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On a Windows 98SE system, after IE6SP1 was installed, the OS freeze for
about 1 minute after deleting many files on Windows Explorer. This problem
was noted on many different configurations and even on Windows ME.

Does anyone know a way to solve this?

Regards,

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This was very recently discussed yet again, in this group, if you search the
messages over the past few weeks. It seems to be a by-product of upgrading to IE6
or IE6 SP1, and generally happens when a relatively large number of files are
deleted at one time (~1400 to 1500).

See here for more info --
Win9x Explorer vs. Bulk File Ops:
http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.microsoft.com/communiti [...] fault.mspx


"junior" <abuse@antispam.org.br> wrote in message
newswsmMCKQFHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> On a Windows 98SE system, after IE6SP1 was installed, the OS freeze for
> about 1 minute after deleting many files on Windows Explorer. This problem
> was noted on many different configurations and even on Windows ME.
>
> Does anyone know a way to solve this?
>
> Regards,
>
>
>

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You have two choices: You can do what someone else here is bound to
suggest, i.e. move a couple of DLL files from the System folder to the
Internet Explorer folder and then put older versions of those same DLL
files (from IE 5.5) into the System folder, thereby probably breaking
whatever unknown and uncounted security patches were effected by the
upgrade...

Or you can simply remember not to do large file manipulations
(deletions, copies, moves) using Windows Explorer. It's an issue that is
well-known, and while there is a cadre of hard-core 98 fans trying to
get MS to fix the problem, I seriously doubt *that* will ever happen.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"junior" <abuse@antispam.org.br> wrote in message
newswsmMCKQFHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> On a Windows 98SE system, after IE6SP1 was installed, the OS freeze
for
> about 1 minute after deleting many files on Windows Explorer. This
problem
> was noted on many different configurations and even on Windows ME.
>
> Does anyone know a way to solve this?
>
> Regards,
>
>
>

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BTW, in addition to the somewhat questionable "solution" reported on Chris' web
page, and Gary's suggestion of simply *not* deleting so many files at once, you can
mass delete files from a DOS prompt (DOS box in Windows) using the DOS command, DEL,
and there will not be any freeze problem. It only occurs if you delete in Windows
Explorer/My Computer/Folder window.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
http://www.microsoft.com/communiti [...] fault.mspx

"junior" <abuse@antispam.org.br> wrote in message
newswsmMCKQFHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> On a Windows 98SE system, after IE6SP1 was installed, the OS freeze for
> about 1 minute after deleting many files on Windows Explorer. This problem
> was noted on many different configurations and even on Windows ME.
>
> Does anyone know a way to solve this?
>
> Regards,
>
>
>

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junior wrote:
> On a Windows 98SE system, after IE6SP1 was installed, the OS freeze for
> about 1 minute after deleting many files on Windows Explorer. This problem
> was noted on many different configurations and even on Windows ME.
>
> Does anyone know a way to solve this?
>
> Regards,

Hi junior,

Trust me, we feel your pain. It's been doing that every since IE6x came out
for 9x users. It's been talked about ever since then but moreso lately has
been realized by some of the prominent MVP's of this group. Many users
just don't consistently delete 1500 files at once to see it happen
consistently, and when the occasional deleter does see it and when it stalls
out on them when it's done deleting, many just think it's a fluke and reboot
and never report it to those that have the power to persuade those that are
in the 'project manger seat' to say 'fix it'

If all the W98x users actually knew that they have this problem being related
to IE6x, and they all reported it as it's been suggested by MVPs' even at
this late date that you still report the issues by calling 1 (866) PCSAFETY.
If everyone called them in quantity and reported it - let's all at least be
hopeful it would still get properly fixed in some way.

Glee and Gary spoke to it already and where you can read about it here
http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm and also you can read about it at even an
older (not updated since Oct, 2003) website here
http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm

I do not advocate swapping dlls backwards for the reasons Gary pointed out
and more, although doing it does offer limited relief, but imho it's
unacceptable in principle to have to do it that way.

