your comments aren't relevant to anything I said.
--
Jeff Richards
MS MVP (Windows - Shell/User)
"mike" <spamme0@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:42C4703F.8050803@netscape.net...
> snip <
>
> My COA is evidence that I have a COA. If it is "valid" including, but not
> necessarily limited to being "legally acquired in accordance with the
> licencing terms", and being accepted by M$ for activation, I should be
> good to go.
>
> Whether the bits came from a CD manufactured with holographic images
> by M$, was pirated off the internet, or typed in by monkeys should be
> irrelevant. As long as you have that "valid" COA (and a shotgun),
> ain't nobody gonna try to tell you you can't use the bits.
>
> Just to be clear, I used the word "valid".
> What you buy off the internet may or may not be valid.
>
> My original statement stands. Never, EVER upgrade hardware, software,
> your automobile, your spouse, nothing...unless it won't do something that
> you absolutely must have. The grass is always gonna be greener...
> mike
>
> --
> Return address is VALID but some sites block emails
> with links. Delete this sig when replying.
> .
> Wanted, PCMCIA SCSI Card for HP m820 CDRW.
> FS 500MHz Tek DSOscilloscope TDS540 Make Offer
> Wanted 12" LCD for Compaq Armada 7770MT.
> Bunch of stuff For Sale and Wanted at the link below.
> MAKE THE OBVIOUS CHANGES TO THE LINK
> ht<removethis>tp://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Monitor/4710/
>

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Thanks Guys for the input. I wasn't ignoring the thread, just had the reason
for considering the move rear its ugly head again.
Down for several days with a marginal system. Finally bit the bullet and
reinstalled 98SE. Something must have gotten stepped on that OL98 didn't
like as it would lock the system during opening. Turned out that it seems to
have been an update to SE because all was well once I ran the unofficial SP.
At least for awhile, as there seems to be some bug when opening OE6 by
itself and not news mode from within OL98, when OL98 is running. After
several minutes a lock will occur. Foolish me, I thought I'd just get away
with it this time, long enough to set up the Comcast news server change.
But that wasn't bad enough. I recently acquired Ghost and Partition Magic.
And browning the readable files I forgot that I left it in the drawer. It
apparently tried to boot from something on the CD and ended up with blue
screen locks about the CD drivers.
Too much fun. More later gentlemen, after I get a chance to investigate the
details.
Norman

"Ron Martell" <ron.martell@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "E_Net_Rider" <E_Net_Rider@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >It sure did smell funny to me and that's why I had to ask about it. One
note
> >is that they claim the cheap price is because it is an OEM dumped from
Dell.
> >Seems to me that OEM don't always include a certificate of authenticity.
> >Norman
>
> Dell OEM versions, except perhaps the very first ones they shipped in
> 2001, are "BIOS locked" which means they are self-activating provided
> the computer is using a Dell motherboard & BIOS.
>
> These BIOS Locked OEM versions used to be able to be activated over
> the Internet or manually by telephone but as of March 1, 2005 that is
> no longer possible except perhaps in the most extraordinary
> circumstances.
>
>
> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
> --
> Microsoft MVP
> On-Line Help Computer Service
> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
>
> In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
> http://aumha.org/alex.htm