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What's going to happen to Win98 users when Microsoft no longer supports Win98
after this June!? What exactly will it mean to casual users like me? Are we
going to be abandoned?

I have Win98 on a PII machine, and it continues to run beautifully for my
high speed Internet and multimedia work. To me it would be a real shame if it
suddenly became obsolete through the simple stroke of Bill Gates' pen. My
preference would be to continue using Win98 until my PC actually died,
especially since I'm a pensioner who can't afford frequent jumps from one
level of technology to the next "flavour of the month" that I won't ever need
or use if I live to be 150.

Does anyone know of any possible work-arounds or other user-community
strategies so that some of us may continue in the future to rely on Win98 for
safe and secure Internet and multimedia work? Is there anyone out there who
could please "set me straight" on this issue?
--
Tx ... Murphil

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Extended support for Win9x (Win98, Win98SE and WinME) ends 30 June-2006, not
2005.

FYI:

Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium Support
Extended:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifean1

Also:

<quote>
Paid incident support is now available through 30-Jun-2006. Extended hotfix
support for Windows 98 and Windows 98 Second Edition ended on 30-Jun-2003.
Extended hotfix support for Windows Millennium ended on 31-Dec-2003. Online
self-help support will continue to be available until at least 30-Jun-2007.
For additional information on the type and length of support provided,
review the Windows 98, Windows 98 Second Edition, and Windows Millennium
Support Extended Announcement Web site. Critical security updates will be
provided on the Windows Update site through June 30, 2006. Microsoft will
not publicly release non-critical security hotfixes for Windows 98, Windows
98 Second Edition, or Windows Millennium Edition. However, customers may
request a non-critical security hotfix through On-Demand Security Hotfix
support, which is offered for these products through June 30, 2006. When a
request is received, Microsoft will investigate the issue and try to provide
an appropriate response to the customer.
</quote>
Source: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];LifeWin
(Footnote 17)
--
~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)
MS MVP-Windows (Shell, IE/OE) & Security


Murphil wrote:
> What's going to happen to Win98 users when Microsoft no longer supports
> Win98 after this June!? What exactly will it mean to casual users like
> me? Are we going to be abandoned?
>
> I have Win98 on a PII machine, and it continues to run beautifully for my
> high speed Internet and multimedia work. To me it would be a real shame
> if it suddenly became obsolete through the simple stroke of Bill Gates'
> pen. My preference would be to continue using Win98 until my PC actually
> died, especially since I'm a pensioner who can't afford frequent jumps
> from one level of technology to the next "flavour of the month" that I
> won't ever need or use if I live to be 150.
>
> Does anyone know of any possible work-arounds or other user-community
> strategies so that some of us may continue in the future to rely on Win98
> for safe and secure Internet and multimedia work? Is there anyone out
> there who could please "set me straight" on this issue?

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In news:F654C1C2-0436-4775-A413-07BC076D8804@microsoft.com,
Murphil <Murphil@discussions.microsoft.com> had this to say:


> What's going to happen to Win98 users when Microsoft no longer
> supports Win98 after this June!? What exactly will it mean to casual
> users like me? Are we going to be abandoned?

Support is extended until June 30, 2006 which is over a year away. It does
mean that Microsoft will be abandoning you in those words but there will be
plenty of online communities which you'll be able to visit and they'll
surely have work arounds for the latest security threats and will continue
to help people. There's a lot of online computer forums and message boards
that you can find through a search engine. You have over a year to prepare
for this so you have time to look in a search engine to find the ones that
meet your requirements.

Windows 98, like all good things, must come to an end and make way for new
and improved things. Just like you can't buy very many OEM parts for a 1971
Dodge Dart you'll no longer be able to get support for 98 just as you can't
get support for 95 or 3.1 today. Mind you the Dart was an excellent
automobile just like 98 is a great operating system but newer systems run
better, faster, and are more secure (well, that's what they tell us anyhow -
there's a number of people who will argue with that and I expect that they
may have valid points but I'm just repeating what I've read and trying to
justify it for you) operating systems.

Eventually, during your life, you had to buy a new car when your old one
became too old. Did you wait until it broke down and then walk to the
nearest dealership or did you buy a new one when you found out that the old
one was aging to the point where there was going to be a problem in the near
future? If you waited then please skip that analogy But, I hope, that you
get my point.