I do support MS fixing the problem though because it is more widespread that
anyone can imagine, and it is a major flaw surly ranking high on the list to
be consistently obstinate enough to warrant a fix

Rick

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I would like to thank all the replies, and ask if some of you received any
info about this issue from Microsoft?

Any known problem caused by the DLLs switch?


"Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
news:#eiJFePQFHA.2520@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> junior wrote:
> > On a Windows 98SE system, after IE6SP1 was installed, the OS freeze for
> > about 1 minute after deleting many files on Windows Explorer. This
problem
> > was noted on many different configurations and even on Windows ME.
> >
> > Does anyone know a way to solve this?
> >
> > Regards,
>
> Hi junior,
>
> Trust me, we feel your pain. It's been doing that every since IE6x came
out
> for 9x users. It's been talked about ever since then but moreso lately has
> been realized by some of the prominent MVP's of this group. Many users
> just don't consistently delete 1500 files at once to see it happen
> consistently, and when the occasional deleter does see it and when it
stalls
> out on them when it's done deleting, many just think it's a fluke and
reboot
> and never report it to those that have the power to persuade those that
are
> in the 'project manger seat' to say 'fix it'
>
> If all the W98x users actually knew that they have this problem being
related
> to IE6x, and they all reported it as it's been suggested by MVPs' even at
> this late date that you still report the issues by calling 1 (866)
PCSAFETY.
> If everyone called them in quantity and reported it - let's all at least
be
> hopeful it would still get properly fixed in some way.
>
> Glee and Gary spoke to it already and where you can read about it here
> http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm and also you can read about it at even
an
> older (not updated since Oct, 2003) website here
> http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
>
> I do not advocate swapping dlls backwards for the reasons Gary pointed out
> and more, although doing it does offer limited relief, but imho it's
> unacceptable in principle to have to do it that way.
>
> I do support MS fixing the problem though because it is more widespread
that
> anyone can imagine, and it is a major flaw surly ranking high on the list
to
> be consistently obstinate enough to warrant a fix
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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"junior" <abuse@antispam.org.br> wrote in message newswsmMCKQFHA.2580@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> On a Windows 98SE system, after IE6SP1 was installed, the OS freeze for
> about 1 minute after deleting many files on Windows Explorer. This problem
> was noted on many different configurations and even on Windows ME.
>
> Does anyone know a way to solve this?
>
> Regards,
>


Although the desktop freezes up, I can usually still select "Log Off" from the
Start Menu, then log straight back on to re-start Explorer (providing I haven't
attempted to delete any further files after the first occurance - which can
cause a complete lock-up).

Regards,

Mel.

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"All systems go..." over here (even after the DLL switch). (But I'm not
taking in all the windows updates, either).

So far, I haven't read here of any clearly defined problems with the DLL
switch, except, of course, you're not going to be as up to date, security
wise.

(And btw, I don't think you have to delete 1500 files to see the problem.
That figure is overinflated).

junior wrote:
> I would like to thank all the replies, and ask if some of you received any
> info about this issue from Microsoft?
>
> Any known problem caused by the DLLs switch?
>
>
> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
> news:#eiJFePQFHA.2520@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> junior wrote:
>>> On a Windows 98SE system, after IE6SP1 was installed, the OS freeze for
>>> about 1 minute after deleting many files on Windows Explorer. This
problem
>>> was noted on many different configurations and even on Windows ME.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know a way to solve this?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>
>> Hi junior,
>>
>> Trust me, we feel your pain. It's been doing that every since IE6x came
out
>> for 9x users. It's been talked about ever since then but moreso lately
has
>> been realized by some of the prominent MVP's of this group. Many users
>> just don't consistently delete 1500 files at once to see it happen
>> consistently, and when the occasional deleter does see it and when it
stalls
>> out on them when it's done deleting, many just think it's a fluke and
reboot
>> and never report it to those that have the power to persuade those that
are
>> in the 'project manger seat' to say 'fix it'
>>
>> If all the W98x users actually knew that they have this problem being
related
>> to IE6x, and they all reported it as it's been suggested by MVPs' even at
>> this late date that you still report the issues by calling 1 (866)
PCSAFETY.
>> If everyone called them in quantity and reported it - let's all at least
be
>> hopeful it would still get properly fixed in some way.
>>
>> Glee and Gary spoke to it already and where you can read about it here
>> http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm and also you can read about it at even
an
>> older (not updated since Oct, 2003) website here
>> http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
>>
>> I do not advocate swapping dlls backwards for the reasons Gary pointed
out
>> and more, although doing it does offer limited relief, but imho it's
>> unacceptable in principle to have to do it that way.
>>
>> I do support MS fixing the problem though because it is more widespread
that
>> anyone can imagine, and it is a major flaw surly ranking high on the list
to
>> be consistently obstinate enough to warrant a fix
>>
>> Rick

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junior wrote:
> I would like to thank all the replies, and ask if some of you received any
> info about this issue from Microsoft?
>
> Any known problem caused by the DLLs switch?

junior,
It's been a year or so since I ran the 5.5 dlls in IE6, but after that I just
went back to IE5.5SP2 for a while instead, but to answer your question yes I
have noticed minor issues after using the dll swap for quite some time, and
it's been a while but recalling from memory it was something to do when
opening drives or folders that had lot's of files in it I would notice the
icons for those files each time taking a split second as one by one
they assimilated themselves - something like that (yes my icon cache was
clean etc etc - believe me it was a direct reflection of the dll swap and
putting the right dlls back whatever those little problems were did not
happen anymore and so was proof positive) ..and there was one or two other
slight oddities that convinced for me that the dll swap was a hack I was
not anymore comfortable with, and perplexed that 2 years went by and it
wasn't being fixed - I wanted to move forward instead.

Honestly, the reasons that Gary and also everyone has previously mentioned
all combined together as to all the reasons why it's best not to swap dlls
backwards and is just not appropriate ultimately - however yes it's true - it
does work. I do support those whom want to do it and I see their frustration
that they shouldn't have to do that - but I also think it is better served if
we all put the effort into going forward with a positive can do attitude
toward getting the current dlls or problem professionally repaired for the
rest of the world that use 9x.

Rick




> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
> news:#eiJFePQFHA.2520@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>> junior wrote:
>> > On a Windows 98SE system, after IE6SP1 was installed, the OS freeze for
>> > about 1 minute after deleting many files on Windows Explorer. This
>> > problem was noted on many different configurations and even on Windows
>> > ME.
>> >
>> > Does anyone know a way to solve this?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>>
>> Hi junior,
>>
>> Trust me, we feel your pain. It's been doing that every since IE6x came
>> out for 9x users. It's been talked about ever since then but moreso
>> lately has been realized by some of the prominent MVP's of this group.
>> Many users just don't consistently delete 1500 files at once to see it
>> happen consistently, and when the occasional deleter does see it and when
>> it stalls out on them when it's done deleting, many just think it's a
>> fluke and reboot and never report it to those that have the power to
>> persuade those that are in the 'project manger seat' to say 'fix it'
>>
>> If all the W98x users actually knew that they have this problem being
>> related to IE6x, and they all reported it as it's been suggested by MVPs'
>> even at this late date that you still report the issues by calling 1
>> (866) PCSAFETY. If everyone called them in quantity and reported it -
>> let's all at least be hopeful it would still get properly fixed in some
>> way.
>>
>> Glee and Gary spoke to it already and where you can read about it here
>> http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm and also you can read about it at even
>> an older (not updated since Oct, 2003) website here
>> http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
>>
>> I do not advocate swapping dlls backwards for the reasons Gary pointed out
>> and more, although doing it does offer limited relief, but imho it's
>> unacceptable in principle to have to do it that way.
>>
>> I do support MS fixing the problem though because it is more widespread
>> that anyone can imagine, and it is a major flaw surly ranking high on the
>> list to be consistently obstinate enough to warrant a fix
>>
>> Rick

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Bill in Co. wrote:
> "All systems go..." over here (even after the DLL switch). (But I'm not
> taking in all the windows updates, either).
>
> So far, I haven't read here of any clearly defined problems with the DLL
> switch, except, of course, you're not going to be as up to date, security
> wise.
>
> (And btw, I don't think you have to delete 1500 files to see the problem.
> That figure is overinflated).