However, the flip side of the coin is that you'll most certainly be able to
continue using 98. There just won't be any updates for it from Microsoft as
far as I know. Just as you could keep your old car running but it required a
bit of extra work and attention you'll be able to keep 98 running but you'll
want to pay attention to the different forums and to the latest security
threats. The price of computers has dropped quite a bit over the past few
years and a new computer (you can use your old monitor and keyboard and
other devices more than likely) will cost you probably less than 1/3 of what
you paid for your current system. Computers, like anything else, eventually
need to be laid to rest and new ones purchased if you wish to remain
current. Otherwise, you'll still be able to use 98 on your system - it's not
going to suddenly fail on you after this whole time - you're just not going
to get updates from Microsoft for it.

Galen
--

"My mind rebels at stagnation. Give me problems, give me work, give me
the most abstruse cryptogram or the most intricate analysis, and I am
in my own proper atmosphere. I can dispense then with artificial
stimulants. But I abhor the dull routine of existence. I crave for
mental exaltation." -- Sherlock Holmes

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Murphil wrote:
> What's going to happen to Win98 users when Microsoft no longer supports Win98
> after this June!? What exactly will it mean to casual users like me? Are we
> going to be abandoned?
>
> I have Win98 on a PII machine, and it continues to run beautifully for my
> high speed Internet and multimedia work. To me it would be a real shame if it
> suddenly became obsolete through the simple stroke of Bill Gates' pen. My
> preference would be to continue using Win98 until my PC actually died,
> especially since I'm a pensioner who can't afford frequent jumps from one
> level of technology to the next "flavour of the month" that I won't ever need
> or use if I live to be 150.
>
> Does anyone know of any possible work-arounds or other user-community
> strategies so that some of us may continue in the future to rely on Win98 for
> safe and secure Internet and multimedia work? Is there anyone out there who
> could please "set me straight" on this issue?
> --
> Tx ... Murphil

"Don't worry, be happy!"
If, as you say, you are "pensioner" just take a slow look around your
room and notice the plethora of objects, serving you beautifuly, whose
manufacturers are "no more with us".
And BTW how much of the manufacturers "crutches" you use in everyday
usage of the "tool".
I use Win98 for "donkeys ears" and never had to relay on direct support
of Redmont.
So till 150, don't worry, this and other groups like it are still active
so "help is on the way".

All the best

Stanislaw
Slack user from Ulladulla.

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On 3/3/05 11:29 PM India Time, _Murphil_ wrote:

> What's going to happen to Win98 users when Microsoft no longer supports Win98
> after this June!? What exactly will it mean to casual users like me? Are we
> going to be abandoned?
>
> I have Win98 on a PII machine, and it continues to run beautifully for my
> high speed Internet and multimedia work. To me it would be a real shame if it
> suddenly became obsolete through the simple stroke of Bill Gates' pen. My
> preference would be to continue using Win98 until my PC actually died,
> especially since I'm a pensioner who can't afford frequent jumps from one
> level of technology to the next "flavour of the month" that I won't ever need
> or use if I live to be 150.
>
> Does anyone know of any possible work-arounds or other user-community
> strategies so that some of us may continue in the future to rely on Win98 for
> safe and secure Internet and multimedia work? Is there anyone out there who
> could please "set me straight" on this issue?
> --
> Tx ... Murphil

Dear Murphil Sir,

Rest assured, win98 on your pc will keep on working till
eternity.

Only microsoft will not provide any support, any security
patches, any updates, any info on win98.

Rest of the world will provide you support.

just curious. After you bought win98 CD, what support did
you recieve from microsoft? did you download any software,
any patches, any updates from microsoft? did you ever
contact microsoft call centre or customer care or tech support?

My answer is no for everything above. I installed win98SE
and used it only with non-ms support.

If your answer also is no, and you continued using win98,
that is the way it will remain.

For example, I think they should continue this newsgroup on
their server even after official expiring win98. They are
only providing server space and traffic facilities,
otherwise it is only individual helpers who are contributing
to this ng, they are not ms employees.

So there, such people will continue to provide support here,
or even if it is closed, to some other ng or other mailing list.

Have no worry, sir. You will not be affected the slightest.

And everybody agrees that win98 is the most reliable and
most stable of os that microsoft has ever produced. so it
will have least problems.