Yes as it has been talked about many many times, yes anything can cause it to
happen, even just deleting a few files or a single random simple process will
occasionally and randomly set it off too, occasionally, but the point of
saying up front that it takes deleting about 1500 files to do it is because
that is a 'known' and proven way that the issue can be triggered each and
every single time 'instantly' ..and so that figure is used as a known factor
in testing or explaining about it. cquirkes webpage now covers most all of
the other little idiosyncrasies.

Rick


> junior wrote:
>> I would like to thank all the replies, and ask if some of you received any
>> info about this issue from Microsoft?
>>
>> Any known problem caused by the DLLs switch?
>>
>>
>> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
>> news:#eiJFePQFHA.2520@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> junior wrote:
>>>> On a Windows 98SE system, after IE6SP1 was installed, the OS freeze for
>>>> about 1 minute after deleting many files on Windows Explorer. This
>>>> problem was noted on many different configurations and even on Windows
>>>> ME.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know a way to solve this?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Hi junior,
>>>
>>> Trust me, we feel your pain. It's been doing that every since IE6x came
>>> out for 9x users. It's been talked about ever since then but moreso
>>> lately has been realized by some of the prominent MVP's of this group.
>>> Many users just don't consistently delete 1500 files at once to see it
>>> happen consistently, and when the occasional deleter does see it and
>>> when it stalls out on them when it's done deleting, many just think it's
>>> a fluke and reboot and never report it to those that have the power to
>>> persuade those that are in the 'project manger seat' to say 'fix it'
>>>
>>> If all the W98x users actually knew that they have this problem being
>>> related to IE6x, and they all reported it as it's been suggested by
>>> MVPs' even at this late date that you still report the issues by calling
>>> 1 (866) PCSAFETY. If everyone called them in quantity and reported it -
>>> let's all at least be hopeful it would still get properly fixed in some
>>> way.
>>>
>>> Glee and Gary spoke to it already and where you can read about it here
>>> http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm and also you can read about it at even
>>> an older (not updated since Oct, 2003) website here
>>> http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
>>>
>>> I do not advocate swapping dlls backwards for the reasons Gary pointed
>>> out and more, although doing it does offer limited relief, but imho it's
>>> unacceptable in principle to have to do it that way.
>>>
>>> I do support MS fixing the problem though because it is more widespread
>>> that anyone can imagine, and it is a major flaw surly ranking high on
>>> the list to be consistently obstinate enough to warrant a fix
>>>
>>> Rick

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Mel wrote:

> Although the desktop freezes up, I can usually still select "Log Off" from
> the Start Menu, then log straight back on to re-start Explorer (providing I
> haven't attempted to delete any further files after the first occurance -
which
> can cause a complete lock-up).
>
> Regards,
>
> Mel.

That's an interesting tidbit Mel - I've never tried it that way with log off
since I have always have TweakUI set to not show logoff on my start menu, but
for gp I will set TweakUI to put it back and try it right now.

Yes by golly your are right Mel - that does reset it after the hang happens,
and so from now on I will leave my log off icon there now and just use that
when it happens because that is a lot quicker than a reboot. You know now
that I think about it was maybe glee but definitely it was cquirk and his
website does mention one can reset it too by closing and restoring Explorer,
and so logoff surly is doing the same thing.

thanks for posting

Rick

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Rick Chauvin wrote:
> junior wrote:
>> I would like to thank all the replies, and ask if some of you received
any
>> info about this issue from Microsoft?
>>
>> Any known problem caused by the DLLs switch?
>
> junior,
> It's been a year or so since I ran the 5.5 dlls in IE6, but after that I
just
> went back to IE5.5SP2 for a while instead, but to answer your question yes
I
> have noticed minor issues after using the dll swap for quite some time,
and
> it's been a while but recalling from memory it was something to do when
> opening drives or folders that had lot's of files in it I would notice the
> icons for those files each time taking a split second as one by one
> they assimilated themselves - something like that (yes my icon cache was
> clean etc etc - believe me it was a direct reflection of the dll swap and

That hasn't happened to me at least yet, after all this time. But when the
ShelLiconcache is filled or being rebuilt, I know what ya mean...

> putting the right dlls back whatever those little problems were did not
> happen anymore and so was proof positive) ..and there was one or two other
> slight oddities that convinced for me that the dll swap was a hack I was

They must have been pretty minor, or you'd probably remember them, I'd
guess. Haven't noticed any such oddities over here yet.

> not anymore comfortable with, and perplexed that 2 years went by and it
> wasn't being fixed - I wanted to move forward instead.
>
> Honestly, the reasons that Gary and also everyone has previously mentioned
> all combined together as to all the reasons why it's best not to swap dlls
> backwards and is just not appropriate ultimately - however yes it's true -
it
> does work. I do support those whom want to do it and I see their
frustration
> that they shouldn't have to do that - but I also think it is better served
if
> we all put the effort into going forward with a positive can do attitude
> toward getting the current dlls or problem professionally repaired for the
> rest of the world that use 9x.

But Rick, let's be realistic and pragmatic here - that ain't going happen.

So, if you do much work in Windows Explorer, I'd say go for the patch.
(Unless that "one minute hangup" doesn't bother you. But I'm not going to
put up with that, and that's for damn sure)!

> Rick
>
>
>
>
>> "Rick Chauvin" <justask@nospamz.com> wrote in message
>> news:#eiJFePQFHA.2520@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
>>> junior wrote:
>>>> On a Windows 98SE system, after IE6SP1 was installed, the OS freeze for
>>>> about 1 minute after deleting many files on Windows Explorer. This
>>>> problem was noted on many different configurations and even on Windows
>>>> ME.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know a way to solve this?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Hi junior,
>>>
>>> Trust me, we feel your pain. It's been doing that every since IE6x came
>>> out for 9x users. It's been talked about ever since then but moreso
>>> lately has been realized by some of the prominent MVP's of this group.
>>> Many users just don't consistently delete 1500 files at once to see it
>>> happen consistently, and when the occasional deleter does see it and
when
>>> it stalls out on them when it's done deleting, many just think it's a
>>> fluke and reboot and never report it to those that have the power to
>>> persuade those that are in the 'project manger seat' to say 'fix it'
>>>
>>> If all the W98x users actually knew that they have this problem being
>>> related to IE6x, and they all reported it as it's been suggested by
MVPs'
>>> even at this late date that you still report the issues by calling 1
>>> (866) PCSAFETY. If everyone called them in quantity and reported it -
>>> let's all at least be hopeful it would still get properly fixed in some
>>> way.
>>>
>>> Glee and Gary spoke to it already and where you can read about it here
>>> http://cquirke.mvps.org/bexp1.htm and also you can read about it at even
>>> an older (not updated since Oct, 2003) website here
>>> http://www.frankprovo.com/win98ie6filesproblem.htm
>>>
>>> I do not advocate swapping dlls backwards for the reasons Gary pointed
out
>>> and more, although doing it does offer limited relief, but imho it's
>>> unacceptable in principle to have to do it that way.
>>>
>>> I do support MS fixing the problem though because it is more widespread
>>> that anyone can imagine, and it is a major flaw surly ranking high on
the
>>> list to be consistently obstinate enough to warrant a fix
>>>
>>> Rick