---
Just a clarification:

You have apprehensions, sir, that switching to a different
os (say, xp) might mean changing your pc.

My guess is (I request veterans to confirm or clarify) if
you switch to some other operating system (say, xp) you will
not need to change anything at all on your current pc. You
can install that o.s. on your current pc, and at worst, it
will run a bit slower.

So, have no worry, dear sir, that you will be made to spend
huge amount to upgrage or change your pc. You can continue
using that for ever.

Still, I would recommend that you get and install xp on it.
Just the software won't cost much, and it has its benefit of
making things easier for you. It will take a day or two to
learn some differences, but things will be faster, and
easier then onwards.

When Mr Gates has visualised and presented win98 that you
love so much, rely on his further offerrings to make the
world a better place for you only, sir.

--
Rawat

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Murphil wrote:
> What's going to happen to Win98 users when Microsoft no longer supports
> Win98 after this June!? What exactly will it mean to casual users like
me? Are
> we going to be abandoned?

Yeah. We're all going to die.

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All Win98 users will outlive all XP users who already have begun to fry
in the radiation of it. Resolve to live long enough for Longhorn, is
all! That's what me 'n Colorado are doing!

--
Thanks or Good Luck,
There may be humor in this post, and,
Naturally, you will not sue,
should things get worse after this,
PCR
pcrrcp@netzero.net
"Murphil" <Murphil@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:F654C1C2-0436-4775-A413-07BC076D8804@microsoft.com...
| What's going to happen to Win98 users when Microsoft no longer
supports Win98
| after this June!? What exactly will it mean to casual users like me?
Are we
| going to be abandoned?
|
| I have Win98 on a PII machine, and it continues to run beautifully for
my
| high speed Internet and multimedia work. To me it would be a real
shame if it
| suddenly became obsolete through the simple stroke of Bill Gates' pen.
My
| preference would be to continue using Win98 until my PC actually died,
| especially since I'm a pensioner who can't afford frequent jumps from
one
| level of technology to the next "flavour of the month" that I won't
ever need
| or use if I live to be 150.
|
| Does anyone know of any possible work-arounds or other user-community
| strategies so that some of us may continue in the future to rely on
Win98 for
| safe and secure Internet and multimedia work? Is there anyone out
there who
| could please "set me straight" on this issue?
| --
| Tx ... Murphil

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Actually, you get better support here that you would at MS.

"Bill in Co." <someone@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:eLzsq5DIFHA.3196@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> Murphil wrote:
>> What's going to happen to Win98 users when Microsoft no longer supports
>> Win98 after this June!? What exactly will it mean to casual users like
> me? Are
>> we going to be abandoned?
>
> Yeah. We're all going to die.
>
>
>

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V S Rawat wrote:
> On 3/3/05 11:29 PM India Time, _Murphil_ wrote:
>

>
> For example, I think they should continue this newsgroup on
> their server even after official expiring win98. They are
> only providing server space and traffic facilities,
> otherwise it is only individual helpers who are contributing
> to this ng, they are not ms employees.
>
>

If Microsoft won't pay for the servers Linux will.

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This *is* MS, <sg>.

--
Gary S. Terhune
MS MVP Shell/User
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm

"Richard Goh" <me@mailinator.com> wrote in message
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> Actually, you get better support here that you would at MS.
>

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Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions. You all make me feel much
better now.

I get what you mean regarding the car analogies. Like everyone else, I too
"trade up" when I think it's time. However, my personal philosophy in recent
years has been to keep my cars longer than most (until trade-in value is
virually zero), which probably explains my approach to my computer. I know
I'll eventually have to ugrade, but maybe I'll just wait for "the son of P4"
and "the son of XP". In fact, I'll probably wait even a little longer after
that for the break-in period to end, after the initial bugs have been ironed
out.

Regarding the suggestion that I replace Win98 with XP, I recently explored
this with the tech guys at Future Shop. They advised against it, saying I
wouldn't be happy with the performance because my IBM Aptiva is only a PII. I
think maybe they were just trying to sell me a new P4. I'm glad that I didn't
take the bait, at least not yet anyway; because, you've all convinced me that
this discussion group is likely to be around for a long time to continue
helping souls like me who insist on hanging on to their Win98s.

I've only been using this discussion group about a week now, but already I'm
sensing a real "brotherhood" here. You are all very upbeat and reassuring. I
look forward to continued contact with this group.

Tx ... Murphil



"PCR" wrote:

> All Win98 users will outlive all XP users who already have begun to fry
> in the radiation of it. Resolve to live long enough for Longhorn, is
> all! That's what me 'n Colorado are doing!
>
> --
> Thanks or Good Luck,
> There may be humor in this post, and,
> Naturally, you will not sue,
> should things get worse after this,
> PCR
> pcrrcp@netzero.net
> "Murphil" <Murphil@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:F654C1C2-0436-4775-A413-07BC076D8804@microsoft.com...
> | What's going to happen to Win98 users when Microsoft no longer
> supports Win98
> | after this June!? What exactly will it mean to casual users like me?
> Are we
> | going to be abandoned?
> |
> | I have Win98 on a PII machine, and it continues to run beautifully for
> my
> | high speed Internet and multimedia work. To me it would be a real
> shame if it
> | suddenly became obsolete through the simple stroke of Bill Gates' pen.
> My
> | preference would be to continue using Win98 until my PC actually died,
> | especially since I'm a pensioner who can't afford frequent jumps from
> one
> | level of technology to the next "flavour of the month" that I won't
> ever need
> | or use if I live to be 150.
> |
> | Does anyone know of any possible work-arounds or other user-community
> | strategies so that some of us may continue in the future to rely on
> Win98 for
> | safe and secure Internet and multimedia work? Is there anyone out
> there who
> | could please "set me straight" on this issue?
> | --
> | Tx ... Murphil
>
>
>

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Well, it is their forum on their server, but the replies are certainly not from
MS....I know I am not getting a paycheck! ;-)
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Gary S. Terhune" <grystnews@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:emD8fNGIFHA.576@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl...
> This *is* MS, <sg>.
>
> --
> Gary S. Terhune
> MS MVP Shell/User
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/cleanboot.htm
> http://www.grystmill.com/articles/security.htm
>
> "Richard Goh" <me@mailinator.com> wrote in message
> news:%233BIaBEIFHA.276@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > Actually, you get better support here that you would at MS.
> >
>

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Murphil wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions. You all make me feel
> much better now.
>
> I get what you mean regarding the car analogies. Like everyone else, I too
> "trade up" when I think it's time. However, my personal philosophy in
recent
> years has been to keep my cars longer than most (until trade-in value is
> virually zero), which probably explains my approach to my computer.

My car is a 1988 Nissan. Which works great. The old stuff is still
good! (including Win98SE).

I like to recall FDR, and "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself."
I, for one, ain't worried about the waning 98SE support.

> I know
> I'll eventually have to ugrade, but maybe I'll just wait for "the son of
P4"
> and "the son of XP". In fact, I'll probably wait even a little longer
after
> that for the break-in period to end, after the initial bugs have been
ironed
> out.
>
> Regarding the suggestion that I replace Win98 with XP, I recently explored
> this with the tech guys at Future Shop. They advised against it, saying I
> wouldn't be happy with the performance because my IBM Aptiva is only a
PII. I
> think maybe they were just trying to sell me a new P4. I'm glad that I
didn't
> take the bait, at least not yet anyway; because, you've all convinced me
that
> this discussion group is likely to be around for a long time to continue
> helping souls like me who insist on hanging on to their Win98s.

Unless you have a newer machine, that's probably damn good advice. Stick
with Win98SE (or if you must, buy a new computer with XP already on it).
But why?

5 or 10 years from now - that may be a different story. :-)

> I've only been using this discussion group about a week now, but already
I'm
> sensing a real "brotherhood" here. You are all very upbeat and reassuring.
I
> look forward to continued contact with this group.
>
> Tx ... Murphil
>
>
>
> "PCR" wrote:
>
>> All Win98 users will outlive all XP users who already have begun to fry
>> in the radiation of it. Resolve to live long enough for Longhorn, is
>> all! That's what me 'n Colorado are doing!
>>
>> --
>> Thanks or Good Luck,
>> There may be humor in this post, and,
>> Naturally, you will not sue,
>> should things get worse after this,
>> PCR
>> pcrrcp@netzero.net
>> "Murphil" <Murphil@discussions.microsoft